Growing Arab Support For Israel

[rylah]

 

[Unkotare]

Muslims don't have a real strong track record of loyalty to other Muslims. And if you're the 'wrong' kind of Muslim...oh boy...

 

[Roudy]

The biggest factor in this about face towards Israel is the fact that Shiites have hated and killed Sunnis (and vice versa) far more than they have Jews. The Sunnis eventually got tired of an Iran, emboldened and supported by Obama and the Democrats, slaughter and rape fellow Sunnis by the thousands in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen.

Now the Sunis will trust a Zionist Jew far more than Shiites or Palestinians, whom they consider frauds and not real Arabs.

Kudos to Kushner and of course Trump for once again getting it right, and bringing the deal home.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Growing Arab Support For Israel
⁜→ Rudy, et al,

BLUF: I have heard this commentary (and similar variations on the theme) several times in the past couple of months.

The biggest factor in this about face towards Israel is the fact that Shiites have hated and killed Sunnis (and vice versa) far more than they have Jews.

(COMMENT)

I would have thought, given the intellectual growth in the last quarter-century, that mankind had moved past the unreasonable attachment to a belief and prejudice that one religion is somehow superior to another. All the Abrahamic religions are based on supernatural beliefs in the core foundation. But what I find even more astounding is the dispute between the Sunni and Shia. You would have thought that, within the last 1300 years, the principles of religious freedoms and the liberty for choice (or rejection) would have caught-on. Particularly since the Abrahamic religions have a core belief in the same deity.

While supernatural beliefs might make good sport in a debating society or in the development of philosophy → it is rather hard to justify any level of carnage.

(QUESTIONs)

Why is this reverence for the way the same supernatural beings are given homage so politically and judiciously important?
.........................................................................................OR
Are the differences really a way to exploit followers that have little philosophical understanding of being exploited?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

RE: Growing Arab Support For Israel
⁜→ Rudy, et al,

BLUF: I have heard this commentary (and similar variations on the theme) several times in the past couple of months.

The biggest factor in this about face towards Israel is the fact that Shiites have hated and killed Sunnis (and vice versa) far more than they have Jews.

(COMMENT)

I would have thought, given the intellectual growth in the last quarter-century, that mankind had moved past the unreasonable attachment to a belief and prejudice that one religion is somehow superior to another. All the Abrahamic religions are based on supernatural beliefs in the core foundation. But what I find even more astounding is the dispute between the Sunni and Shia. You would have thought that, within the last 1300 years, the principles of religious freedoms and the liberty for choice (or rejection) would have caught-on. Particularly since the Abrahamic religions have a core belief in the same deity.

While supernatural beliefs might make good sport in a debating society or in the development of philosophy → it is rather hard to justify any level of carnage.

(QUESTIONs)

Why is this reverence for the way the same supernatural beings are given homage so politically and judiciously important?
.........................................................................................OR
Are the differences really a way to exploit followers that have little philosophical understanding of being exploited?

Most Respectfully,
R

Iran and other failed Arab states have used Israel as a distraction and an effective way to unite the people and the Muslim world as a whole from their own leaders' failures. In the meantime, Iran has been actively plotting a Shiite takeover of Islam's holiest sites for the last 40 years from the Saudis and the Sunnis. Iran's quest for a nuclear weapon was actually to blackmail and crush the Saudi's into submission. It became too intolerable for the Sunnis when Iran and its proxies became too overzealous and started the mass killings of Sunnis across the Middle East. The Sunnis have been secretly working with Israel behind the scenes since the beginnings of the Obama administration.

 

[rylah]

REPORT: The Qatari emissary left Gaza and will meet with Israeli officials in Jerusalem

The Qatari emissary, Mohammad al-'Amadi, left the Gaza strip after meeting with Hamas. So was reported by the Palestinian newspaper "Al-Quds". According to the report, Al-'Amdai is expected to meet in Jerusalem with the UN ambassador to the middle east, Nikolay Maldanov, as well as with Israeli top-officials with whom will be discussed the understandings reached in front of Hamas. Al-'Amadi is expected to return to the strip this week in order to finalize the contacts.

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[rylah]

RE: Growing Arab Support For Israel
⁜→ Rudy, et al,

BLUF: I have heard this commentary (and similar variations on the theme) several times in the past couple of months.

The biggest factor in this about face towards Israel is the fact that Shiites have hated and killed Sunnis (and vice versa) far more than they have Jews.

(COMMENT)

I would have thought, given the intellectual growth in the last quarter-century, that mankind had moved past the unreasonable attachment to a belief and prejudice that one religion is somehow superior to another. All the Abrahamic religions are based on supernatural beliefs in the core foundation. But what I find even more astounding is the dispute between the Sunni and Shia. You would have thought that, within the last 1300 years, the principles of religious freedoms and the liberty for choice (or rejection) would have caught-on. Particularly since the Abrahamic religions have a core belief in the same deity.

While supernatural beliefs might make good sport in a debating society or in the development of philosophy → it is rather hard to justify any level of carnage.

(QUESTIONs)

Why is this reverence for the way the same supernatural beings are given homage so politically and judiciously important?
.........................................................................................OR
Are the differences really a way to exploit followers that have little philosophical understanding of being exploited?

Most Respectfully,
R

A small difference between 2 very similar ideas
is greater than that with an entirely different one.

Symbolism matters, a lot.
The west argues economics,
we argue the G-dly of the politics.

If in the west it's "give to Caesar what's to...", religion being a taboo in politics,
here there's no such separation, politics and religion are synonyms.
Ethnic lines also seem to correlate closely with religious.

 

[MJB12741]

Who will deny this is not wonderful news uniting two major religions for improved Middle East peace?

Shofar blasts sound in Abu Dhabi as UAE Jews join Israeli delegation for morning prayers

'By coming to establish relations between Israel and the UAE, we draw inspiration from our common patriarch and forge a new path,' said Meir Ben-Shabbat, head of the Israeli delegation.

worldisraelnews.com

 

[Unkotare]

Who will deny this is not wonderful news uniting two major religions for improved Middle East peace?
...

People with hatred in their own hearts and/or a vested interest in division, death and destruction.

 

[Ropey]

What do you think about the Azerbaijani political relationship with Israel?

It's another small country of little consequence like the UAE trying to suck up to the West and Israel for economic reasons.
Even though the government is playing butt buddies with the Zionists.
I'm confident the citizens still hate Israel. ...

Amazing how little you know...

Azeris are not all Ayatollah Khomeini,
they know what the Iranians and Arabs are.

I've already told you, Arabs have no idea the kind of Jews they've made their enemies,
we've got entire middle east in one country, Azeris, Kurds, Syrians, Yemenites and Iranians you name it.

It's not amazing to me. Sunni's a convert.

He built his hate and his responses are mostly all canned diatribe. In the conservative party, he's much like a Koch sucker without the Koch support.

Same dynamic as with Ba'alei Tshuvah,
overcompensation and rigidness.

It takes a generation, that's what happening with the 'Abrahamic accords'.
The sons of the Arab baby-boomers are filling the leadership position,
doing first steps to Tshuvah after adolescence in radicalism.

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not moderately reform Islam... in the same way that Socialists will not moderately reform socialism.

Notice that I did not use the word Arab.

 

[rylah]

What do you think about the Azerbaijani political relationship with Israel?

It's another small country of little consequence like the UAE trying to suck up to the West and Israel for economic reasons.
Even though the government is playing butt buddies with the Zionists.
I'm confident the citizens still hate Israel. ...

Amazing how little you know...

Azeris are not all Ayatollah Khomeini,
they know what the Iranians and Arabs are.

I've already told you, Arabs have no idea the kind of Jews they've made their enemies,
we've got entire middle east in one country, Azeris, Kurds, Syrians, Yemenites and Iranians you name it.

It's not amazing to me. Sunni's a convert.

He built his hate and his responses are mostly all canned diatribe. In the conservative party, he's much like a Koch sucker without the Koch support.

Same dynamic as with Ba'alei Tshuvah,
overcompensation and rigidness.

It takes a generation, that's what happening with the 'Abrahamic accords'.
The sons of the Arab baby-boomers are filling the leadership position,
doing first steps to Tshuvah after adolescence in radicalism.

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not reform Islam.

Inshallah!

Ben-David initiates a cultural reform
and installs the Kingdom of G-d in this world.

"2nd Israel" is taking the torch...

 

[Sunni Man]

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not moderately reform Islam... in the same way that

Islam is perfectly fine as it is and doesn't need reform. ...

 

[Ropey]

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not moderately reform Islam... in the same way that

Islam is perfectly fine as it is and doesn't need reform. ...

What you're saying is that it doesn't need G-d.

So...

Your family line is, at best, a newcomer to this game.

 

[Sunni Man]

Muslims have seen the results of the reforms that took place in both Christianity and Judaism over the last couple of centuries.
They went from strong religions respected by the public and playing a major part in society and culture. But now today have been marginalized and are ridiculed in the media and popular culture. ...

 

[Ropey]

What do you think about the Azerbaijani political relationship with Israel?

It's another small country of little consequence like the UAE trying to suck up to the West and Israel for economic reasons.
Even though the government is playing butt buddies with the Zionists.
I'm confident the citizens still hate Israel. ...

Amazing how little you know...

Azeris are not all Ayatollah Khomeini,
they know what the Iranians and Arabs are.

I've already told you, Arabs have no idea the kind of Jews they've made their enemies,
we've got entire middle east in one country, Azeris, Kurds, Syrians, Yemenites and Iranians you name it.

It's not amazing to me. Sunni's a convert.

He built his hate and his responses are mostly all canned diatribe. In the conservative party, he's much like a Koch sucker without the Koch support.

Same dynamic as with Ba'alei Tshuvah,
overcompensation and rigidness.

It takes a generation, that's what happening with the 'Abrahamic accords'.
The sons of the Arab baby-boomers are filling the leadership position,
doing first steps to Tshuvah after adolescence in radicalism.

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not reform Islam.

Inshallah!

Ben-David initiates a cultural reform
and installs the Kingdom of G-d in this world.

"2nd Israel" is taking the torch...

The signs are of Christianity forwarding their prophesies. Arabs are fine with this because they don't believe in it. Neither do the Jews.

I simply watch the signs. imho there's a reason for the penalty phase just as there's a reason for a penalty phase in much of contractual law.

 

[Ropey]

Muslims have seen the results of the reforms that took place in both Christianity and Judaism over the last couple of centuries.
They went from strong religions respected by the public and playing a major part in society and culture. But now today have been marginalized and are ridiculed in the media and popular culture. ...

Yes, the options must be unclear at this stage... so as to drill into the depth of the soul making the choice.

 

[rylah]

What do you think about the Azerbaijani political relationship with Israel?

It's another small country of little consequence like the UAE trying to suck up to the West and Israel for economic reasons.
Even though the government is playing butt buddies with the Zionists.
I'm confident the citizens still hate Israel. ...

Amazing how little you know...

Azeris are not all Ayatollah Khomeini,
they know what the Iranians and Arabs are.

I've already told you, Arabs have no idea the kind of Jews they've made their enemies,
we've got entire middle east in one country, Azeris, Kurds, Syrians, Yemenites and Iranians you name it.

It's not amazing to me. Sunni's a convert.

He built his hate and his responses are mostly all canned diatribe. In the conservative party, he's much like a Koch sucker without the Koch support.

Same dynamic as with Ba'alei Tshuvah,
overcompensation and rigidness.

It takes a generation, that's what happening with the 'Abrahamic accords'.
The sons of the Arab baby-boomers are filling the leadership position,
doing first steps to Tshuvah after adolescence in radicalism.

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not reform Islam.

Inshallah!

Ben-David initiates a cultural reform
and installs the Kingdom of G-d in this world.

"2nd Israel" is taking the torch...

The signs are of Christianity forwarding their prophesies. Arabs are fine with this because they don't believe in it. Neither do the Jews.

I simply watch the signs. imho there's a reason for the penalty phase just as there's a reason for a penalty phase in much of contractual law.

Eschatology is the sub-context of political relations.
It's not only with Christianity, signs fulfill for all Abrahamic religions.

We are the most paternalistic,
they've got the numbers, we've got the cultural core.

 

[Ropey]

What do you think about the Azerbaijani political relationship with Israel?

It's another small country of little consequence like the UAE trying to suck up to the West and Israel for economic reasons.
Even though the government is playing butt buddies with the Zionists.
I'm confident the citizens still hate Israel. ...

Amazing how little you know...

Azeris are not all Ayatollah Khomeini,
they know what the Iranians and Arabs are.

I've already told you, Arabs have no idea the kind of Jews they've made their enemies,
we've got entire middle east in one country, Azeris, Kurds, Syrians, Yemenites and Iranians you name it.

It's not amazing to me. Sunni's a convert.

He built his hate and his responses are mostly all canned diatribe. In the conservative party, he's much like a Koch sucker without the Koch support.

Same dynamic as with Ba'alei Tshuvah,
overcompensation and rigidness.

It takes a generation, that's what happening with the 'Abrahamic accords'.
The sons of the Arab baby-boomers are filling the leadership position,
doing first steps to Tshuvah after adolescence in radicalism.

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not reform Islam.

Inshallah!

Ben-David initiates a cultural reform
and installs the Kingdom of G-d in this world.

"2nd Israel" is taking the torch...

The signs are of Christianity forwarding their prophesies. Arabs are fine with this because they don't believe in it. Neither do the Jews.

I simply watch the signs. imho there's a reason for the penalty phase just as there's a reason for a penalty phase in much of contractual law.

Eschatology is the sub-context of political relations.
It's not only with Christianity, signs fulfill for all Abrahamic religions.

We are the most paternalistic,
they've got the numbers, we've got the cultural core.

You have a point. Still.

imho?

Don't be so sure about the numbers. They are funny things that tend to compress and expand as does time and space. We do not number ourselves for reason.

 

[rylah]

Muslims have seen the results of the reforms that took place in both Christianity and Judaism over the last couple of centuries.
They went from strong religions respected by the public and playing a major part in society and culture. But now today have been marginalized and are ridiculed in the media and popular culture. ...

Israel is the reform.
Welcome into your shadow...

 

[rylah]

What do you think about the Azerbaijani political relationship with Israel?

It's another small country of little consequence like the UAE trying to suck up to the West and Israel for economic reasons.
Even though the government is playing butt buddies with the Zionists.
I'm confident the citizens still hate Israel. ...

Amazing how little you know...

Azeris are not all Ayatollah Khomeini,
they know what the Iranians and Arabs are.

I've already told you, Arabs have no idea the kind of Jews they've made their enemies,
we've got entire middle east in one country, Azeris, Kurds, Syrians, Yemenites and Iranians you name it.

It's not amazing to me. Sunni's a convert.

He built his hate and his responses are mostly all canned diatribe. In the conservative party, he's much like a Koch sucker without the Koch support.

Same dynamic as with Ba'alei Tshuvah,
overcompensation and rigidness.

It takes a generation, that's what happening with the 'Abrahamic accords'.
The sons of the Arab baby-boomers are filling the leadership position,
doing first steps to Tshuvah after adolescence in radicalism.

While I think that it will take G-d to change the mind of radical Islam since Muslims will not reform Islam.

Inshallah!

Ben-David initiates a cultural reform
and installs the Kingdom of G-d in this world.

"2nd Israel" is taking the torch...

The signs are of Christianity forwarding their prophesies. Arabs are fine with this because they don't believe in it. Neither do the Jews.

I simply watch the signs. imho there's a reason for the penalty phase just as there's a reason for a penalty phase in much of contractual law.

Eschatology is the sub-context of political relations.
It's not only with Christianity, signs fulfill for all Abrahamic religions.

We are the most paternalistic,
they've got the numbers, we've got the cultural core.

imho?

Don't be so sure about the numbers. They are funny things that tend to compress and expand as does time and space. We do not number ourselves for reason.

Liked the last part especially...
That's why I openly talk about the Anusim and Pathans.

The revolution is not only external,
when the founders named it Israel, they did mean all Israel.