Good News in the fight for 15.

[paulitician]

This may backfire on Wendys. Many Americans aren't gonna appreciate it eliminating American jobs. Many will stop eating there. And also, never estimate how fat, greedy, and lazy most Americans are. They feel entitled, they want the service.

Now they'll be doing the work themselves. Moving towards self-serve service is gonna be a bitter pill to swallow for most fat lazy Americans. So calm down greedy white Republican dude, don't go celebrating this too much just yet.

The faster you get the humans out taking my order and making my burger, the better.

Cool, that's likely gonna be happening soon. But don't think that's gonna benefit America in any way. More Americans out of work isn't anything to celebrate. In fact, we'll all pay much more for that in the end.

When we switched from horse and buggy to automobiles, did that benefit America?

Hard on horse and buggy people doesn't mean bad for America. The nation wasn't founded as a safe space for fast food workers.

And capitalism make so damn much money because it is dedicated to making a better mouse trap. A kiosk is a better cashier. It might just get my order right.

BTW, if my mouse trap is better, I put your workers out of business. That is how it works.

We'll see. I think going more self-serve is gonna be pretty hard for Fat America to accept. I mean, Americans are spoiled rotten for the most part. Stores and restaurants are cutting way back on staffing. Customers will be doing much of the work the workers used to do. And that isn't gonna sit well with Fat Entitled America. They're used to being catered to.

They're fat and entitled because they got all those participation ribbons in grade school. When I was growing up the teachers kicked our ass onto the field and we were all skinny

I hear ya. Most Americans really are fat & spoiled rotten for the most part. Like i said, even Walmart customers feel entitled and demand being catered to. My relative who works in Management there, told me it's now under-staffing all of its stores. He told me customers are completely shocked that there's so few workers there to help and cater to them. He has to listen to bitter complainers all day.

Customers are realizing they they're gonna be doing the work that workers used to do for them. And they're not accepting that new reality too well. They're outraged. Some are ok with things being more self-serve, but most aren't. They're Americans dammit! They feel they're entitled to everything. So this new self-serve world is gonna be very difficult for Fat Entitled America to get used to.

 

[Slade3200]

7.25 might work for a highschool student working a summer job, but for anybody trying to make a living or raise a family, that is a joke and there are many many people who are in that position. How can you feel right about that?

I think they are stupid. Used to be you waited until you could afford a house and family noiw idiots think they are entitled to it. Liberalism harms the economy and liberals think more of the same will fix it.

I'm not talking about buying a house... What can you do with 7.25 an hour?? At 40 hours a week $290 and 50 weeks a year, that's $14,500... I doubt that would even cover rent and utilities in most places, let alone food, and basic living costs.

 

[paulitician]

When we switched from horse and buggy to automobiles, did that benefit America?

Hard on horse and buggy people doesn't mean bad for America. The nation wasn't founded as a safe space for fast food workers.

the government didnt force us to switch to automobiles, it happened on its own gradually. If they had made a decree that we all give up our horses and buggys and drive cars, it would have been a clusterfuck. Like we are going to have now, that the government is pretending to know economics

The government forced Wendy's to spend years developing their self-ordering and payment system? B period, S period.

That was always going to happen. It should have happened long ago. We want fast food, not time dealing with some moron who can't figure out how to make change.

No, but they want to force 15 $ minimumm wage. See now, they are pretending to care about the workers at the bottom, but what this is really about is union wages and perks for the Union bosses, the worst of which would be those union jobs paid for by tax payer dollars. as the minimum wage goes up , so goes Union wages.

Hillary doesnt seem concerned that a lot of the lower wage workers will be layed off their jobs while even more unskilled immigrants are coming to the country. If they were concerned they should try Growing the economy First.
What they will be attempting in California will be a Pull Back in economic growth when more businesses leave the state or scale back operations.

Its just too much too soon, IMHO

The number of jobs that do not pay a living wage, should be too few to count.

theres a lot of businesses that need to bring people in at theh bottom and train them slowly, doing menial things at first. Maybe a body shop for example. If you start everyone at 15, the owner is going to cut the kid a lot less slack and he'll probably only be able to hire one person instead of two. whats actually going to happen is , in the name of making life better for everyone, life is going to be made harder for everyone. there are also older seniors who cant move around very well, but once in a while you see them go out and get some little side job to supplement their income, put a little extra food on the table? You can just kick all that out the door now. No one is going to hire them for 15 bucks an hour. not everyone can work that hard. Again, they will make life worse for people by screwing with the economy artificially. A slight increase might be absorbed better but this will be drastic. its not just the extra 7 or so dollars an hour that cost an employer , there are other related costs that also go up for each employee as the wage goes up

Valid points, but we should all agree that the current U.S. Minimum Wage is a dismal embarrassment. The rest of the world is shocked that the richest nation on earth treats its People so poorly.

 

[Slade3200]

Only an idiot would think the move to automation has anything to do with wages.

Evidently you didn't read the articles as to WHY Wendy's is going to kiosks.

Wendy's has placed an increasing emphasis on tech as wages have begun rising in regions across the country. Last year, the company opened a technology and innovation center called 90° Labs in Ohio, which it said would be used to "develop differentiating, interactive digital experiences for our customers, employees and franchise system."

Other restaurants are making similar moves to combat rising wages. McDonald's is testing self-serve kiosks in some of its stores, which CEO Steve Easterbrook called "progress" in the company's most recent earnings call. Some have speculated that the greater use of tablets — and even robots — could also be on the horizon. Other restaurants, like Shake Shack, are choosing instead to offset higher-wages the old-fashioned way: by raising prices.

Wendy's Turns to Self-Serve Kiosks to Offset Higher Labor Costs

That is BS plain and simple, they are politicizing the issue. Businesses are always looking at ways to cut costs and increase efficiency. Are the self service checkout lines we see in grocery stores and Home Depot a result of wage regulations? No, they provide a convenient technology and a high tech service to their customers and saves the business money on labor... Even if wages were $5 an hour businesses would still be exploring and implementing tech into their businesses.

 

[Slade3200]

Heaven forbid if the owners and execs of Wendy's have to lose a point out of their profit share.

Again, you live in a fantasy where Scrooge McDuck swims in a pool of gold coins.

You have no grasp of reality.

rices wouldn't go to $12 a burger because they need to remain competitive im their market.

So they will happily lose money. Figuring that losing a couple of bucks per order will even out, they can make it up with volume, right?

Fast food companies like in and out have shown that they can run a successful business model while taking good care of their employees.

Interesting note that even In&Out was stung by the California hike. Though already starting at a relative high way, $9.60, the jump to $10.50 (and eventually to $15) punishes the Seasoned workers the most. Those who have worked hard for raises are now at minimum. Perhaps the biggest problem is that In&Out workers now make no more than those at Taco Bell or McDonalds. The incentive to work in the high productivity, high stress environment of In&Out has been destroyed.

We are the USA,

But you're working hard to turn it into the USSR.

we hold our country and businesses to higher standards which means we don't allow child labor, sweatshops or companies to pay their employees wages that keeps them under poverty level.

I'd think getting more people on a livable wage and off of welfare would be of interest to you.

The problem is that you are abjectly ignorant. You have no grasp at all of the concepts at play. You don't know what marginal contribution is, no doubt you think EBIT is a cockney wrestler....

Well thank you for calling me ignorant and defining for me what I know and don't know in the most arrogant of ways. Reread you post to me and see how much of a dipshit you are please.
I've started 6 companies in my lifetime and am very familiar with company operations at all levels. Don't lecture me with your half cocked theories and don't dictate to me what I know and don't know. I've stated before that I think $15 is too high for a nationwide mandate and think each state should be left to set the minimum that is appropriate for their SOL. $7.25 is a joke and I would support a $10-$12 an hour minimum wage as a national base and let the states that want $15 take it from there.

Your regurgitated talking points are full of flaws. You act like you are trying to protect the workers but what you are really doing is sticking up for the richies at the top.
With smart budgeting and tweaking their business plan they can easily increase the wages they pay their workers. Competition forces companies to do this all the time. This is not much different.

So mr. Know it all I have started six businesses, tell us how a small business with maybe a few employees and a small profit margin is going to meet the expectations of a fifteen dollar an hour wage? Should the owner work for nothing?

Small business is a tough situation. I'd say if wages are below minimum standards, which they mostly are in the start up phase, then workers would receive a profit share, equity, or bonus plan. I never claimed to know it all, but I get tired of dumbshits in this forum calling me ignorant while they spout off mindless talking points. I listen to everybody's ideas objectively.

And yes, as a biz owner I've worked many years for no pay

If you have worked as a business owner for "many years" for no pay you are a seriously one of the stupidest people ever to be born.

I'd say the majority of start ups are founded on sweat equity, funny you call me stupid while making a completely ignorant statement.

 

[paulitician]

This may backfire on Wendys. Many Americans aren't gonna appreciate it eliminating American jobs. Many will stop eating there. And also, never estimate how fat, greedy, and lazy most Americans are. They feel entitled, they want the service.

Now they'll be doing the work themselves. Moving towards self-serve service is gonna be a bitter pill to swallow for most fat lazy Americans. So calm down greedy white Republican dude, don't go celebrating this too much just yet.

Who's celebrating it?

The point here to the chagrin of the minimum wage pushers is that there is a price to pay when you attack industry. Everybody on the left thinks that when you increase costs to a manufacturer or service outlet, they simply dig deeper in their pockets.

There is no truth to that because automation has been happening in manufacturing for decades, it's just that few knew about it.

As for fat lazy Americans, those fat lazy Americans will do anything for a cheaper price. I remember when this started with self-serve gasoline pumps. The idea was for the garages to keep their mechanics working on cars instead of pumping gas for customers. They all started off with perhaps one pump. As that pump became increasingly popular, they added another self-serve pump, then another one.

It didn't take long before all gas stations were self-serve. Now they are doing the same in grocery stores and places like Sam's Club.

Ah, i admit i'm pretty lazy. I don't mind placing my order with a person and letting them do the computer work. Hell, i'll even pay more for my food if i have to. Let em make a decent livng. I don't go to stores and restaurants to work. I'll gladly pay workers more to do the work for me.

But those days are quickly passing. Most stores and restaurants are now hiring less and putting less staff on duty. So fat lazy America should just quit bitchin about 'Bad Service.' Because soon, there won't be many workers around to blame for it. Fat America will be doing the work itself. They'll only have themselves to blame for 'Bad Service.' No more whipping boy workers to beat up on.

So you agree. By raising the minimum wage all that is happening is more people will be out of work!
Brilliant planning on the part of economic idiots!
See there was more being done then just paying the vast majority of the 2.5 million minimum wage earners money.
These people were mostly entry level positions that required two attributes:
1) Be at work every day. 2) be on time every day!
Once employees have that basic fundamental business requirement... then they are good to go for the next step in skill acquisitions.

Welcome to the self-serve service world. No more blaming everything on poor struggling workers. No more bitchin & moanin about 'Bad Service.' Now you get to do the work yourselves.

Get rid of the workers and watch the customers do the work for free. Nice Win-Win for Businesses, huh? But hey, you greedy hateful folks wanted it, now you got it. Get your asses to work. Enjoy.

 

[Slade3200]

This may backfire on Wendys. Many Americans aren't gonna appreciate it eliminating American jobs. Many will stop eating there. And also, never estimate how fat, greedy, and lazy most Americans are. They feel entitled, they want the service.

Now they'll be doing the work themselves. Moving towards self-serve service is gonna be a bitter pill to swallow for most fat lazy Americans. So calm down greedy white Republican dude, don't go celebrating this too much just yet.

Ya, just like "many Americans" aren't going to buy a jacket made in China from WalMart right?
You really need to wise up pal. "Many Americans" are going to continue to go were the burger is the cheapest. That means going to FF outlets with robot burger makers in the back.

Well you can't raise wages and bring jobs back to America, and crack down on our trade deals without pricing for consumer goods going up.... There is a cause and effect so which is it that you want? Shitty trade deals and companies going over seas for low prices on goods ... Or ... More jobs and higher wages in America with higher pricing for goods???

This is basic economics... If you see it working a different way then please lay out the plan

 

[paulitician]

This may backfire on Wendys. Many Americans aren't gonna appreciate it eliminating American jobs. Many will stop eating there. And also, never estimate how fat, greedy, and lazy most Americans are. They feel entitled, they want the service.

Now they'll be doing the work themselves. Moving towards self-serve service is gonna be a bitter pill to swallow for most fat lazy Americans. So calm down greedy white Republican dude, don't go celebrating this too much just yet.

Ya, just like "many Americans" aren't going to buy a jacket made in China from WalMart right?
You really need to wise up pal. "Many Americans" are going to continue to go were the burger is the cheapest. That means going to FF outlets with robot burger makers in the back.

I'd still rather place my order with a person and let them work the computer. I'm not there to think or work. I'm there to just eat and relax. I don't mind paying more for it. I'm fine with a fast food worker making a liveable wage. I care about my fellow Americans.

 

[Uncensored2008]

speed ... name ONE wendys that pays 15 an hour ... just ONE !

The one's in California pay $10.50, with a scale to $15 over the next few years.
I know that leftists have no concept of business, but if you double the cost of labor, it will impact price. Selling price is computed from cost + margin. If costs go up, the price goes up.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Do you really think 7.25 is a fair wage?

For what? Quantum research? No. Flipping burgers? Yes.

What leftists cannot grasp is that currency has no intrinsic value. Pay burger flipper a million dollars an hour and in short order a million dollars will have the purchasing power of $7.25. This is because the value of the work the that the burger flipper does did not increase based on arbitrary mandates of government.

As always, the middle who has wealth in currency will see their wealth eroded while the elite who have wealth in real property will be unaffected.

The goal of the left is to crush the life out of the middle class. Mass increases in minimum wage are one of the most effective ways of stripping real wealth away from the middle. Make the purchasing power of the middle sharply decline through arbitrary increases in the wages of unskilled labor.

The wages of the unskilled with double, while the wages of the middle will remain static. Prices will rise to create equilibrium and the purchasing power of the middle will once again decline.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'd still rather place my order with a person and let them work the computer. I'm not there to think or work. I'm there to just eat and relax. I don't mind paying more for it. I'm fine with a fast food worker making a liveable wage. I care about my fellow Americans.

You'd rather sit around smoking your bong and have your mom bring you sandwiches in the basement. But that isn't relevant to the cost of labor and marginal contribution that sets product prices in fast food.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Do you really think 7.25 is a fair wage?

For what? Quantum research? No. Flipping burgers? Yes.

What leftists cannot grasp is that currency has no intrinsic value. Pay burger flipper a million dollars an hour and in short order a million dollars will have the purchasing power of $7.25. This is because the value of the work the that the burger flipper does did not increase based on arbitrary mandates of government.

As always, the middle who has wealth in currency will see their wealth eroded while the elite who have wealth in real property will be unaffected.

The goal of the left is to crush the life out of the middle class. Mass increases in minimum wage are one of the most effective ways of stripping real wealth away from the middle. Make the purchasing power of the middle sharply decline through arbitrary increases in the wages of unskilled labor.

The wages of the unskilled with double, while the wages of the middle will remain static. Prices will rise to create equilibrium and the purchasing power of the middle will once again decline.

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Too true , too true.

But , there is a balancing point, a minimum wage that both pays a fair wage for what are mostly menial jobs and doesn't upset the equilibrium of the economy.

Since the minimum wage is currently 78% of what is was through the 60s and 70s we KNOW that we can raise it at least 22% without upsetting the equilibrium. In point of fact, the current minimum wage is worth 64% of what it was worth in 1968, meaning a 36% increase is feasible. So let's just say $10 an hour and then tie it directly to inflation and be done with it. You would NEVER have to listen to this argument again.

Why are people so binary thinking? "$15 an hour is too much, so we won't support ANY raise" fucking morons.

 

[Slade3200]

Do you really think 7.25 is a fair wage?

For what? Quantum research? No. Flipping burgers? Yes.

What leftists cannot grasp is that currency has no intrinsic value. Pay burger flipper a million dollars an hour and in short order a million dollars will have the purchasing power of $7.25. This is because the value of the work the that the burger flipper does did not increase based on arbitrary mandates of government.

As always, the middle who has wealth in currency will see their wealth eroded while the elite who have wealth in real property will be unaffected.

The goal of the left is to crush the life out of the middle class. Mass increases in minimum wage are one of the most effective ways of stripping real wealth away from the middle. Make the purchasing power of the middle sharply decline through arbitrary increases in the wages of unskilled labor.

The wages of the unskilled with double, while the wages of the middle will remain static. Prices will rise to create equilibrium and the purchasing power of the middle will once again decline.

Two separate issues... Of course wages for the middle class need to go up, but that is a different discussion. We are talking about providing a minimum standard to help our poor. I just broke down what $7.25 an hour is... $290 a week, $14,500 a year. I don't care if you are flipping burgers or digging trenches, that is not a wage that anybody can support themselves or their family with. With that wage we the tax payers pick up the slack.
You may say "then get another job" but when there are millions that are unemployed and demand far outweighs supply then not everybody has that luxury. And in this country if you want to do business then you need to provide a minimum set of standards for your employees. $7.25 an hour is far below that standard... I've said this many times, $10-$12 an hour is where we should be and I really don't understand why yall are fighting it so hard. It's common sense.

 

[paulitician]

I'd still rather place my order with a person and let them work the computer. I'm not there to think or work. I'm there to just eat and relax. I don't mind paying more for it. I'm fine with a fast food worker making a liveable wage. I care about my fellow Americans.

You'd rather sit around smoking your bong and have your mom bring you sandwiches in the basement. But that isn't relevant to the cost of labor and marginal contribution that sets product prices in fast food.

Aw, stop being an angry greedy white Republian dude. Open your heart and mind. These folks are our fellow Americans.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Too true , too true.

But , there is a balancing point, a minimum wage that both pays a fair wage for what are mostly menial jobs and doesn't upset the equilibrium of the economy.

Since the minimum wage is currently 78% of what is was through the 60s and 70s we KNOW that we can raise it at least 22% without upsetting the equilibrium. In point of fact, the current minimum wage is worth 64% of what it was worth in 1968, meaning a 36% increase is feasible. So let's just say $10 an hour and then tie it directly to inflation and be done with it. You would NEVER have to listen to this argument again.

Why are people so binary thinking? "$15 an hour is too much, so we won't support ANY raise" fucking morons.

The number of workers at minimum is at historic lows, which indicates that market mechanisms already address the pay question. (Plenty of graphs have been posted in this thread showing this.) Minimum wage is not meant to be a "living wage" to raise a family on. It is the wage paid to the lowest skilled workers in the pool.

 

[healthmyths]

Well thank you for calling me ignorant and defining for me what I know and don't know in the most arrogant of ways. Reread you post to me and see how much of a dipshit you are please.
I've started 6 companies in my lifetime and am very familiar with company operations at all levels. Don't lecture me with your half cocked theories and don't dictate to me what I know and don't know. I've stated before that I think $15 is too high for a nationwide mandate and think each state should be left to set the minimum that is appropriate for their SOL. $7.25 is a joke and I would support a $10-$12 an hour minimum wage as a national base and let the states that want $15 take it from there.

Your regurgitated talking points are full of flaws. You act like you are trying to protect the workers but what you are really doing is sticking up for the richies at the top.
With smart budgeting and tweaking their business plan they can easily increase the wages they pay their workers. Competition forces companies to do this all the time. This is not much different.

So mr. Know it all I have started six businesses, tell us how a small business with maybe a few employees and a small profit margin is going to meet the expectations of a fifteen dollar an hour wage? Should the owner work for nothing?

Small business is a tough situation. I'd say if wages are below minimum standards, which they mostly are in the start up phase, then workers would receive a profit share, equity, or bonus plan. I never claimed to know it all, but I get tired of dumbshits in this forum calling me ignorant while they spout off mindless talking points. I listen to everybody's ideas objectively.

And yes, as a biz owner I've worked many years for no pay

If you have worked as a business owner for "many years" for no pay you are a seriously one of the stupidest people ever to be born.

No stupid. I asked the question "What do you expect small business to do? Work without profit?"

If you can't afford $10-11 an hour for an employee, you need to ask yourself if you NEED that employee.

Ergo.. Wendy's auto service kiosks!
After strikes and the demand that the minimum wage be raised to $15/hour, fast food chains have decided that instead of paying someone $15 to push buttons with pictures of food on them, it would be much more cost effective for companies to just roll out self-service kiosks that they can pay $0.00 an hour without benefits so customers can push buttons with pictures of food themselves.

Problem solved.
Real Minimum Wage Is $0: Wendy's to Roll out Idiocracy-Style Self-Service Kiosks This Year | The Daily Sheeple

 

[Uncensored2008]

Two separate issues... Of course wages for the middle class need to go up, but that is a different
discussion.

Again, the PURPOSE of the $15 MW is to erode the purchasing power of the middle. This is simply part of the war that democrats are waging on the middle class.

To all those who rose to $30K, you are now in poverty, thanks to the democrats. That boot to your face pushing you down to minimum, yeah, that's the left stomping you off the ladder of success.

We are talking about providing a minimum standard to help our poor.

Well, Mexico's poor at any rate.

I just broke down what $7.25 an hour is... $290 a week, $14,500 a year. I don't care if you are flipping burgers or digging trenches, that is not a wage that anybody can support themselves or their family with.

Nor is it meant to be. It is the wage paid to high school students and entry level workers.

With that wage we the tax payers pick up the slack.

Only with illegal aliens. High school kids live at home and are just making some extra money.

You may say "then get another job" but when there are millions that are unemployed and demand far outweighs supply then not everybody has that luxury. And in this country if you want to do business then you need to provide a minimum set of standards for your employees. $7.25 an hour is far below that standard... I've said this many times, $10-$12 an hour is where we should be and I really don't understand why yall are fighting it so hard. It's common sense.

Minimum wage is not for raising a family. Nor should unskilled labor be the basis for raising a family.

 

[Slade3200]

Too true , too true.

But , there is a balancing point, a minimum wage that both pays a fair wage for what are mostly menial jobs and doesn't upset the equilibrium of the economy.

Since the minimum wage is currently 78% of what is was through the 60s and 70s we KNOW that we can raise it at least 22% without upsetting the equilibrium. In point of fact, the current minimum wage is worth 64% of what it was worth in 1968, meaning a 36% increase is feasible. So let's just say $10 an hour and then tie it directly to inflation and be done with it. You would NEVER have to listen to this argument again.

Why are people so binary thinking? "$15 an hour is too much, so we won't support ANY raise" fucking morons.

The number of workers at minimum is at historic lows, which indicates that market mechanisms already address the pay question. (Plenty of graphs have been posted in this thread showing this.) Minimum wage is not meant to be a "living wage" to raise a family on. It is the wage paid to the lowest skilled workers in the pool.

Charts have also been posted showing how many people are being paid the minimum wage and many are trying to support themselves or their families on it. So the tax payers pick up the slack. Many states have been responsible and upped their minimum to a more realistic standard. I still think this should be the case, but there shouldn't be this much resistance for the Feds to set a national standard at $10-$12 and letting the states take it from there.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Aw, stop being an angry greedy white Republian dude. Open your heart and mind. These folks are our fellow Americans.

Well that explains why they speak Spanish and wave Mexican flags.

Stop being a greedy commie demanding something for nothing.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Too true , too true.

But , there is a balancing point, a minimum wage that both pays a fair wage for what are mostly menial jobs and doesn't upset the equilibrium of the economy.

Since the minimum wage is currently 78% of what is was through the 60s and 70s we KNOW that we can raise it at least 22% without upsetting the equilibrium. In point of fact, the current minimum wage is worth 64% of what it was worth in 1968, meaning a 36% increase is feasible. So let's just say $10 an hour and then tie it directly to inflation and be done with it. You would NEVER have to listen to this argument again.

Why are people so binary thinking? "$15 an hour is too much, so we won't support ANY raise" fucking morons.

The number of workers at minimum is at historic lows, which indicates that market mechanisms already address the pay question. (Plenty of graphs have been posted in this thread showing this.) Minimum wage is not meant to be a "living wage" to raise a family on. It is the wage paid to the lowest skilled workers in the pool.

IF the number of workers at minimum wage is historically low, why would you care about a change? LOL partisans are so stupid.

How many people are under $11 an hour.