Gun control vs. Terrorism (Dem hypocrisy)

Thank the bill Clinton crime bill and gun control.

What's happening now?

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year


Too bad for you we have the internet and actual facts.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year


Yes....you guys keep attacking the police and we get them not proactively policing the criminals...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year


Thanks to the Ferguson effect caused by people like you....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Ferguson is because of too many guns obviously. Our police shoot a lot of people because they are shot a lot. This doesn't happen with gun control.
 
Of course I do, why would you say that? You are bringing up a completely different issue. Such a lazy way of debating

Then why poo poo the fact that 5 times a many people are killed annually with knives than with rifles?

Clearly knives are the bigger threat to society than rifles
again, that isn't the argument... It is about the destructive power that we legally allow people to hold... Somebody storming a night club or concert with a knife may still kill a couple people but it wouldn't be anywhere near the damage they would do with a gun, or with an auto, or with a bomb... I think you understand

I am looking at annual totals.

Personally I don't think a murder that occurs in a mass shooting is any different from a murder that occurs any other time with any other weapon.

So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?
 
Back up your claim. We have the fullest jails in the world


California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

Your proof is something that hasn't passed?
We have the fullest jails in the world.

The reason we have the most people in prison is because of drugs.
Oh? How many are in prison for violent crimes?

BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses

So how does that compare to other countries?
 
Then why poo poo the fact that 5 times a many people are killed annually with knives than with rifles?

Clearly knives are the bigger threat to society than rifles
again, that isn't the argument... It is about the destructive power that we legally allow people to hold... Somebody storming a night club or concert with a knife may still kill a couple people but it wouldn't be anywhere near the damage they would do with a gun, or with an auto, or with a bomb... I think you understand

I am looking at annual totals.

Personally I don't think a murder that occurs in a mass shooting is any different from a murder that occurs any other time with any other weapon.

So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com
 
again, that isn't the argument... It is about the destructive power that we legally allow people to hold... Somebody storming a night club or concert with a knife may still kill a couple people but it wouldn't be anywhere near the damage they would do with a gun, or with an auto, or with a bomb... I think you understand

I am looking at annual totals.

Personally I don't think a murder that occurs in a mass shooting is any different from a murder that occurs any other time with any other weapon.

So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com


A group of knife-wielding men attacked a train station in southwestern China on Saturday,
 
again, that isn't the argument... It is about the destructive power that we legally allow people to hold... Somebody storming a night club or concert with a knife may still kill a couple people but it wouldn't be anywhere near the damage they would do with a gun, or with an auto, or with a bomb... I think you understand

I am looking at annual totals.

Personally I don't think a murder that occurs in a mass shooting is any different from a murder that occurs any other time with any other weapon.

So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.
 
I am looking at annual totals.

Personally I don't think a murder that occurs in a mass shooting is any different from a murder that occurs any other time with any other weapon.

So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?
 
So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.
 
So a mass murderer isn't worse than just a single murder? Right...


criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

When the weapons are illegal they can be stopped before people die.
Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release
 
criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.

Yeah......everyone noticed that you ignored the point about the French terrorists getting completely illegal, fully automatic military rifles and murdering 142 people.........here, I'll repeat it...

It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........
 

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.

Yeah......everyone noticed that you ignored the point about the French terrorists getting completely illegal, fully automatic military rifles and murdering 142 people.........here, I'll repeat it...

It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release
 
criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

When the weapons are illegal they can be stopped before people die.
Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release


Again....in France, terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists got weapons that are completely illegal...fully automatic rifles with 30 round magazines, and just as illegal pistols and grenades....and murdered 142 unarmed people....in a country that bans fully automatic military rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades....
 

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

When the weapons are illegal they can be stopped before people die.
Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release


Again....in France, terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists got weapons that are completely illegal...fully automatic rifles with 30 round magazines, and just as illegal pistols and grenades....and murdered 142 unarmed people....in a country that bans fully automatic military rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades....

And here he was stopped before killing anyone.

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release
 

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

When the weapons are illegal they can be stopped before people die.
Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release


Again....in France, terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists got weapons that are completely illegal...fully automatic rifles with 30 round magazines, and just as illegal pistols and grenades....and murdered 142 unarmed people....in a country that bans fully automatic military rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades....

And here he was stopped before killing anyone.

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release


So.........you are getting lazy and weak.....that is really lame...
 

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.

Yeah......everyone noticed that you ignored the point about the French terrorists getting completely illegal, fully automatic military rifles and murdering 142 people.........here, I'll repeat it...

It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release

So what is this supposed to prove?
 
Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

When the weapons are illegal they can be stopped before people die.
Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release


Again....in France, terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists got weapons that are completely illegal...fully automatic rifles with 30 round magazines, and just as illegal pistols and grenades....and murdered 142 unarmed people....in a country that bans fully automatic military rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades....

And here he was stopped before killing anyone.

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release


So.........you are getting lazy and weak.....that is really lame...
I like people not dying.
 
Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.

Yeah......everyone noticed that you ignored the point about the French terrorists getting completely illegal, fully automatic military rifles and murdering 142 people.........here, I'll repeat it...

It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release

So what is this supposed to prove?

If the weapon is illegal they can be stopped before people die.
 
California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

Your proof is something that hasn't passed?
We have the fullest jails in the world.

The reason we have the most people in prison is because of drugs.
Oh? How many are in prison for violent crimes?

BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses

So how does that compare to other countries?

I don't know and don't have time to look up statistics on every country. But as the stats point out, nearly half of our prison population is for drugs.
 
It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.

Yeah......everyone noticed that you ignored the point about the French terrorists getting completely illegal, fully automatic military rifles and murdering 142 people.........here, I'll repeat it...

It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

Man charged in mass shooting plot at Milwaukee Masonic center seeks release

So what is this supposed to prove?

If the weapon is illegal they can be stopped before people die.

So you are trying to prove something because ONE person got caught?
 
criminals murder more people than all of the mass shooters combined since 1982........so no, mass shooters are not the same problem....knives murder over 1,500 people every single year.....yet banning knives doesn't seem to be on your agenda, even though they are used to murder more people every year than all of the mass shootings since 1982...

What is the worst mass knifing?


Dumb ass....

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree - NBC News

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Imagine the numbers if they had rifles.


It would be bad since none of the law abiding people would have guns....just like in France...where fully automatic rifles are completely, and utterly, illegal........and terrorists, on government terrorists watch lists got a bunch of these completely illegal rifles, along with 30 round magazines, pistols and grenades...and murdered 142 people.....

In a country where fully automatic rifles are completely illegal........

You mean like that?

So it takes 15-20 knife wielding killers to do the damage of one guy with a rifle. Yeah too much firepower.

The two largest mass murders in this country were successful without one gun or one bullet.

If people want to kill, not getting a gun isn't going to stop them.
 

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