Gun Control - What's the Problem?

[Slade3200]

What gun laws do you support?

Background checks at all retail locations, Using Insta-check. But they have to improve it, right now it takes me 2 to 4 minutes to run a background check on the customer purchasing a firearm. Entirely too long it should take seconds at most for the customer to walk out with their purchase. Like a Visa card.
And that’s about it, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

You’re bitching about 2-4 minutes?! Haha. Ok princess.

lol
There is absolutely no reason for it to take that long, It’s wasting peoples time. Time is money...
But then again socialist don’t understand the concept of making your own living.
They are a bunch of fucking retards

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

 

[Slade3200]

What gun laws do you support?

the ones we already have the ones that aren't enforced

Cops say he had all of these guns and explosive ammo — a judge lets him go for $500
CWB Chicago: Cops say he had all of these guns and explosive ammo — a judge lets him go for $500

you want gun control? start locking up the ones that violate our gun laws not release them with a 500 dollar bail and a misdemeanor charge

So you support background checks, conceal and carry regulations, and auto restrictions that are currently in place? That’s interesting, you don’t act like it

do you support more gun laws even though we don't enforce the ones we already have?
do you want tough sentencing to discourage the breaking of are already existent gun laws even if it will disproportionately lock up minorities?

I don’t think gun regulations are the answer alone. I think improving our background check system would do some good so I’d support that, I think better counseling and education in schools is good and I’d support those efforts, I’d have to learn more about what’s happening in our criminal justice system in regards to how that’s going.

Improvided how? the system we have in place works its those that screw up that allows those that pass a background check that shouldn't
it's not a problem with the system the problem is with those running it

How well do you know the current system? Can you explain why you support it but not universal BG checks? What are the differentiators?

 

[Slade3200]

Nothing is ever going to solve the problem of gun violence, all we can do is try and help in as many areas as we can. Background checks force criminals and high risk individuals to get guns from illegal means. This makes it harder and more expensive for them and limits their options. It also narrows things for law enforcement who want to fight the underground gun market.

If we had no BG checks and no gun Regs then all that goes away and anybody can buy anything from any store that offers it. I personally don’t think that helps a thing, It can only hurt

I don't think background checks do all that much. Most people who want to commit a crime for the first time don't want a weapon that can be traced back to them in most cases, unless it's a mass shooting where suicide is part of the plan.

For people not legally allowed to buy or own a firearm, straw buyers seems to be the problem there, and I don't think we do enough to those people who are buying weapons on behalf of a felon.

See you make the case for me. You say, Criminals don’t buy guns from stores because they don’t want it traced to them or they won’t pass a BG check. That’s a good thing. The fact that we have the ability to trace and do background checks is a deterrent from allowing them easy access to weapons. Push them to the black market and make it easier for law enforcement to fight the good fight. It means the laws are working

Except law enforcement isn't doing their job when it comes to illegal guns.

And once again so called universal background checks won't change anything because criminals already get around that law

Why exactly do you oppose universal background checks? You support state BG checks right?

Because they are utterly unenforceable without a national registry and I will never be in favor of a gun registry.

Not a single criminal who can't legally buy s gun now will be affected by universal background checks

Do you feel the same about our current BG check system? Or is that also useless and should be done away with?

 

[Slade3200]

Background checks at all retail locations, Using Insta-check. But they have to improve it, right now it takes me 2 to 4 minutes to run a background check on the customer purchasing a firearm. Entirely too long it should take seconds at most for the customer to walk out with their purchase. Like a Visa card.
And that’s about it, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

You’re bitching about 2-4 minutes?! Haha. Ok princess.

lol
There is absolutely no reason for it to take that long, It’s wasting peoples time. Time is money...
But then again socialist don’t understand the concept of making your own living.
They are a bunch of fucking retards

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

You do know we are talking about the federal government here. The same people that spent two billion dollars on a healthcare site that Amazon could have had up and running for about a couple thousand bucks.

I agree with you there. That Ocare website was a joke and complete waste of money

 

[Blues Man]

I don't think background checks do all that much. Most people who want to commit a crime for the first time don't want a weapon that can be traced back to them in most cases, unless it's a mass shooting where suicide is part of the plan.

For people not legally allowed to buy or own a firearm, straw buyers seems to be the problem there, and I don't think we do enough to those people who are buying weapons on behalf of a felon.

See you make the case for me. You say, Criminals don’t buy guns from stores because they don’t want it traced to them or they won’t pass a BG check. That’s a good thing. The fact that we have the ability to trace and do background checks is a deterrent from allowing them easy access to weapons. Push them to the black market and make it easier for law enforcement to fight the good fight. It means the laws are working

Except law enforcement isn't doing their job when it comes to illegal guns.

And once again so called universal background checks won't change anything because criminals already get around that law

Why exactly do you oppose universal background checks? You support state BG checks right?

Because they are utterly unenforceable without a national registry and I will never be in favor of a gun registry.

Not a single criminal who can't legally buy s gun now will be affected by universal background checks

Do you feel the same about our current BG check system? Or is that also useless and should be done away with?

I have no problem with the current system
It's as good as it can be without a gun registry

But I also know that it really does not stop criminals from getting guns

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[Slade3200]

See you make the case for me. You say, Criminals don’t buy guns from stores because they don’t want it traced to them or they won’t pass a BG check. That’s a good thing. The fact that we have the ability to trace and do background checks is a deterrent from allowing them easy access to weapons. Push them to the black market and make it easier for law enforcement to fight the good fight. It means the laws are working

Except law enforcement isn't doing their job when it comes to illegal guns.

And once again so called universal background checks won't change anything because criminals already get around that law

Why exactly do you oppose universal background checks? You support state BG checks right?

Because they are utterly unenforceable without a national registry and I will never be in favor of a gun registry.

Not a single criminal who can't legally buy s gun now will be affected by universal background checks

Do you feel the same about our current BG check system? Or is that also useless and should be done away with?

I have no problem with the current system
It's as good as it can be without a gun registry

But I also know that it really does not stop criminals from getting guns

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Then why waste resources doing background checks? Why would you support repealing them all together?

 

[Rustic]

Background checks at all retail locations, Using Insta-check. But they have to improve it, right now it takes me 2 to 4 minutes to run a background check on the customer purchasing a firearm. Entirely too long it should take seconds at most for the customer to walk out with their purchase. Like a Visa card.
And that’s about it, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

You’re bitching about 2-4 minutes?! Haha. Ok princess.

lol
There is absolutely no reason for it to take that long, It’s wasting peoples time. Time is money...
But then again socialist don’t understand the concept of making your own living.
They are a bunch of fucking retards

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

 

[TRFjr]

the ones we already have the ones that aren't enforced

Cops say he had all of these guns and explosive ammo — a judge lets him go for $500
CWB Chicago: Cops say he had all of these guns and explosive ammo — a judge lets him go for $500

you want gun control? start locking up the ones that violate our gun laws not release them with a 500 dollar bail and a misdemeanor charge

So you support background checks, conceal and carry regulations, and auto restrictions that are currently in place? That’s interesting, you don’t act like it

do you support more gun laws even though we don't enforce the ones we already have?
do you want tough sentencing to discourage the breaking of are already existent gun laws even if it will disproportionately lock up minorities?

I don’t think gun regulations are the answer alone. I think improving our background check system would do some good so I’d support that, I think better counseling and education in schools is good and I’d support those efforts, I’d have to learn more about what’s happening in our criminal justice system in regards to how that’s going.

Improvided how? the system we have in place works its those that screw up that allows those that pass a background check that shouldn't
it's not a problem with the system the problem is with those running it

How well do you know the current system? Can you explain why you support it but not universal BG checks? What are the differentiators?

the current system allows states to either use the FBI provided check or use its own system or a combination of both
the problem with universal checks is first the FBI has proven incompetent
second, states they will have to provide the FBI with all its crime records giving the FBI to much power because then the FBI could use that information more than a data bank for background checks but for other nefarious reasons the FBI has proven they can't be trusted
third, it will give the federal government the information to be able to create a gun registry which would be used for gun confiscation

 

[Slade3200]

You’re bitching about 2-4 minutes?! Haha. Ok princess.

lol
There is absolutely no reason for it to take that long, It’s wasting peoples time. Time is money...
But then again socialist don’t understand the concept of making your own living.
They are a bunch of fucking retards

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

 

[Rustic]

lol
There is absolutely no reason for it to take that long, It’s wasting peoples time. Time is money...
But then again socialist don’t understand the concept of making your own living.
They are a bunch of fucking retards

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

Na, not really
They are always fucking around with me and my customers, What is really sad is most of my customers are military folk.
2 to 4 minutes is fucking ridiculous....

 

[Slade3200]

So you support background checks, conceal and carry regulations, and auto restrictions that are currently in place? That’s interesting, you don’t act like it

do you support more gun laws even though we don't enforce the ones we already have?
do you want tough sentencing to discourage the breaking of are already existent gun laws even if it will disproportionately lock up minorities?

I don’t think gun regulations are the answer alone. I think improving our background check system would do some good so I’d support that, I think better counseling and education in schools is good and I’d support those efforts, I’d have to learn more about what’s happening in our criminal justice system in regards to how that’s going.

Improvided how? the system we have in place works its those that screw up that allows those that pass a background check that shouldn't
it's not a problem with the system the problem is with those running it

How well do you know the current system? Can you explain why you support it but not universal BG checks? What are the differentiators?

the current system allows states to either use the FBI provided check or use its own system or a combination of both
the problem with universal checks is first the FBI has proven incompetent
second, states they will have to provide the FBI with all its crime records giving the FBI to much power because then the FBI could use that information more than a data bank for background checks but for other nefarious reasons the FBI has proven they can't be trusted
third, it will give the federal government the information to be able to create a gun registry which would be used for gun confiscation

Thanks for explaining that. Would I be correct to assume it’s your last two points that bring the real concern?

I’d think that if you support background checks, which it sounds like you do because they indeed are effective... you’d want the most comprehensive database and widespread access to info.

I’d also think that your security concerns could be addressed through encryption. Tech can do great things now a days. One thing the gov needs to catch up on

 

[Slade3200]

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

Na, not really
They are always fucking around with me and my customers, What is really sad is most of my customers are military folk.
2 to 4 minutes is fucking ridiculous....

2 to 4 minutes is nothing. Many people want days and weeks

 

[Rustic]

do you support more gun laws even though we don't enforce the ones we already have?
do you want tough sentencing to discourage the breaking of are already existent gun laws even if it will disproportionately lock up minorities?

I don’t think gun regulations are the answer alone. I think improving our background check system would do some good so I’d support that, I think better counseling and education in schools is good and I’d support those efforts, I’d have to learn more about what’s happening in our criminal justice system in regards to how that’s going.

Improvided how? the system we have in place works its those that screw up that allows those that pass a background check that shouldn't
it's not a problem with the system the problem is with those running it

How well do you know the current system? Can you explain why you support it but not universal BG checks? What are the differentiators?

the current system allows states to either use the FBI provided check or use its own system or a combination of both
the problem with universal checks is first the FBI has proven incompetent
second, states they will have to provide the FBI with all its crime records giving the FBI to much power because then the FBI could use that information more than a data bank for background checks but for other nefarious reasons the FBI has proven they can't be trusted
third, it will give the federal government the information to be able to create a gun registry which would be used for gun confiscation

Thanks for explaining that. Would I be correct to assume it’s your last two points that bring the real concern?

I’d think that if you support background checks, which it sounds like you do because they indeed are effective... you’d want the most comprehensive database and widespread access to info.

I’d also think that your security concerns could be addressed through encryption. Tech can do great things now a days. One thing the gov needs to catch up on

The fucking FBI needs to mind their own fucking business, They do live in an glass House

 

[Rustic]

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

Na, not really
They are always fucking around with me and my customers, What is really sad is most of my customers are military folk.
2 to 4 minutes is fucking ridiculous....

2 to 4 minutes is nothing. Many people want days and weeks

Lol
Days or weeks is unconstitutional and not in anyway right

 

[Rustic]

If the FBI was the least bit competent, it would only takes seconds or less to run a background check on anybody. But no doubt they want days and weeks so they can fuck around with peoples rights.
Like all high level civilian federal employees they are fucking corrupt to the core.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

Na, not really
They are always fucking around with me and my customers, What is really sad is most of my customers are military folk.
2 to 4 minutes is fucking ridiculous....

2 to 4 minutes is nothing. Many people want days and weeks

Now that's a good idea. A woman breaks up with her boyfriend or husband who threatens to kill her. She buys a gun and has to wait weeks to get it. What does she do in the meantime?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh I see so the socialists but a blocker in There to extend the wait to 4 minutes. Those sneaky little bugars!

Lol
It should be like running a visa card, there’s no reason for to take any longer than a few seconds. But then again the deep state is all kinds of fucked up

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

Na, not really
They are always fucking around with me and my customers, What is really sad is most of my customers are military folk.
2 to 4 minutes is fucking ridiculous....

I don't know about that. I remember when I bought my first gun and had to wait for several minutes. In that time I walked around the gun store and found a holster that I liked and added it on to the bill.

I don't know what you sell at your shop, but maybe having people wait can lead to more sales.

 

[Slade3200]

I don’t think gun regulations are the answer alone. I think improving our background check system would do some good so I’d support that, I think better counseling and education in schools is good and I’d support those efforts, I’d have to learn more about what’s happening in our criminal justice system in regards to how that’s going.

Improvided how? the system we have in place works its those that screw up that allows those that pass a background check that shouldn't
it's not a problem with the system the problem is with those running it

How well do you know the current system? Can you explain why you support it but not universal BG checks? What are the differentiators?

the current system allows states to either use the FBI provided check or use its own system or a combination of both
the problem with universal checks is first the FBI has proven incompetent
second, states they will have to provide the FBI with all its crime records giving the FBI to much power because then the FBI could use that information more than a data bank for background checks but for other nefarious reasons the FBI has proven they can't be trusted
third, it will give the federal government the information to be able to create a gun registry which would be used for gun confiscation

Thanks for explaining that. Would I be correct to assume it’s your last two points that bring the real concern?

I’d think that if you support background checks, which it sounds like you do because they indeed are effective... you’d want the most comprehensive database and widespread access to info.

I’d also think that your security concerns could be addressed through encryption. Tech can do great things now a days. One thing the gov needs to catch up on

The fucking FBI needs to mind their own fucking business, They do live in an glass House

A risky the whole persuade of their organization is to dig into other people’s business. That’s literally their own business. Love the quote by the way... haha

That’s like the Masseuse needs to keep her hands to herself.

 

[Slade3200]

Construct the software to do it and sell it. You’ll be a millionaire!

The fucking FBI is the bottle neck, Overpaid shit stains

Sounds like your just talking out of your ass as usual

Na, not really
They are always fucking around with me and my customers, What is really sad is most of my customers are military folk.
2 to 4 minutes is fucking ridiculous....

2 to 4 minutes is nothing. Many people want days and weeks

Now that's a good idea. A woman breaks up with her boyfriend or husband who threatens to kill her. She buys a gun and has to wait weeks to get it. What does she do in the meantime?

I never said I supported that idea. I will give you the counter argument though.

A woman breaks up with her boyfriend who wants to kill her and he goes to a gun store in a rage to get a gun to do just that. The waiting period gives him a chance to cool his jets.

 

[Rigby5]

do you support more gun laws even though we don't enforce the ones we already have?
do you want tough sentencing to discourage the breaking of are already existent gun laws even if it will disproportionately lock up minorities?

I don’t think gun regulations are the answer alone. I think improving our background check system would do some good so I’d support that, I think better counseling and education in schools is good and I’d support those efforts, I’d have to learn more about what’s happening in our criminal justice system in regards to how that’s going.

Improvided how? the system we have in place works its those that screw up that allows those that pass a background check that shouldn't
it's not a problem with the system the problem is with those running it

How well do you know the current system? Can you explain why you support it but not universal BG checks? What are the differentiators?

the current system allows states to either use the FBI provided check or use its own system or a combination of both
the problem with universal checks is first the FBI has proven incompetent
second, states they will have to provide the FBI with all its crime records giving the FBI to much power because then the FBI could use that information more than a data bank for background checks but for other nefarious reasons the FBI has proven they can't be trusted
third, it will give the federal government the information to be able to create a gun registry which would be used for gun confiscation

Thanks for explaining that. Would I be correct to assume it’s your last two points that bring the real concern?

I’d think that if you support background checks, which it sounds like you do because they indeed are effective... you’d want the most comprehensive database and widespread access to info.

I’d also think that your security concerns could be addressed through encryption. Tech can do great things now a days. One thing the gov needs to catch up on

That makes no sense because background checks have been proven to be totally ineffective.
Most mass murders, for example, were committed by people who passed background checks with not problem.
In fact, one of the worst mass murders was Paddock, who actually had a federal firearms license.

I personally believe in privacy, so I have only once bought a firearm through a background check.
No one who wants to commit a crime ever has to go through a background check because like illegal drugs, there are lots of people willing to sell illegal guns as well.

So all universal background checks do is provide the BATF with a list of all legal gun purchases, and none of the illegal ones. Totally useless unless you intend to illegally start confiscating firearms from legal owners.

And your suggestion of encryption makes no sense. The only people we do not want to know who the gun owners are, are the BATF. And obviously if you encrypt the database run by the BATF, that is not going to prevent BATF access because they will have to be the ones to create the encryption scheme.
But you also have it backwards, in that the government, through DOD funded projects, has created almost all the computer technology. The DOD created the internet for example, originally called DARPANET. Encryption and decryption is what the DOD originally created computers for, in the 1940s.