Gun background checks in August set another record....good for us. More guns = less crime.

[Taz]

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

So why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth.

"They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research." So in 400 years we might all be safe. Good to know.

Chicago isn't safe because the democrat politicians at the ward level are working with the street gangs. Chicago politicians are keeping police resources out of their neighborhoods because they are working with the street gangs. Chicago judges, who are SJWs, keep releasing violent, repeat gun offenders back onto the streets......they then go out and shoot people...this is the problem.

The same dynamic is happening in St. Louis, democrat controlled, Baltimore, democrat controlled, D.C., democrat controlled, New Orleans, democrat controlled.

They refuse to lock up violent, repeat gun offenders. Why is that?

And yes, the CDC found that 1.1 million Americans, on average each year, use their guns to stop violent criminals.....imagine what the country would be like if they didn't have those guns...

Here...read up on Chicago's revolving door policy for known, repeat gun offenders...

and from the article below, why won't people help the police? Because the shooter they identify today, is back on the street, on bail tomorrow, or out of jail in less than 3 years.....would you identify a killer who will be back on your block in a matter of days?

The Real Reasons for Chicago's Deadly Crime Wave

Because it’s Chicago — where support from “the community” typically hovers near zero — police seldom identify any suspects, much less make arrests. In fact, CPD has made arrests in only 13% of homicides so far in 2018.
A casual glance through the confidential DSR reveals that virtually every victim of Chicago violence last weekend had gang ties. Either as a member of a gang or those (often young females) who hang out with gang members. The other glaring common thread: the victims themselves usually have criminal histories, too.

In fact, poring over the fifteen pages of incidents (pasted end to end, that’s over 10 feet of incidents), only 21 of the 78 victims did not have a criminal history. Meanwhile, those with arrest records garnered a total of 813 arrests between them.

Eight hundred thirteen arrests.

At the same time, Cook County’s infamous “catch and release” criminal justice system only managed to gain convictions in 120 of those 813 arrests.


For example, one 23-year-old Black P. Stone gang member who was shot in the gut had 35 arrests and zero convictions. One perforated 66-year-old had 55 arrests!


Another 32-year-old Four Corner Hustlers member, Charles Green, had 62 arrests, but he won’t re-offend. Not after he suffered multiple gunshot wounds that proved fatal. Green’s colorful past included arrests for dope, more dope, armed robbery, and a murder for which Cook County prosecutor Kim Foxx released him without charges.

Tip for the day, besides avoiding Chicago: mommas, don’t let your girls hang out with gang members. Otherwise, they can find themselves caught in the crossfire, and they don’t always survive.
Three young adult women without any criminal history or gang affiliations suffered gunshot wounds in a single incident at 1338 S. Millard Ave. Two offenders began shooting into “a large street gathering” wounding a total of seven. Tragically, a 17-year-old girl named Jahnae Patterson died there from a wound to her face.
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Meanwhile, another victim at that same location, aged 14, remains in good condition. How terrible, you say? That same 14-year-old named Marion already has two arrests for car burglaries and a Strategic Subject List (SSL) score of 385. The SSL score serves to indicate potential future criminal behavior. As defined by the City of Chicago:

Another case caught my eye. The victim, Miguel, a 19-year-old Hispanic male, told police he saw some people who recognized him emerge from a convenience store. For some unknown reason (he says) they began chasing him in the 3900 block of S. Rockwell. In the alley behind the store, he heard gunshots and felt pain.

Before you start oozing sympathy for this poor teen, know that CPD says Miguel also moonlights as a Satan Disciples gang member and has built his SSL score to 500. With a SSL score that high, Darwin will probably catch up with him soon enough, assuming he survives this hospital visit.

But all these people have lots of guns, so why aren't they and Chicago safe? Do they need even more guns?

They are criminals with guns.....using them to shoot people to have power over them. Notice that as Law Abiding Citizens started to own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

If you have a criminal who uses a gun and you keep letting them out of jail regardless of the gun crime, they are going to shoot people......

Chicago just passed Concealed carry, they don't have any gun stores and no gun ranges in the city......law abiding citzens are the only ones who don't have guns...yet.

Chicago is only proof that what they're doing there isn't working and that they should try something else.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

So why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth.

"They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research." So in 400 years we might all be safe. Good to know.

Chicago isn't safe because the democrat politicians at the ward level are working with the street gangs. Chicago politicians are keeping police resources out of their neighborhoods because they are working with the street gangs. Chicago judges, who are SJWs, keep releasing violent, repeat gun offenders back onto the streets......they then go out and shoot people...this is the problem.

The same dynamic is happening in St. Louis, democrat controlled, Baltimore, democrat controlled, D.C., democrat controlled, New Orleans, democrat controlled.

They refuse to lock up violent, repeat gun offenders. Why is that?

And yes, the CDC found that 1.1 million Americans, on average each year, use their guns to stop violent criminals.....imagine what the country would be like if they didn't have those guns...

Here...read up on Chicago's revolving door policy for known, repeat gun offenders...

and from the article below, why won't people help the police? Because the shooter they identify today, is back on the street, on bail tomorrow, or out of jail in less than 3 years.....would you identify a killer who will be back on your block in a matter of days?

The Real Reasons for Chicago's Deadly Crime Wave

Because it’s Chicago — where support from “the community” typically hovers near zero — police seldom identify any suspects, much less make arrests. In fact, CPD has made arrests in only 13% of homicides so far in 2018.
A casual glance through the confidential DSR reveals that virtually every victim of Chicago violence last weekend had gang ties. Either as a member of a gang or those (often young females) who hang out with gang members. The other glaring common thread: the victims themselves usually have criminal histories, too.

In fact, poring over the fifteen pages of incidents (pasted end to end, that’s over 10 feet of incidents), only 21 of the 78 victims did not have a criminal history. Meanwhile, those with arrest records garnered a total of 813 arrests between them.

Eight hundred thirteen arrests.

At the same time, Cook County’s infamous “catch and release” criminal justice system only managed to gain convictions in 120 of those 813 arrests.


For example, one 23-year-old Black P. Stone gang member who was shot in the gut had 35 arrests and zero convictions. One perforated 66-year-old had 55 arrests!


Another 32-year-old Four Corner Hustlers member, Charles Green, had 62 arrests, but he won’t re-offend. Not after he suffered multiple gunshot wounds that proved fatal. Green’s colorful past included arrests for dope, more dope, armed robbery, and a murder for which Cook County prosecutor Kim Foxx released him without charges.

Tip for the day, besides avoiding Chicago: mommas, don’t let your girls hang out with gang members. Otherwise, they can find themselves caught in the crossfire, and they don’t always survive.
Three young adult women without any criminal history or gang affiliations suffered gunshot wounds in a single incident at 1338 S. Millard Ave. Two offenders began shooting into “a large street gathering” wounding a total of seven. Tragically, a 17-year-old girl named Jahnae Patterson died there from a wound to her face.
--------------
Meanwhile, another victim at that same location, aged 14, remains in good condition. How terrible, you say? That same 14-year-old named Marion already has two arrests for car burglaries and a Strategic Subject List (SSL) score of 385. The SSL score serves to indicate potential future criminal behavior. As defined by the City of Chicago:

Another case caught my eye. The victim, Miguel, a 19-year-old Hispanic male, told police he saw some people who recognized him emerge from a convenience store. For some unknown reason (he says) they began chasing him in the 3900 block of S. Rockwell. In the alley behind the store, he heard gunshots and felt pain.

Before you start oozing sympathy for this poor teen, know that CPD says Miguel also moonlights as a Satan Disciples gang member and has built his SSL score to 500. With a SSL score that high, Darwin will probably catch up with him soon enough, assuming he survives this hospital visit.

But all these people have lots of guns, so why aren't they and Chicago safe? Do they need even more guns?

Wisconsin passed concealed carry a few years before Chicago....and it too shows your idea that more guns = more crime is wrong ,as more people in Wisconsin now have gun permits and their crime rates are going down, not up...

GUN WATCH: WI: Wisconsin Reaches 300,000 permits in Five Years; Homicide rate lower than Japan


The average number for 2012 was over 105,000. The average for 2013 was 175,000, and 223,000 for 2014, and 260,000 for 2015. In the first four full years of the permit system, one permit holder has been convicted of an unjustified homicide. I do not know of any homicide cases that are pending. One unjustified homicide for over 750,000 permit-years calculates to an annual homicide rate of less than .19 per 100,000 per year. It is similar to the rate for permit holders in Minnesota.

According to the FBI, the Wisconsin homicide rate for 2012 was 3.0, and 2.8 for 2013, and 2.9 for 2014.

The Wisconsin permit holders homicide rate is about 6.6% of the homicide rate for the state. The inference is clear. If you want to be safe, stay with a Wisconsin permit holder!

From wisn.com:
Wisconsin's Department of Justice has issued 300,000 concealed carry permits since the law went into effect in 2011.

The department says concealed carry applications have been at record high levels in recent months and the high interest shows no sign of subsiding. According to a news release, the department's Crime Information Bureau has processed more than 19,500 concealed carry applications since the start of this year alone, putting it on track to far outpace last year's 45,500 applications.

Part of the success of the Wisconsin permit system is that it does not require fingerprints or pictures. It uses the existing electronic background check system available to all police to check permit applications. It has a wide variety of options to meet the training requirements. The cost of the permit has been reduced from the original $50 to $40. It could drop further. Wisconsin law requires that permit revenues not be substantially higher than the administrative costs of the program. In a press release, the AG said that he was proud of the program's success.

No homicides in Green Bay in 2017 contributes to 10 percent drop in crime

GREEN BAY, Wis. (WFRV) - The Green Bay Police Department reports crime in the city dropped significantly last year - compared to the year before. Local 5's Kris Schuller has more on the numbers and reaction from residents who feel very safe living in Northeast Wisconsin.

If there's trouble within the Wilder Park neighborhood - Neighborhood Association President Scott Vanidestine says he can contact police and they'll respond quickly.

“They know the neighborhoods, they know what's going on. They take care of us out there,” said Vanidestine.

And based on just released uniform crime report numbers for the city of Green Bay for 2017 - the police department does a good job of taking care of the entire community.

“A 9.77 percent decrease in total crime in Green Bay is just fantastic, that's a number any chief across the country would be happy to have for crime numbers in their city,” said Police Chief Andrew Smith.

For violent crime robbery was down nearly 10 percent, rape nearly four and as for homicides, we'll there weren't any.

“We haven't done that since 1981 in Green Bay, so that's a terrific number for us as well,” said Smith.

Property crimes also saw significant reductions with burglary down 28 percent and theft down eight percent. Combined total crime in 2017 was down almost 10 percent when compared to 2016.
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Milwaukee police: Homicides down two years in a row

MILWAUKEE - The number of homicides in Milwaukee has decreased over the last two years, according to data from the Milwaukee Police Department.

According to the MPD, there were 119 homicides in 2017, down from 142 in 2016. In 2015 there were 147 homicides.
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Green bay...


Bucking national trend, violent crime down in the Green Bay area


In Green Bay, those type of crimes are down in the last year. They're down 13 percent over the past six years.
Even property crimes are decreasing. Police credit the community for driving these numbers down.
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[2aguy]

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

So why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth.

"They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research." So in 400 years we might all be safe. Good to know.

Chicago isn't safe because the democrat politicians at the ward level are working with the street gangs. Chicago politicians are keeping police resources out of their neighborhoods because they are working with the street gangs. Chicago judges, who are SJWs, keep releasing violent, repeat gun offenders back onto the streets......they then go out and shoot people...this is the problem.

The same dynamic is happening in St. Louis, democrat controlled, Baltimore, democrat controlled, D.C., democrat controlled, New Orleans, democrat controlled.

They refuse to lock up violent, repeat gun offenders. Why is that?

And yes, the CDC found that 1.1 million Americans, on average each year, use their guns to stop violent criminals.....imagine what the country would be like if they didn't have those guns...

Here...read up on Chicago's revolving door policy for known, repeat gun offenders...

and from the article below, why won't people help the police? Because the shooter they identify today, is back on the street, on bail tomorrow, or out of jail in less than 3 years.....would you identify a killer who will be back on your block in a matter of days?

The Real Reasons for Chicago's Deadly Crime Wave

Because it’s Chicago — where support from “the community” typically hovers near zero — police seldom identify any suspects, much less make arrests. In fact, CPD has made arrests in only 13% of homicides so far in 2018.
A casual glance through the confidential DSR reveals that virtually every victim of Chicago violence last weekend had gang ties. Either as a member of a gang or those (often young females) who hang out with gang members. The other glaring common thread: the victims themselves usually have criminal histories, too.

In fact, poring over the fifteen pages of incidents (pasted end to end, that’s over 10 feet of incidents), only 21 of the 78 victims did not have a criminal history. Meanwhile, those with arrest records garnered a total of 813 arrests between them.

Eight hundred thirteen arrests.

At the same time, Cook County’s infamous “catch and release” criminal justice system only managed to gain convictions in 120 of those 813 arrests.


For example, one 23-year-old Black P. Stone gang member who was shot in the gut had 35 arrests and zero convictions. One perforated 66-year-old had 55 arrests!


Another 32-year-old Four Corner Hustlers member, Charles Green, had 62 arrests, but he won’t re-offend. Not after he suffered multiple gunshot wounds that proved fatal. Green’s colorful past included arrests for dope, more dope, armed robbery, and a murder for which Cook County prosecutor Kim Foxx released him without charges.

Tip for the day, besides avoiding Chicago: mommas, don’t let your girls hang out with gang members. Otherwise, they can find themselves caught in the crossfire, and they don’t always survive.
Three young adult women without any criminal history or gang affiliations suffered gunshot wounds in a single incident at 1338 S. Millard Ave. Two offenders began shooting into “a large street gathering” wounding a total of seven. Tragically, a 17-year-old girl named Jahnae Patterson died there from a wound to her face.
--------------
Meanwhile, another victim at that same location, aged 14, remains in good condition. How terrible, you say? That same 14-year-old named Marion already has two arrests for car burglaries and a Strategic Subject List (SSL) score of 385. The SSL score serves to indicate potential future criminal behavior. As defined by the City of Chicago:

Another case caught my eye. The victim, Miguel, a 19-year-old Hispanic male, told police he saw some people who recognized him emerge from a convenience store. For some unknown reason (he says) they began chasing him in the 3900 block of S. Rockwell. In the alley behind the store, he heard gunshots and felt pain.

Before you start oozing sympathy for this poor teen, know that CPD says Miguel also moonlights as a Satan Disciples gang member and has built his SSL score to 500. With a SSL score that high, Darwin will probably catch up with him soon enough, assuming he survives this hospital visit.

But all these people have lots of guns, so why aren't they and Chicago safe? Do they need even more guns?

They are criminals with guns.....using them to shoot people to have power over them. Notice that as Law Abiding Citizens started to own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

If you have a criminal who uses a gun and you keep letting them out of jail regardless of the gun crime, they are going to shoot people......

Chicago just passed Concealed carry, they don't have any gun stores and no gun ranges in the city......law abiding citzens are the only ones who don't have guns...yet.

Chicago is only proof that what they're doing there isn't working and that they should try something else.

Yes....they need to try locking up known, repeat, violent gun offenders...

You still haven't explained how the U.S. gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, and the violent crime rate went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....17,2 million Americans carrying guns...

You keep ignoring that question.

 

[2aguy]

Yes. we care, you guys don't care you just want to take guns away from people who do not use them for crime.

We know what works, you don't. We know that if you lock up known, repeat.......to repeat, known and repeat, violent gun offenders who are the ones shooting people, the gun crime rate in democrat cities would go down. But what do your democrats do? They keep letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out on bail and out of jail...over and over again.

Why do they do that? Can you explain that?

So lock up and throw away the AFTER they've killed someone. Is that all you've got? Because that's laughable. We have almost the stiffest sentences in the world already.

Nope......you have seen my posts for the last few years....you know my plan which has been shown to work because this is the way Japan does it.


If you use a gun to commit a crime, rape, robbery, attempted murder....you go to prison for 30 years.

If you are a felon caught in possession of an illegal gun, you get 30 years.

If you commit murder with a gun, you get the death penalty.

The problem we have now is that left wing, SJW judges keep letting known, violent gun offenders out on bail, and out of jail...over and over again. The guy caught murdering someone today was carrying an illegal gun yesterday......and likely he was caught with that gun, went to court, and was released on bail, or was sentenced to less than 3 years, he gets out, and gets another illegal gun and murders someone.

The revolving door policy for gun criminals is fueling our gun violence, not law abiding citizens who own and carry guns for self defense. Lock up the violent repeat offenders caught in the commission of violent crime and you end the flood.

I don't disagree with keeping them in jail, but it still won't solve the gun problems in the US, we already lock up more people then anywhere else in the world.

Yes... it will solve the gun problem since 90% of those who commit murder are criminals with long histories of crime and violence.....allowing them out of jail over and over again gives them the chance to murder people....

Japan used to have violent Yakuza turf wars....they used guns and grenades, the last one was in 2006 and lasted 7 years...then, they increased the jail sentences for possession of an illegal gun.....and now Yakuza will not carry guns...

Here, in the states.....less than 3 years in prison for an illegal gun, or a violent crime with an illegal gun only gives the criminal more street cred....gives them a boost up in their gang.....they noticed this in Japan with their criminals...and long prison sentences stopped it...

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

Japan is a island full of pussies. That shit doesn't work here, people routinely get sent away for life, no parole, and shit keeps happening.

So.... you can't answer the question, you have been shown, again, that your belief that more guns = more crimes is factually untrue........so now you are just lobbing out crap...

 

[Rustic]

The vast majority of violent crime in this country is in urban progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws...
Firearms have nothing to do with violent crime

"extremely strict gun control laws" The laws don't work, time to try or find something new. Or let me guess, you don't care about violence in cities.

Yes. we care, you guys don't care you just want to take guns away from people who do not use them for crime.

We know what works, you don't. We know that if you lock up known, repeat.......to repeat, known and repeat, violent gun offenders who are the ones shooting people, the gun crime rate in democrat cities would go down. But what do your democrats do? They keep letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out on bail and out of jail...over and over again.

Why do they do that? Can you explain that?

So lock up and throw away the AFTER they've killed someone. Is that all you've got? Because that's laughable. We have almost the stiffest sentences in the world already.

Nope......you have seen my posts for the last few years....you know my plan which has been shown to work because this is the way Japan does it.


If you use a gun to commit a crime, rape, robbery, attempted murder....you go to prison for 30 years.

If you are a felon caught in possession of an illegal gun, you get 30 years.

If you commit murder with a gun, you get the death penalty.

The problem we have now is that left wing, SJW judges keep letting known, violent gun offenders out on bail, and out of jail...over and over again. The guy caught murdering someone today was carrying an illegal gun yesterday......and likely he was caught with that gun, went to court, and was released on bail, or was sentenced to less than 3 years, he gets out, and gets another illegal gun and murders someone.

The revolving door policy for gun criminals is fueling our gun violence, not law abiding citizens who own and carry guns for self defense. Lock up the violent repeat offenders caught in the commission of violent crime and you end the flood.

I don't disagree with keeping them in jail, but it still won't solve the gun problems in the US, we already lock up more people then anywhere else in the world.

The vast majority of violent criminals in this country are repeat offenders, How do you cut down violent crime? Execute the motherfuckers

 

[Rustic]

Yes....a dumb guy who built a world wide business empire, and as a political newbie, defeated the 16 professional Republican politicians including the Bush dynasty, and then defeated the clinton crime family and the obama chicago crime machine who both had the entire media complex behind them including hollywood......

That dumb guy beat them all and became the President....so how fucking smart are all those people he beat....?

It just shows that there are more dumb people in America ready to vote for an imbecile. That's all.

You mean the guy who destroyed isis after obama allowed them to take over half of Iraq? The guy who has the economy buzzing at 4.1% growth when obama said we should only expect 1% growth from now on? The guy who has helped put more minorities to work in this country, when obama didn't care? The guy who has increased wages by2.9% after only a year and a half? The guy who is getting Europe to pay for their own defense? The guy who didn't tell putin to wait till after the election when he would help him, but instead has blocked him at every step?

You mean that guy?

Don't recognize that person, did you just make all that up?

And that is why you can't be taken seriously.....

I don't deny that Trump has done some good and some bad, but he's a fucking non-class moron. But I am enjoying the show!

Lol
We had Obama for the past eight years totally classless shit stain.... so Shut the fuck up

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yep.....people keep going in and getting background checks, which likely means more and more people are buying guns...which is a good thing for a free society...

August NICS Background Checks Another New Record - The Truth About Guns

More guns sales doesn't equal more people. The number of people that actually own guns is still right around 40% and hasn't changed even with the gun sales skyrocketing. But the number of guns in the respective arsenals have increased exponentially. And there hasn't been one credible report that tells that more guns equals less crime. Stop making shit up.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yep, we're doing ggggrrrreat!!

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And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?

Not an easy question to answer. Especially to a mental midget like you. The number of people that own guns has NOT gone up since 1991 yet the amount of guns sold has gone up exponentially. So those two are not connected in any way. it's still the same percentage. But the crime rate has gone down. What has changed? People have changed, communities have changed, it's a social issue not a gun issue and always was. Even the CCW card holders only carry their guns about a fourth of the time for various reasons so the increase in CCW numbers aren't as high as you believe that are carrying on the street at any given time. You really believe I go outside to the local quick stop and want to take my sidearm? It's right down the friggin street. Or do I really want to go to the supermarket packing all the time? Do I want to work on my car in the driveway with that gun on my hip snagging on just about everything? Jogging, the gun chafes me. Now, if I am carrying a large amount of money, arm up, of course. Or if I am forced to go into a rough section of town, break out the iron. But most of the time, carrying that weapon is not only uncomfortable but just plain silly. My dick is already the right size.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Our numbers are still huge compared to other rich countries.

Yes.... our cultures are completely different which you never understand. Europe and Asia suffered massive population loss and massive societal desruction because of World War 2..... they lost 12 million innocent men, women and children, unarmed by the way, to the socialists, and they weren't war dead, they were simply murdered. It has taken a long time for their culture to recover from that destruction. It is now catching up with the United States. Their social welfare systems have finally managed to reach the point where single teenage girls can have male children without fathers to the point they are turning out violent sociopaths......just like Americans in democrat cities where the out of wedlock birth rate is over 75%......

That is why we have always had more murder than they have had, and now as our violent crime rates go down, theirs are now going up...even gun violence after they banned and confiscated guns.

They had a low gun murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns...that hasn't changed....our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate......and yet their violent crime rate is going up while ours is going down, as more Americans own and carry guns.

When our numbers don't still dwarf other rich countries, then come back and we'll talk.

Britain is already more violent than the U.S. and getting more violent by the day......

Again, you dodged the question, and the point.....

According to you, more guns = more gun crime. That is not happening in the United States...our gun crime rate is down 75%......can you understand that number.....down 75%, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our violent crime rate is down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. This shows that your argument for gun control is wrong, and not based in truth, facts or reality......

Can you explain why your argument is wrong?

Our gun rates are still sky high compared to other rich countries. When we get in their neighbourhood, you can come back and compare them.

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

There is absolutely NO Violence or Crime? I bet that a normal Urban area that is gainfully employed has at least as low a rate as any rural area. Stop making shit up.

 

[Rustic]

Yep.....people keep going in and getting background checks, which likely means more and more people are buying guns...which is a good thing for a free society...

August NICS Background Checks Another New Record - The Truth About Guns

More guns sales doesn't equal more people. The number of people that actually own guns is still right around 40% and hasn't changed even with the gun sales skyrocketing. But the number of guns in the respective arsenals have increased exponentially. And there hasn't been one credible report that tells that more guns equals less crime. Stop making shit up.

The vast majority of firearms owned in America are in Rural America, Were violent crime is almost nonexistent

 

[Rustic]

Yes.... our cultures are completely different which you never understand. Europe and Asia suffered massive population loss and massive societal desruction because of World War 2..... they lost 12 million innocent men, women and children, unarmed by the way, to the socialists, and they weren't war dead, they were simply murdered. It has taken a long time for their culture to recover from that destruction. It is now catching up with the United States. Their social welfare systems have finally managed to reach the point where single teenage girls can have male children without fathers to the point they are turning out violent sociopaths......just like Americans in democrat cities where the out of wedlock birth rate is over 75%......

That is why we have always had more murder than they have had, and now as our violent crime rates go down, theirs are now going up...even gun violence after they banned and confiscated guns.

They had a low gun murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns...that hasn't changed....our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate......and yet their violent crime rate is going up while ours is going down, as more Americans own and carry guns.

When our numbers don't still dwarf other rich countries, then come back and we'll talk.

Britain is already more violent than the U.S. and getting more violent by the day......

Again, you dodged the question, and the point.....

According to you, more guns = more gun crime. That is not happening in the United States...our gun crime rate is down 75%......can you understand that number.....down 75%, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our violent crime rate is down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. This shows that your argument for gun control is wrong, and not based in truth, facts or reality......

Can you explain why your argument is wrong?

Our gun rates are still sky high compared to other rich countries. When we get in their neighbourhood, you can come back and compare them.

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

There is absolutely NO Violence or Crime? I bet that a normal Urban area that is gainfully employed has at least as low a rate as any rural area. Stop making shit up.

Na, Firearms do not make people violent

 

[Daryl Hunt]

When our numbers don't still dwarf other rich countries, then come back and we'll talk.

Britain is already more violent than the U.S. and getting more violent by the day......

Again, you dodged the question, and the point.....

According to you, more guns = more gun crime. That is not happening in the United States...our gun crime rate is down 75%......can you understand that number.....down 75%, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our violent crime rate is down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. This shows that your argument for gun control is wrong, and not based in truth, facts or reality......

Can you explain why your argument is wrong?

Our gun rates are still sky high compared to other rich countries. When we get in their neighbourhood, you can come back and compare them.

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

You said that already. it's still nonsense.

I know the facts hurt you, An armed America is a polite America...
Buy more guns and ammo...

So we arm everyone on the street. Yah, that works. And we remove all the restriction where they can be armed. Now we have a bunch of angry drunks running around settling scores. And a drunk is more likely to hit innocents rather than his intended target. Welcome to Dallas Tx circa 1870.

 

[Rustic]

Britain is already more violent than the U.S. and getting more violent by the day......

Again, you dodged the question, and the point.....

According to you, more guns = more gun crime. That is not happening in the United States...our gun crime rate is down 75%......can you understand that number.....down 75%, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our violent crime rate is down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. This shows that your argument for gun control is wrong, and not based in truth, facts or reality......

Can you explain why your argument is wrong?

Our gun rates are still sky high compared to other rich countries. When we get in their neighbourhood, you can come back and compare them.

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

You said that already. it's still nonsense.

I know the facts hurt you, An armed America is a polite America...
Buy more guns and ammo...

So we arm everyone on the street. Yah, that works. And we remove all the restriction where they can be armed. Now we have a bunch of angry drunks running around settling scores. And a drunk is more likely to hit innocents rather than his intended target. Welcome to Dallas Tx circa 1870.

People kill people firms have nothing to do with it

 

[Daryl Hunt]

When our numbers don't still dwarf other rich countries, then come back and we'll talk.

Britain is already more violent than the U.S. and getting more violent by the day......

Again, you dodged the question, and the point.....

According to you, more guns = more gun crime. That is not happening in the United States...our gun crime rate is down 75%......can you understand that number.....down 75%, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our violent crime rate is down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. This shows that your argument for gun control is wrong, and not based in truth, facts or reality......

Can you explain why your argument is wrong?

Our gun rates are still sky high compared to other rich countries. When we get in their neighbourhood, you can come back and compare them.

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

There is absolutely NO Violence or Crime? I bet that a normal Urban area that is gainfully employed has at least as low a rate as any rural area. Stop making shit up.

Na, Firearms do not make people violent

People are naturally violent. We have tempers, anger issues etc.. We hate as hard as we love. When you cure that then more guns might be the answer. But count me out of that boring society. I like to Live and Hate and Love. It's called living.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Our gun rates are still sky high compared to other rich countries. When we get in their neighbourhood, you can come back and compare them.

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

You said that already. it's still nonsense.

I know the facts hurt you, An armed America is a polite America...
Buy more guns and ammo...

So we arm everyone on the street. Yah, that works. And we remove all the restriction where they can be armed. Now we have a bunch of angry drunks running around settling scores. And a drunk is more likely to hit innocents rather than his intended target. Welcome to Dallas Tx circa 1870.

People kill people firms have nothing to do with it

That makes absolutely no sense. Reread it and rewrite it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Prove it then.

Just look at Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc... All progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws. Basically like Third World countries in more ways than one

But if more guns is the answer, why aren't those cities the safest places on earth?

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

No explanation needed. The CDC got out of that business. It seems that they were found to be partisan in their research on that subject and told to stop doing that research. Besides, you have yet to present those CDC reports you keep claiming to exist other than File Not Found.

And the number of guns sold has increased but the percentage of people that own guns has remained the same since 1991. Therefore, there must be other reasons the crime rates have gone down.

 

[Rustic]

Just look at Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc... All progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws. Basically like Third World countries in more ways than one

But if more guns is the answer, why aren't those cities the safest places on earth?

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

No explanation needed. The CDC got out of that business. It seems that they were found to be partisan in their research on that subject and told to stop doing that research. Besides, you have yet to present those CDC reports you keep claiming to exist other than File Not Found.

And the number of guns sold has increased but the percentage of people that own guns has remained the same since 1991. Therefore, there must be other reasons the crime rates have gone down.

More firearms never equal more violent crime you fucking dumbass

 

[Skull Pilot]

Progressive ideals breeds violence… Fact

Prove it then.

Just look at Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc... All progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws. Basically like Third World countries in more ways than one

But if more guns is the answer, why aren't those cities the safest places on earth?

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if they do or not.

People have the right to own guns. That is all that matters

 

[Skull Pilot]

Just look at Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc... All progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws. Basically like Third World countries in more ways than one

But if more guns is the answer, why aren't those cities the safest places on earth?

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

No explanation needed. The CDC got out of that business. It seems that they were found to be partisan in their research on that subject and told to stop doing that research. Besides, you have yet to present those CDC reports you keep claiming to exist other than File Not Found.

And the number of guns sold has increased but the percentage of people that own guns has remained the same since 1991. Therefore, there must be other reasons the crime rates have gone down.

The CDC was never told to stop ding research on guns. All they were prevented from doing was spending money advocating gun control.

And there is no real accurate data on how many people own guns nor should there be

 

[Skull Pilot]

Just look at Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc... All progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws. Basically like Third World countries in more ways than one

But if more guns is the answer, why aren't those cities the safest places on earth?

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

So why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth.

"They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research." So in 400 years we might all be safe. Good to know.

Doesn't matter

Guns in the hands of law abiding people neither cause nor prevent crime

And as I have said before and as you have ignored violence in inner cities has nothing to do with guns.