Gun Control - What's the Problem?

[jc456]

How many?

And every sale brokered by anyone with a federal firearms license is subject to a background check and FYI that is the vast majority of gun purchases

The "vast majority" leaves hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) sold without background checks.

And you think another law will change that?

Can you spell naive?

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How many mass shootings do we endure and not do anything?? Can you spell stupid?

So how does a new background check law stop a mass shooting?

So far haven't most mass shooters been able to pass a background check?

And if they can't pass a background check do you think that will stop them from illegally obtaining a gun?

How about getting weapons of mass destruction off the streets Or will NRA spank Trump again if he dares suggest it?

no such weapon exists.

 

[Blues Man]

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

If all guns are registered and there are background checks on all sales...it becomes a LOT harder to engage in straw sales.

If your gun (that is registered to you) turns up in a crime...you have to answer for that. If a LOT of your guns turn up in crimes...you have a lot of answers to provide

So how are you going to register the 393000000 guns in the hands of private citizens now?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

If all guns are registered and there are background checks on all sales...it becomes a LOT harder to engage in straw sales.

If your gun (that is registered to you) turns up in a crime...you have to answer for that. If a LOT of your guns turn up in crimes...you have a lot of answers to provide

No...it doesn't....but thanks for admitting that Universal background checks are just a necessary step for gun registration..... so please.....tell the other gun grabbers to stop lying about it.

And that isn't how the police solve crimes......

Canada Tried Registering Long Guns -- And Gave Up

15 million guns.....1 billion dollars...and it didn't work....



The law passed and starting in 1998 Canadians were required to have a license to own firearms and register their weapons with the government. According to Canadian researcher (and gun enthusiast) Gary Mauser, the Canada Firearms Center quickly rose to 600 employees and the cost of the effort climbed past $600 million. In 2002 Canada’s auditor general released a report saying initial cost estimates of $2 million (Canadian) had increased to $1 billion as the government tried to register the estimated 15 million guns owned by Canada’s 34 million residents.

The registry was plagued with complications like duplicate serial numbers and millions of incomplete records, Mauser reports. One person managed to register a soldering gun, demonstrating the lack of precise standards. And overshadowing the effort was the suspicion of misplaced effort: Pistols were used in 66% of gun homicides in 2011, yet they represent about 6% of the guns in Canada. Legal long guns were used in 11% of killings that year, according to Statistics Canada, while illegal weapons like sawed-off shotguns and machine guns, which by definition cannot be registered, were used in another 12%.

So the government was spending the bulk of its money — about $17 million of the Firearms Center’s $82 million annual budget — trying to register long guns when the statistics showed they weren’t the problem.

There was also the question of how registering guns was supposed to reduce crime and suicide in the first place. From 1997 to 2005, only 13% of the guns used in homicides were registered. Police studies in Canada estimated that 2-16% of guns used in crimes were stolen from legal owners and thus potentially in the registry. The bulk of the guns, Canadian officials concluded, were unregistered weapons imported illegally from the U.S. by criminal gangs.

Finally in 2011, conservatives led by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper voted to abolish the long-gun registry and destroy all its records. Liberals argued the law had contributed to the decline in gun homicides since it was passed. But Mauser notes that gun homicides have actually been rising in recent years, from 151 in 1999 to 173 in 2009, as violent criminal gangs use guns in their drug turf wars and other disputes. As in the U.S., most gun homicides in Canada are committed by young males, many of them with criminal records. In the majority of homicides involving young males, the victim and the killer are know each other.



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3/24/18



Ten Myths Of The Long Gun Registry | Canadian Shooting Sports Association


Myth #4: Police investigations are aided by the registry.
Doubtful. Information contained in the registry is incomplete and unreliable. Due to the inaccuracy of the information, it cannot be used as evidence in court and the government has yet to prove that it has been a contributing factor in any investigation. Another factor is the dismal compliance rate (estimated at only 50%) for licensing and registration which further renders the registry useless. Some senior police officers have stated as such: “The law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we know to have been used were registered ... the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives.” Former Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino, January 2003.




3/24/18



https://www.quora.com/In-countries-...olved-at-least-in-part-by-use-of-the-registry



Tracking physical objects that are easily transferred with a database is non-trivial problem. Guns that are stolen, loaned, or lost disappear from the registry. The data is has to be manually entered and input mistakes will both leak guns and generate false positive results.

Registries don’t solve straw-purchases. If someone goes through all of the steps to register a gun and simply gives it to a criminal that gun becomes unregistered. Assuming the gun is ever recovered you could theoretically try and prosecute the person who transferred the gun to the criminal, but you aren’t solving the crime you were trying to. Remember that people will prostitute themselves or even their children for drugs, so how much deterrence is there in a maybe-get-a-few-years for straw purchasing?

Registries are expensive. Canada’s registry was pitched as costing the taxpayer $2 million and the rest of the costs were to be payed for with registration fees. It was subject to massive cost overruns that were not being met by registrations fees. When the program was audited in 2002 the program was expected to cost over $1 billion and that the fee revenue was only expected to be $140 million.

No gun recovered. If no gun was recovered at the scene of the crime then your registry isn’t even theoretically helping, let alone providing a practical tool. You need a world where criminals meticulously register their guns and leave them at the crime scene for a registry to start to become useful.

Say I have a registered gun, and a known associate of mine was shot and killed. Ballistics is able to determine that my known associate was killed with the same make and model as the gun I registered. A registry doesn’t prove that my gun was used, or that I was the one doing the shooting. I was a suspect as soon as we said “known associate” and the police will then being looking for motive and checking for my alibi.

All they do is lie.

We can't trust these fuckers ONE INCH.

Any proposal should be immediately shot down, and armed rebellion if they try to force anything.

We have local sheriffs willing to NOT enforce any bullshit, so there is active local resistance.


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[jc456]

how about shutting leftfks up!!

 

[edward37]

The "vast majority" leaves hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) sold without background checks.

And you think another law will change that?

Can you spell naive?

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How many mass shootings do we endure and not do anything?? Can you spell stupid?

So how does a new background check law stop a mass shooting?

So far haven't most mass shooters been able to pass a background check?

And if they can't pass a background check do you think that will stop them from illegally obtaining a gun?

How about getting weapons of mass destruction off the streets Or will NRA spank Trump again if he dares suggest it?

A semiautomatic rifle is just a rifle nothing more

Your histrionics and hyperbole do not change that fact

So let me get this straight Your solution has nothing to do with guns just the mentally ill? Seems that's trumps solution After talking wit NRA

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

If all guns are registered and there are background checks on all sales...it becomes a LOT harder to engage in straw sales.

If your gun (that is registered to you) turns up in a crime...you have to answer for that. If a LOT of your guns turn up in crimes...you have a lot of answers to provide

So how are you going to register the 393000000 guns in the hands of private citizens now?

That's a conservative estimate. I think it's closer to 600000000.

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[jc456]

And you think another law will change that?

Can you spell naive?

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How many mass shootings do we endure and not do anything?? Can you spell stupid?

So how does a new background check law stop a mass shooting?

So far haven't most mass shooters been able to pass a background check?

And if they can't pass a background check do you think that will stop them from illegally obtaining a gun?

How about getting weapons of mass destruction off the streets Or will NRA spank Trump again if he dares suggest it?

A semiautomatic rifle is just a rifle nothing more

Your histrionics and hyperbole do not change that fact

So let me get this straight Your solution has nothing to do with guns just the mentally ill? Seems that's trumps solution After talking wit NRA

what do guns have to do with this? explain.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

And you think another law will change that?

Can you spell naive?

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How many mass shootings do we endure and not do anything?? Can you spell stupid?

So how does a new background check law stop a mass shooting?

So far haven't most mass shooters been able to pass a background check?

And if they can't pass a background check do you think that will stop them from illegally obtaining a gun?

How about getting weapons of mass destruction off the streets Or will NRA spank Trump again if he dares suggest it?

A semiautomatic rifle is just a rifle nothing more

Your histrionics and hyperbole do not change that fact

So let me get this straight Your solution has nothing to do with guns just the mentally ill? Seems that's trumps solution After talking wit NRA

The guns are not the problem.

There are at least 390,000,000 guns in private hands and 389,967,000 of them are not involved in any harm to humans. 99.9915% of all guns in private hands are safe.

That is the LAST place we should start with numbers like that.

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[jc456]

How many mass shootings do we endure and not do anything?? Can you spell stupid?

So how does a new background check law stop a mass shooting?

So far haven't most mass shooters been able to pass a background check?

And if they can't pass a background check do you think that will stop them from illegally obtaining a gun?

How about getting weapons of mass destruction off the streets Or will NRA spank Trump again if he dares suggest it?

A semiautomatic rifle is just a rifle nothing more

Your histrionics and hyperbole do not change that fact

So let me get this straight Your solution has nothing to do with guns just the mentally ill? Seems that's trumps solution After talking wit NRA

The guns are not the problem.

There are at least 390,000,000 guns in private hands and 389,967,000 of them are not involved in any harm to humans. 99.9915% of all guns in private hands are safe.

That is the LAST place we should start with numbers like that.

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i'm still waiting for the fk to say what a gun did.

 

[hadit]

are you under the mistaken opinion that Universal Background Checks would stop that?

I'm under the impression that Universal Background checks is an absolute necessity...and so the majority of the nation

Then you are a fool.

Only fool that doesn't know that is you

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

 

[dblack]

I'm under the impression that Universal Background checks is an absolute necessity...and so the majority of the nation

Then you are a fool.

Only fool that doesn't know that is you

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

Exactly. "If it saves one life, it's worth it" has been trotted around as a given for too long. Often, it's just not.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'm under the impression that Universal Background checks is an absolute necessity...and so the majority of the nation

Then you are a fool.

Only fool that doesn't know that is you

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

And THAT proves the motives are not safety-driven. They are power-driven.

Say no, to gun control. All of it.

Repeal.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

How many?

And every sale brokered by anyone with a federal firearms license is subject to a background check and FYI that is the vast majority of gun purchases

The "vast majority" leaves hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) sold without background checks.

And you think another law will change that?

Can you spell naive?

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How many mass shootings do we endure and not do anything?? Can you spell stupid?

So how does a new background check law stop a mass shooting?

So far haven't most mass shooters been able to pass a background check?

And if they can't pass a background check do you think that will stop them from illegally obtaining a gun?

How about getting weapons of mass destruction off the streets Or will NRA spank Trump again if he dares suggest it?

What do you consider a WMD?

 

[jc456]

Then you are a fool.

Only fool that doesn't know that is you

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

Exactly. "If it saves one life, it's worth it" has been trotted around as a given for too long. Often, it's just not.

for every one life five die. stats aren't in your favor. you should actually do research.

 

[dblack]

Only fool that doesn't know that is you

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

Exactly. "If it saves one life, it's worth it" has been trotted around as a given for too long. Often, it's just not.

for every one life five die. stats aren't in your favor. you should actually do research.

Can you restate that in standard English?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then you are a fool.

Only fool that doesn't know that is you

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

when is the last time a person used a firearm in a mass shooting, without passing a background check.

you want to fix the problem, fix background check.

Universal won't do it, despite what your masters say

How? Trumps masters at the NRA forbade him ""First he said he would ,then he won't ""

I think he does that just to piss you leftists off.

 

[jc456]

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

if you do, you 're a fool.

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

Exactly. "If it saves one life, it's worth it" has been trotted around as a given for too long. Often, it's just not.

for every one life five die. stats aren't in your favor. you should actually do research.

Can you restate that in standard English?

for every one life five die. stats aren't in your favor. you should actually do research.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

If all guns are registered and there are background checks on all sales...it becomes a LOT harder to engage in straw sales.

If your gun (that is registered to you) turns up in a crime...you have to answer for that. If a LOT of your guns turn up in crimes...you have a lot of answers to provide

Isn't that what we do now?

 

[dblack]

IF it saves ONE life ONE mass shooting it'd be worth it and I'm sure there'd be more than just one

I don't buy that argument, as it is false on its face. Society has always placed a value on life, and those who use this argument always do it for things that won't effect them personally.

We could save tens of thousands of lives every year if we simply made it impossible for any vehicle to travel faster than maybe 30mph. We won't do that, because we value being able to drive fast over the lives lost.

We could save many lives every year if we simply closed swimming pool access to children and banned private ownership of pools. We won't do that, because we value playing in water over the lives lost.

And on it goes. Sure, if you don't own guns, it's easy to say it's worth it if one life is saved, but are you willing to save lives if it impacts you directly?

Exactly. "If it saves one life, it's worth it" has been trotted around as a given for too long. Often, it's just not.

for every one life five die. stats aren't in your favor. you should actually do research.

Can you restate that in standard English?

for every one life five die. stats aren't in your favor. you should actually do research.

Huh... ok. Well I can't make heads or tails out of that. Sorry.

 

[jc456]

You think crips, bloods, etc are going to get background checks done?

you think the people that steal guns for resale are going to require a background check?

If all guns are registered and there are background checks on all sales...it becomes a LOT harder to engage in straw sales.

If your gun (that is registered to you) turns up in a crime...you have to answer for that. If a LOT of your guns turn up in crimes...you have a lot of answers to provide

Isn't that what we do now?

yep. serial number is logged to the person buying the gun. Yep!!