GOP sure gets dumber by the moment

[Pauli007001]

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How many gays get terminated from work for being gay? Yeah, none. It is legislation geared to trial lawyers.
You really think fags aren't going to sue when they are let go? What reality do you live in again?
Flush this piece of crap legislation.

Girl I worked with was fired for being gay. She worked for this company for 14 years. Was promoted from assembly to line lead to quality inspector.

Then she showed up at the company holiday party with her life partner, who was wearing a man's suit just SO NO ONE MISSED THE POINT.

They fired her a month later.

Lets see here Joe.. When debating gun control you talk about a bullet that passed close by with a suicide. Healthcare you had some kind of real world experience as well. And now, someone you know has experienced issues being gay.

You hang in a strange crowd or?????

-Geaux

He also works for an insurance company that has an assembly line.........

 

[Seawytch]

Gadawg73, you seriously do not understand why this non-issue miraculously appeared right now?

seriously?

While it's obvious why the Dems brought it up, it's not a non issue to the people living in those 30 states where they can be fired simply for being gay.

Which states are those?

 

[Seawytch]

You mean why would the gay community not vote for people who villified them and denied them rights and instead vote for folks who've stuck up for them.

If Politics is about getting what you want, here's what Gays have gotten under Obama.

16 states now allow gay marriage.
DOMA- GONE!!!
DADT- GONE!!!

Discrimination against gays has passed the Senate. If the House grew a brain, they'd let it pass.

Boehner will not allow House members to go on record of being for it or against it

It's a breathless attempt by desperate Democrats to bring back their voters.

They need something to counter the ruin they're bringing upon us.

Nope. Has nothing to do with Dem voters and everything to do with another picture being painted of an out of touch House of Representatives. Of course, they couldn't paint the picture if the House GOP wasn't so out of touch and out of step.

Poll: Big support for anti-discrimination law

 

[Geaux4it]

While it's obvious why the Dems brought it up, it's not a non issue to the people living in those 30 states where they can be fired simply for being gay.

Which states are those?

Well, I can see why this would be bad for my business

-Geaux

 

[Seawytch]

Memo to Senate Republicans: Your constituents want you to vote for ENDA

 

[Gadawg73]

Amazing the ignorance of the hard right on law suits.
They believe that you just file suit and a jury awards a million dollars.
Workplace law suits are the absolute hardest just to get past summary judgment before a Federal Judge which is where these potential cases would be and getting a jury to award a verdict is extremely difficult as juror pools are made from voting lists and then voir dire allowsa striking potential seated jurors as the attorneys get to ask questions before picking and no attorney gets these cases unless they front all the expenses and then get a % as a contingency fee. Add in that if there WAS evidence of discrimination company lawyers see that and seek remedies fair to both parties.
Now tell me what attorney in their right mind takes these cases, much less the absurd claim that unemployed attorneys would as plaintiff cases take tens of thousands of dollars just to get to trial, if that attorney did not have SOLID evidence that there was discrimination based on sexual preference.
Yes, sorry about that folks as now you can not fire the blacks you don't want and now the gay folks you do not want.
But as usual there is always an excuse to accept discrimination of others as now gay folk are the new ******* and the only ones left to pick on.

 

[Seawytch]

5 People Who Were Fired for Being Gay, And The 29 States Where That Is Still Legal

1. Lisa Howe (Tennessee)
This former Belmont University soccer coach was fired in December 2010 after she came out to her soccer team that she is a lesbian and announced that she and her partner were expecting their first child. While the university’s official statement at first said that she had resigned, it was soon amended to say that the decision had been mutual, and that her continuing to work for Belmont would not be beneficial to her or the university. Demonstrators protested Howe’s termination, as she was a highly successful and popular coach, and they called for an official apology, which they never received. Although Belmont had terminated its ties with the Tennessee Baptist Church in 2007, chairman of Belmont’s board of trustees Marty Dickens told The Tennessean that, “We expect people to commit themselves to high moral and ethical standards within a Christian context.”

2. Vandy Beth Glenn (Georgia)
In 2005, Vandy Beth Glenn began working as the legislative editor of the Georgia General Assembly while still presenting as a man, Glenn Morrison. Glenn was fired in October 2007 for revealing to her supervisor that she planned to transition from male to female. Her boss, legislative counsel Sewell Brumby, allegedly told her that “her gender transition and presentation of herself as a woman would be seen as immoral, could not happen appropriately in the workplace in which Glenn worked and would make other employees uncomfortable.” This story has a happy ending, however: Glenn sued, and U.S. District Court Judge Story ruled that she was illegally fired based on sex discrimination. The judge ordered that she be compensated for wages during the appeals process. Finally, in December 2011, the appeals court ruled that she should be allowed to return to work.

3. Michael Carney (Massachusetts)
This police officer from Springfield, MA was one of the witnesses in the Congressional hearing on the Employee Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) after Congressmen Barney Frank (D-MA) and Richard Neil (D-MA) asked him to testify. He initially left his job as a police officer due to the stress of remaining closeted, but his former employers refused to hire him again after he came out. Carney fought for years to be allowed to work again, a battle that he eventually won. His success highlights the struggles others still face, as he pointed out to Midweek Politics when he said that if he “was a federal officer, or didn’t live in Massachusetts,” he probably wouldn’t have been allowed to continue working.

4. Jodi O’Brien (Wisconsin)
O’Brien, a sociology professor at Seattle University who is openly a lesbian and writes about sexuality, was originally offered a job as dean of one of Marquette University’s colleges. In May 2010, her offer was rescinded. The Roman Catholic and Jesuit-run University told the New York Times that she lacked “the ability to represent the Marquette mission and identity.” University President Rev. Robert A. Wild argued that the choice not to hire O’Brien wasn’t due to her sexuality, but rather to her academic writing, in which he found “strongly negative statements about marriage and family.” O’Brien has written extensively about the topic of gay marriage; if this isn’t discrimination based on sexual orientation, it’s certainly discrimination based on beliefs about sexual orientation. Is there a substantial difference between the two?

5. Peter TerVeer (District of Columbia)
This case is playing out as we speak. Until April 2012, TerVeer was a management analyst for the Library of Congress. He claims that he was harassed and fired because of his sexual orientation, and he has filed a discrimination complaint. WJLA reported that he received emails in 2009 from his boss referencing bible passages that speak against homosexuality, and that “he stated that as a homosexual I could never succeed because it was against God’s law.” The trouble apparently all started when TerVeer “liked” a page on Facebook called Two Dads.

 

[JoeB131]

State Sues Florist Who Refused Service to a Gay Wedding | Slog

In an unusual legal maneuver, Attorney General Bob Ferguson filed a consumer protection lawsuit today against a florist in Richland, Washington, who last month refused to provide flower arrangements for a same-sex wedding because of her "relationship with Jesus."

As The Stranger reported at the time, Arlene's Flowers owner Barronelle Stutzman told Robert Ingersoll and Curt Freed that she refused to do business with them—or "participate in the wedding," as she called it—because she believed as a Christian "that marriage is between a man and a woman."

Filed in Benton County Superior Court, the lawsuit (.pdf) alleges that when Stutzman refused to provide goods or services on the basis of sexual orientation in a place of public accommodation, she was violating the state's anti-discrimination law and was, therefore, also violating laws designed to protect consumers. As a business that sells wedding flowers to opposite-sex couples, the AG's office argues, it must provide the same wedding services to gay couples.

Not seeing a problem here.

This is settled law. You can't refuse to do business with someone because you don't like them.

A business is a public accommedation.

If she refused to sell flowers to an interracial couple because of her religious beliefs, would you take the same position?

If she refused to sell flowers to a neo Nazi would you support that? You can choose to do business with anyone you want, with certain exceptions. "We reserve the right" is often spelled out.

I think you can make a better case to not do business with a Nazi if you can honestly claim that you would be associated with their hateful beliefs. Just like print shops can refuse to run literature for candidates they don't agree with.

Sexual orientation falls more into line with race or religion on discrimination issues.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, I can see why this would be bad for my business

-Geaux

Yes, that would be bad for your business if he came in dressed like that.

But I would assume your business has a dress code and a code of conduct and rules about sexual harrassment that he'd be in violation of if he did.

 

[Gadawg73]

True patriots seek to protect the rights and freedoms of those they may despise the most.

 

[Geaux4it]

 

[JoeB131]

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You said you worked in insurance ?

Insurance underwriting is done on an assembly line?
You're a liar !!!
How many times have you been proven a liar?
Are you not ashamed?
Or are you proud to be a liar.
Your Obamacult demands you be more like the obamessiah.
So you lie , religiously!

No, I did NOT say I worked in insurance.

I said that the insurance company that underwrote my company at my last job (a packaging distributor) insisted that the company fire people who had serious medical issues. Which I had in 2007.

Seriously, Double Wide, if your reading comprehension is this low, I just don't know what do do for you.

 

[Gadawg73]

One only has to look at the politics of the left to see how this fucks the GOP.
First Obama was against gays in the military and gay marriage.
Then he was for it.
And he will serve 8 years as President and GOP stands to lose the House seats next year.
Imagine the horror show if the scare crow hundred million dollar insider trader dementia laden Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker of the house.
But the hard right could care less about that. Picking on gay folk is much easier sport and hey now, The Bible says gays are an abomination and shrimp cocktails are sinful.

 

[JoeB131]

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How many gays get terminated from work for being gay? Yeah, none. It is legislation geared to trial lawyers.
You really think fags aren't going to sue when they are let go? What reality do you live in again?
Flush this piece of crap legislation.

Girl I worked with was fired for being gay. She worked for this company for 14 years. Was promoted from assembly to line lead to quality inspector.

Then she showed up at the company holiday party with her life partner, who was wearing a man's suit just SO NO ONE MISSED THE POINT.

They fired her a month later.

Lets see here Joe.. When debating gun control you talk about a bullet that passed close by with a suicide. Healthcare you had some kind of real world experience as well. And now, someone you know has experienced issues being gay.

You hang in a strange crowd or?????

-Geaux

You mean that I know some of the 10% of the population that is gay, the 25% of people who have had issues with bad insurance, or the percentage of people who know of someone who committed suicide?

I think that's called life. Move out of the basement and experience it.

 

[Geaux4it]

Well, I can see why this would be bad for my business

-Geaux

Yes, that would be bad for your business if he came in dressed like that.

But I would assume your business has a dress code and a code of conduct and rules about sexual harrassment that he'd be in violation of if he did.

So its a lifestyle and not 'who they are'?

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

Good luck with that when you get hit with a lawsuit...

Not sure why you'd turn down money in general.

 

[JoeB131]

One only has to look at the politics of the left to see how this fucks the GOP.
First Obama was against gays in the military and gay marriage.
Then he was for it.
And he will serve 8 years as President and GOP stands to lose the House seats next year.
Imagine the horror show if the scare crow hundred million dollar insider trader dementia laden Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker of the house.
But the hard right could care less about that. Picking on gay folk is much easier sport and hey now, The Bible says gays are an abomination and shrimp cocktails are sinful.

Again, picking on the gays is how Bush won in 2004.

Kind of like George Wallace enjoyed a national career in the 1960's just before there was a tipping point on racial issues.

Probably going to take a few election cycles before this dog won't hunt.

 

[mudwhistle]

One only has to look at the politics of the left to see how this fucks the GOP.
First Obama was against gays in the military and gay marriage.
Then he was for it.
And he will serve 8 years as President and GOP stands to lose the House seats next year.
Imagine the horror show if the scare crow hundred million dollar insider trader dementia laden Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker of the house.
But the hard right could care less about that. Picking on gay folk is much easier sport and hey now, The Bible says gays are an abomination and shrimp cocktails are sinful.

Again, picking on the gays is how Bush won in 2004.

Kind of like George Wallace enjoyed a national career in the 1960's just before there was a tipping point on racial issues.

Probably going to take a few election cycles before this dog won't hunt.

Wallace was a Democrat btw........

Just sayin......

 

[The Rabbi]

5 People Who Were Fired for Being Gay, And The 29 States Where That Is Still Legal

1. Lisa Howe (Tennessee)
This former Belmont University soccer coach was fired in December 2010 after she came out to her soccer team that she is a lesbian and announced that she and her partner were expecting their first child. While the university’s official statement at first said that she had resigned, it was soon amended to say that the decision had been mutual, and that her continuing to work for Belmont would not be beneficial to her or the university. Demonstrators protested Howe’s termination, as she was a highly successful and popular coach, and they called for an official apology, which they never received. Although Belmont had terminated its ties with the Tennessee Baptist Church in 2007, chairman of Belmont’s board of trustees Marty Dickens told The Tennessean that, “We expect people to commit themselves to high moral and ethical standards within a Christian context.”

2. Vandy Beth Glenn (Georgia)
In 2005, Vandy Beth Glenn began working as the legislative editor of the Georgia General Assembly while still presenting as a man, Glenn Morrison. Glenn was fired in October 2007 for revealing to her supervisor that she planned to transition from male to female. Her boss, legislative counsel Sewell Brumby, allegedly told her that “her gender transition and presentation of herself as a woman would be seen as immoral, could not happen appropriately in the workplace in which Glenn worked and would make other employees uncomfortable.” This story has a happy ending, however: Glenn sued, and U.S. District Court Judge Story ruled that she was illegally fired based on sex discrimination. The judge ordered that she be compensated for wages during the appeals process. Finally, in December 2011, the appeals court ruled that she should be allowed to return to work.

3. Michael Carney (Massachusetts)
This police officer from Springfield, MA was one of the witnesses in the Congressional hearing on the Employee Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) after Congressmen Barney Frank (D-MA) and Richard Neil (D-MA) asked him to testify. He initially left his job as a police officer due to the stress of remaining closeted, but his former employers refused to hire him again after he came out. Carney fought for years to be allowed to work again, a battle that he eventually won. His success highlights the struggles others still face, as he pointed out to Midweek Politics when he said that if he “was a federal officer, or didn’t live in Massachusetts,” he probably wouldn’t have been allowed to continue working.

4. Jodi O’Brien (Wisconsin)
O’Brien, a sociology professor at Seattle University who is openly a lesbian and writes about sexuality, was originally offered a job as dean of one of Marquette University’s colleges. In May 2010, her offer was rescinded. The Roman Catholic and Jesuit-run University told the New York Times that she lacked “the ability to represent the Marquette mission and identity.” University President Rev. Robert A. Wild argued that the choice not to hire O’Brien wasn’t due to her sexuality, but rather to her academic writing, in which he found “strongly negative statements about marriage and family.” O’Brien has written extensively about the topic of gay marriage; if this isn’t discrimination based on sexual orientation, it’s certainly discrimination based on beliefs about sexual orientation. Is there a substantial difference between the two?

5. Peter TerVeer (District of Columbia)
This case is playing out as we speak. Until April 2012, TerVeer was a management analyst for the Library of Congress. He claims that he was harassed and fired because of his sexual orientation, and he has filed a discrimination complaint. WJLA reported that he received emails in 2009 from his boss referencing bible passages that speak against homosexuality, and that “he stated that as a homosexual I could never succeed because it was against God’s law.” The trouble apparently all started when TerVeer “liked” a page on Facebook called Two Dads.

Lisa Howe was local so I am sort of familiar with the case. She was fired (or left or whatever) because she lied on her job application. Yes, lying will get you fired.
The others probably the same.
But here we see exactly the problem with ENDA: no matter what a gay does, when they get fired it will solely for being gay. And that will action a suit.

 

[Seawytch]

Public accommodation laws are different than employment discrimination laws.

Restaurants: Right to Refuse Service

Does a Restaurant Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service to Specific Patrons?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye. [...]

What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service?
There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

• Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
• Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
• Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
• Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
• Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the restaurant detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the restaurant itself.