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You've post this a couple times so I decided to research it. It certainly appears it could effect climate change. However, future warming from the rise in greenhouse gases far outweigh any solar effects. There is another problem with the idea that this solar trend is responsible for climate change. We have limited correlation between temperature rises and the solar trend. Since 2003 there doesn't seem to be much interest.
Changing Sun, Changing Climate
I'm getting ready to go to bed so perhaps I'll look at your link tomorrow. But I think if we are all honest about this climate change thing, it's to admit none of know enough about it to make a determination one way or another. I personally believe the earth has a cleansing system we are totally unaware of. After all, how did the earth cleanse itself from volcanic eruptions, forest fires, cow farts?
Are we causing the climate to change? I don't know because we don't have enough evidence to prove it. I do find it doubtful. But if we are, how much are you willing to sacrifice to stop it? Are you willing to go without heat in your home? Give up personal transportation? Do without advanced communications like this internet, cable television, cell phones?
Your problem is that you think you know more than the scientists.
1) We know temperatures are rising ad rising faster than what we know about natural warming.
2) We know the heightened carbon content is the major factor.
3) We know heightened CO2 increases the greenhouse effect & that raises temperature.
4) The increase in CO2 in our atmosphere stems from emissions.
5) Therefore, anyone with a fucking brain knows the solution is to reduce emissions.
6) It takes the Earth decades to natural remove excess CO2 from the atmosphere. This is why we need to act now to prevent higher temp increases in 50-70 years.
7) Our current climate includes things like volcanic eruptions, fires, etc.
We can heat our homes without creating emissions
We can drive electric/hybrid vehicles
What does communications have to do with anything?
The solution is is reduce emissions to the point where the carbon levels are reduced & maintained at lower levels.
The longer we wait, the worse the temperature rise will be.
Instead of working towards this, a bunch of really ignorant people elect a President & Congress that is bought by the fossil fuel industry to fight efforts because the burning of fossil fuels is the biggest contributor to high CO2 levels. These people have duped the right into condemning their own offspring to a more difficult life. How stupid is that?
I cut my carbon footprint in half. My just as warm in winter, cooler than yours in the summer, and I drive just as far as I always did.
You are lying & ignorant when you claim you actually might have to sacrifice something for your Children.
No matter what figures you find, there is no way to prove man is responsible. Every single human being emits CO2. There is just no way around it. We have over 7 billion people on this planet and growing. 7 billion little C02 producers. What do we do about those? What happens when it goes to 8 or 9 billion?
What changed in the past 100 years that would increase the CO2? Industrial revolution?
Yes more people but it isn't our CO2 it is the CO2 generated by our transportation, HVAC, factories, etc.
I'll wait for your
You've post this a couple times so I decided to research it. It certainly appears it could effect climate change. However, future warming from the rise in greenhouse gases far outweigh any solar effects. There is another problem with the idea that this solar trend is responsible for climate change. We have limited correlation between temperature rises and the solar trend. Since 2003 there doesn't seem to be much interest.
Changing Sun, Changing Climate
I'm getting ready to go to bed so perhaps I'll look at your link tomorrow. But I think if we are all honest about this climate change thing, it's to admit none of know enough about it to make a determination one way or another. I personally believe the earth has a cleansing system we are totally unaware of. After all, how did the earth cleanse itself from volcanic eruptions, forest fires, cow farts?
Are we causing the climate to change? I don't know because we don't have enough evidence to prove it. I do find it doubtful. But if we are, how much are you willing to sacrifice to stop it? Are you willing to go without heat in your home? Give up personal transportation? Do without advanced communications like this internet, cable television, cell phones?
Your problem is that you think you know more than the scientists.
1) We know temperatures are rising ad rising faster than what we know about natural warming.
2) We know the heightened carbon content is the major factor.
3) We know heightened CO2 increases the greenhouse effect & that raises temperature.
4) The increase in CO2 in our atmosphere stems from emissions.
5) Therefore, anyone with a fucking brain knows the solution is to reduce emissions.
6) It takes the Earth decades to natural remove excess CO2 from the atmosphere. This is why we need to act now to prevent higher temp increases in 50-70 years.
7) Our current climate includes things like volcanic eruptions, fires, etc.
We can heat our homes without creating emissions
We can drive electric/hybrid vehicles
What does communications have to do with anything?
The solution is is reduce emissions to the point where the carbon levels are reduced & maintained at lower levels.
The longer we wait, the worse the temperature rise will be.
Instead of working towards this, a bunch of really ignorant people elect a President & Congress that is bought by the fossil fuel industry to fight efforts because the burning of fossil fuels is the biggest contributor to high CO2 levels. These people have duped the right into condemning their own offspring to a more difficult life. How stupid is that?
I cut my carbon footprint in half. My just as warm in winter, cooler than yours in the summer, and I drive just as far as I always did.
You are lying & ignorant when you claim you actually might have to sacrifice something for your Children.
No matter what figures you find, there is no way to prove man is responsible. Every single human being emits CO2. There is just no way around it. We have over 7 billion people on this planet and growing. 7 billion little C02 producers. What do we do about those? What happens when it goes to 8 or 9 billion?
What changed in the past 100 years that would increase the CO2? Industrial revolution?
Yes more people but it isn't our CO2 it is the CO2 generated by our transportation, HVAC, factories, etc.
I'll wait for your
Your post is a little off-topic, but do you want the illegal voters to vote or not, RealDave? I don't think they should be voting in our country. They're going to vote Democrat until further notice. But we digress. This thread is about the Green New Deal, and I think it's a very bad idea because not only is it based on pseudo science, it is impractical and will bankrupt the Medicare sentence just as noticed in this speaker's view:So you want the government to have your fingerprints & eyescans?Eye scans or fingerprints might work to secure the voter..
I thought you hated big government?
I am replying to a post. So why don;t you bitch at the person that posted it?
What part of no significant voter fraud that a photo ID would stop don't you get. Are you just stupid?
Your post is a little off-topic, but do you want the illegal voters to vote or not, RealDave? I don't think they should be voting in our country. They're going to vote Democrat until further notice. But we digress. This thread is about the Green New Deal, and I think it's a very bad idea because not only is it based on pseudo science, it is impractical and will bankrupt the Medicare sentence just as noticed in this speaker's view:So you want the government to have your fingerprints & eyescans?Eye scans or fingerprints might work to secure the voter..
I thought you hated big government?
I am replying to a post. So why don;t you bitch at the person that posted it?
What part of no significant voter fraud that a photo ID would stop don't you get. Are you just stupid?
one illegal vote is too many. California has issued drivers licenses and voter registration cards to millions of people here illegally. They have IDs and voted in 2016. Why do you want illegals voting in our elections? why do you want citizens of other countries voting in our elections? Do you think US citizens should be allowed to vote in Mexico? your entire argument on this is STUPID.
We shall see. Well, I want be around but the human race will. Even when the seas rises several feet and global temperatures continue to rise, it will be claimed it's natural since it happened a few hundred million years ago.
For the 800,000 years we have records of, average global CO2 levels fluctuated between about 170 ppm and 280 ppm. Once humans started to burn fossil fuels in the industrial era, things changed rapidly.You've post this a couple times so I decided to research it. It certainly appears it could effect climate change. However, future warming from the rise in greenhouse gases far outweigh any solar effects. There is another problem with the idea that this solar trend is responsible for climate change. We have limited correlation between temperature rises and the solar trend. Since 2003 there doesn't seem to be much interest.
Changing Sun, Changing Climate
I'm getting ready to go to bed so perhaps I'll look at your link tomorrow. But I think if we are all honest about this climate change thing, it's to admit none of know enough about it to make a determination one way or another. I personally believe the earth has a cleansing system we are totally unaware of. After all, how did the earth cleanse itself from volcanic eruptions, forest fires, cow farts?
Are we causing the climate to change? I don't know because we don't have enough evidence to prove it. I do find it doubtful. But if we are, how much are you willing to sacrifice to stop it? Are you willing to go without heat in your home? Give up personal transportation? Do without advanced communications like this internet, cable television, cell phones?
Your problem is that you think you know more than the scientists.
1) We know temperatures are rising ad rising faster than what we know about natural warming.
2) We know the heightened carbon content is the major factor.
3) We know heightened CO2 increases the greenhouse effect & that raises temperature.
4) The increase in CO2 in our atmosphere stems from emissions.
5) Therefore, anyone with a fucking brain knows the solution is to reduce emissions.
6) It takes the Earth decades to natural remove excess CO2 from the atmosphere. This is why we need to act now to prevent higher temp increases in 50-70 years.
7) Our current climate includes things like volcanic eruptions, fires, etc.
We can heat our homes without creating emissions
We can drive electric/hybrid vehicles
What does communications have to do with anything?
The solution is is reduce emissions to the point where the carbon levels are reduced & maintained at lower levels.
The longer we wait, the worse the temperature rise will be.
Instead of working towards this, a bunch of really ignorant people elect a President & Congress that is bought by the fossil fuel industry to fight efforts because the burning of fossil fuels is the biggest contributor to high CO2 levels. These people have duped the right into condemning their own offspring to a more difficult life. How stupid is that?
I cut my carbon footprint in half. My just as warm in winter, cooler than yours in the summer, and I drive just as far as I always did.
You are lying & ignorant when you claim you actually might have to sacrifice something for your Children.
No matter what figures you find, there is no way to prove man is responsible. Every single human being emits CO2. There is just no way around it. We have over 7 billion people on this planet and growing. 7 billion little C02 producers. What do we do about those? What happens when it goes to 8 or 9 billion?
What changed in the past 100 years that would increase the CO2? Industrial revolution?
Yes more people but it isn't our CO2 it is the CO2 generated by our transportation, HVAC, factories, etc.
I'll wait for your
What.....you think there are different C02's or something?
Whether you want to measure temperatures or climate the last 100 years or the last 1,000 years, it's like measuring two minutes of the day to determine what the weather will be like for the rest of the week.
Our normal temperature here in Cleveland today is 36 degrees. We hit 28 yesterday, 32 today, and tomorrow it's only going up to 26. Is that indicative that our planet is cooling? No. 36 is an average and any deviation of that is perfectly normal. It could be 15 today and 45 by Friday, and that's still normal.
So if the earth is heating for a couple hundred years, it's not abnormal. In 500 years from now, it could be cooling. Nobody knows what the average temperature of our 4.5 billion year old planet is because it's has always been changing during that time.
The question is not if sea levels are rising. The question is do we have any control over it.
Eye scans or fingerprints might work to secure the voter..
If you're going to make nonsense claims...and want to be taken seriously (hard to do when science does not agree with you) you ought to provide quotes and links.The question is not if sea levels are rising. The question is do we have any control over it.
IF the cave man religion actually had control over sea levels, they really would have risen to validate the AGW cult predictions, That sea levels have not in fact risen at anywhere near the rate predicted is a crises for the cult.
If you're going to make nonsense claims...and want to be taken seriously (hard to do when science does not agree with you) you ought to provide quotes and links.The question is not if sea levels are rising. The question is do we have any control over it.
IF the cave man religion actually had control over sea levels, they really would have risen to validate the AGW cult predictions, That sea levels have not in fact risen at anywhere near the rate predicted is a crises for the cult.
For the 800,000 years we have records of, average global CO2 levels fluctuated between about 170 ppm and 280 ppm. Once humans started to burn fossil fuels in the industrial era, things changed rapidly.I'm getting ready to go to bed so perhaps I'll look at your link tomorrow. But I think if we are all honest about this climate change thing, it's to admit none of know enough about it to make a determination one way or another. I personally believe the earth has a cleansing system we are totally unaware of. After all, how did the earth cleanse itself from volcanic eruptions, forest fires, cow farts?
Are we causing the climate to change? I don't know because we don't have enough evidence to prove it. I do find it doubtful. But if we are, how much are you willing to sacrifice to stop it? Are you willing to go without heat in your home? Give up personal transportation? Do without advanced communications like this internet, cable television, cell phones?
Your problem is that you think you know more than the scientists.
1) We know temperatures are rising ad rising faster than what we know about natural warming.
2) We know the heightened carbon content is the major factor.
3) We know heightened CO2 increases the greenhouse effect & that raises temperature.
4) The increase in CO2 in our atmosphere stems from emissions.
5) Therefore, anyone with a fucking brain knows the solution is to reduce emissions.
6) It takes the Earth decades to natural remove excess CO2 from the atmosphere. This is why we need to act now to prevent higher temp increases in 50-70 years.
7) Our current climate includes things like volcanic eruptions, fires, etc.
We can heat our homes without creating emissions
We can drive electric/hybrid vehicles
What does communications have to do with anything?
The solution is is reduce emissions to the point where the carbon levels are reduced & maintained at lower levels.
The longer we wait, the worse the temperature rise will be.
Instead of working towards this, a bunch of really ignorant people elect a President & Congress that is bought by the fossil fuel industry to fight efforts because the burning of fossil fuels is the biggest contributor to high CO2 levels. These people have duped the right into condemning their own offspring to a more difficult life. How stupid is that?
I cut my carbon footprint in half. My just as warm in winter, cooler than yours in the summer, and I drive just as far as I always did.
You are lying & ignorant when you claim you actually might have to sacrifice something for your Children.
No matter what figures you find, there is no way to prove man is responsible. Every single human being emits CO2. There is just no way around it. We have over 7 billion people on this planet and growing. 7 billion little C02 producers. What do we do about those? What happens when it goes to 8 or 9 billion?
What changed in the past 100 years that would increase the CO2? Industrial revolution?
Yes more people but it isn't our CO2 it is the CO2 generated by our transportation, HVAC, factories, etc.
I'll wait for your
What.....you think there are different C02's or something?
Whether you want to measure temperatures or climate the last 100 years or the last 1,000 years, it's like measuring two minutes of the day to determine what the weather will be like for the rest of the week.
Our normal temperature here in Cleveland today is 36 degrees. We hit 28 yesterday, 32 today, and tomorrow it's only going up to 26. Is that indicative that our planet is cooling? No. 36 is an average and any deviation of that is perfectly normal. It could be 15 today and 45 by Friday, and that's still normal.
So if the earth is heating for a couple hundred years, it's not abnormal. In 500 years from now, it could be cooling. Nobody knows what the average temperature of our 4.5 billion year old planet is because it's has always been changing during that time.
Only in the industrial era has the number risen above 300 ppm. The concentration first crept above 400 ppm in 2013, and continues to climb.
Scientists debate the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have happened during the Pliocene era, between 2 and 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were at least 60 to 80 feet higher than today. It may have been in the Miocene, 10 to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.
In our 800,000-year record, it took about 1,000 years for CO2 levels to increase by 35 ppm. We're currently averaging an increase of more than 2 ppm per year, meaning that we could hit an average of 500 ppm within the next 45 years, if not sooner.
which humans were burning fossil fuels 2 to 14 millions years ago? you just defeated your entire argument and don't even realize it. LOL.
That sea levels have not in fact risen at anywhere near the rate predicted is a crises for the cult.
I provide a great deal of links.
which humans were burning fossil fuels 2 to 14 millions years ago? you just defeated your entire argument and don't even realize it. LOL.
Wait...you mean you actually think there can only be one cause of CO2 increase ever?
You're that fucking stupid?
Wait, you actually think the earth would kill itself with it's own emission? You really are a bright one son.
That sea levels have not in fact risen at anywhere near the rate predicted is a crises for the cult.
I provide a great deal of links.
Ok...do so
That sea levels have not in fact risen at anywhere near the rate predicted is a crises for the cult.
The question is not if sea levels are rising. The question is do we have any control over it.
IF the cave man religion actually had control over sea levels, they really would have risen to validate the AGW cult predictions, That sea levels have not in fact risen at anywhere near the rate predicted is a crises for the cult.
For the 800,000 years we have records of, average global CO2 levels fluctuated between about 170 ppm and 280 ppm. Once humans started to burn fossil fuels in the industrial era, things changed rapidly.I'm getting ready to go to bed so perhaps I'll look at your link tomorrow. But I think if we are all honest about this climate change thing, it's to admit none of know enough about it to make a determination one way or another. I personally believe the earth has a cleansing system we are totally unaware of. After all, how did the earth cleanse itself from volcanic eruptions, forest fires, cow farts?
Are we causing the climate to change? I don't know because we don't have enough evidence to prove it. I do find it doubtful. But if we are, how much are you willing to sacrifice to stop it? Are you willing to go without heat in your home? Give up personal transportation? Do without advanced communications like this internet, cable television, cell phones?
Your problem is that you think you know more than the scientists.
1) We know temperatures are rising ad rising faster than what we know about natural warming.
2) We know the heightened carbon content is the major factor.
3) We know heightened CO2 increases the greenhouse effect & that raises temperature.
4) The increase in CO2 in our atmosphere stems from emissions.
5) Therefore, anyone with a fucking brain knows the solution is to reduce emissions.
6) It takes the Earth decades to natural remove excess CO2 from the atmosphere. This is why we need to act now to prevent higher temp increases in 50-70 years.
7) Our current climate includes things like volcanic eruptions, fires, etc.
We can heat our homes without creating emissions
We can drive electric/hybrid vehicles
What does communications have to do with anything?
The solution is is reduce emissions to the point where the carbon levels are reduced & maintained at lower levels.
The longer we wait, the worse the temperature rise will be.
Instead of working towards this, a bunch of really ignorant people elect a President & Congress that is bought by the fossil fuel industry to fight efforts because the burning of fossil fuels is the biggest contributor to high CO2 levels. These people have duped the right into condemning their own offspring to a more difficult life. How stupid is that?
I cut my carbon footprint in half. My just as warm in winter, cooler than yours in the summer, and I drive just as far as I always did.
You are lying & ignorant when you claim you actually might have to sacrifice something for your Children.
No matter what figures you find, there is no way to prove man is responsible. Every single human being emits CO2. There is just no way around it. We have over 7 billion people on this planet and growing. 7 billion little C02 producers. What do we do about those? What happens when it goes to 8 or 9 billion?
What changed in the past 100 years that would increase the CO2? Industrial revolution?
Yes more people but it isn't our CO2 it is the CO2 generated by our transportation, HVAC, factories, etc.
I'll wait for your
What.....you think there are different C02's or something?
Whether you want to measure temperatures or climate the last 100 years or the last 1,000 years, it's like measuring two minutes of the day to determine what the weather will be like for the rest of the week.
Our normal temperature here in Cleveland today is 36 degrees. We hit 28 yesterday, 32 today, and tomorrow it's only going up to 26. Is that indicative that our planet is cooling? No. 36 is an average and any deviation of that is perfectly normal. It could be 15 today and 45 by Friday, and that's still normal.
So if the earth is heating for a couple hundred years, it's not abnormal. In 500 years from now, it could be cooling. Nobody knows what the average temperature of our 4.5 billion year old planet is because it's has always been changing during that time.
Only in the industrial era has the number risen above 300 ppm. The concentration first crept above 400 ppm in 2013, and continues to climb.
Scientists debate the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have happened during the Pliocene era, between 2 and 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were at least 60 to 80 feet higher than today. It may have been in the Miocene, 10 to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.
In our 800,000-year record, it took about 1,000 years for CO2 levels to increase by 35 ppm. We're currently averaging an increase of more than 2 ppm per year, meaning that we could hit an average of 500 ppm within the next 45 years, if not sooner.
