Gun Debate Illustrates Two Different Americas

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No thanks.

Then, get used to guns. You are not going to change our minds.

 

[Brain357]

yeah why would we want to make them reload often...

 

[Brain357]

No thanks.

Then, get used to guns. You are not going to change our minds.

Don't have to change your mind dumbass. Just the majority. Lots of young kids going to be voting against you and your stupidity soon.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But you are not comparing the people.

We are a very diverse country. Some of our groups are much more violent than others.

Take minorities out of our crime statistics, and you'll find out that we are much closer in comparison of crimes to those other white countries.

Bottom line is that it's not the guns--it's the people. The people are the problem here just like anywhere else in the world.

New York has maintained strong gun control and crime is going down. The country goes stupid with concealed carry and crime is increasing. Where else are law enforcement regularly killed? Where else are there regular mass shootings? Too many guns.

Then Chicago must be the safest place to walk around at night.

And they don't exactly have a wall to keep guns out, easy to go in and out of a city.

But I thought you said it was laws that were working. NYC doesn't have walls either.

And federal laws work even better. When was the last school shooting in the UK?

Powerful remarks, and no doubt heartfelt. But a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Tommy Gun 100-Round Drum:

Available in the 1920s if I recall correctly.

 

[Brain357]

40 years ago AR15's were not common, nor were high capacity magazines. And we've always had more mass shootings than countries with strong gun control. It's getting worse with more firepower.

Oh

My

GOD

you are a fucking idiot.

We had access to STATE OF THE ART military assault rifles.

YOu think high-cap mags are new?

Ever seen a 100 round drum for a Thompson Sub Machine Gun???

Please get the fuck out of my country, you Eurotrash communist.

I said they weren't common, try to keep up.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Don't have to change your mind dumbass. Just the majority. Lots of young kids going to be voting against you and your stupidity soon

Not even worth the response. You're going on ignore.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I said they weren't common, try to keep up.

You are so full of shit.

 

[Brain357]

New York has maintained strong gun control and crime is going down. The country goes stupid with concealed carry and crime is increasing. Where else are law enforcement regularly killed? Where else are there regular mass shootings? Too many guns.

Then Chicago must be the safest place to walk around at night.

And they don't exactly have a wall to keep guns out, easy to go in and out of a city.

But I thought you said it was laws that were working. NYC doesn't have walls either.

And federal laws work even better. When was the last school shooting in the UK?

Powerful remarks, and no doubt heartfelt. But a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Lott? That is too funny.

Who Is Behind the Lie That More Guns Makes Us Safe?
Furthermore, a panel of 16 researchers assembled by the National Academy of Science’s National Research Council studied Lott’s theory. Fifteen found there was “no credible evidence” for his theory.

 

[Brain357]

I said they weren't common, try to keep up.

You are so full of shit.

Seems you are full of shit, what about that ignore?

 

[DOTR]

Democrats are born liars, so they tell us their are avid shooters and also have multiple guns in their home. I file those claims along with the libs that tell me they have their own business, work from home, or are independently wealthy, yet want government to take more money from them.

You’ve noticed that too.

“I’m a white guy BUT...”
“I am married 67 years BUT support gay marriage and divorce...”
“I’m really rich BUT wish the government would tax rich people more”

It is part of the mental illness known as liberalism. Not that they say it but that they think it convincing...because it would convince them.

Remember Al Gores imaginary rich friend who called him up and begged for higher taxes according to him? These people fall for it! So they think it will convince you.

 

[MaryL]

Back when I was a first year college student, I was taught the definition of a nation. Among other things, that definition showed a nation as being a single culture. But in America today, with respect to the subject of guns, we have 2 separate cultures. Those who like (and appreciate) them, and those who despise and fear them.

On USMB, I've heard gun owners referred to as "gun nuts", "gun freaks", etc. They're sometimes referred to as "the gun culture". Well, just as easily, those who dislike/fear guns, could be called the Anti-gun culture.

Perhaps this dichotomy has a relation to how Americans begin adulthood. Millions of high school kids go straight to college, never spending a minute in the military, or anywhere getting introduced to firearms. Most have never even touched a real gun, much less receive training on it. Making things worse, is that college teachers, who also never touched a gun, and whose left-wing political bearings, make them automatic gun opponents.

Millions of other kids bypass college entirely, and go straight into the military, after high school. Unlike the college kids, these young soldiers, sailors, marines, etc. aren't exposed to the leftist propaganda so prolific on college campuses, but they do have lots of introductions to firearms, thereby becoming familiar with and knowledgable of them. So, for the major pars of their adult lives (after college or the military), America is divided generally, into these 2 very differing groups.

Having spent 6 years in the US Army and Army National Guard, and then attending college for 4 years, I noticed a huge gap in gun perception in this 2 groups. I was often taken aback, sometimes humored, by the stiff and robotic way that my college cohorts perceived just the thought of guns. The college kids, with no direct exposure to guns, and lots of indoctrination against them, actually though that the only people to ordinarily possess a gun were police and criminals.

They really thought that if you weren't a cop or military person, you shouldn't have a gun, and had no idea why anyone else would. In contrast, my former Army National Guard buddies had whole collections guns, of various types, each suited for various purposes. They could take apart their M4A1s, M-14s, AR-15s, clean them, and put them back together blindfolded, in accordance with their military training.

How disconcerting it is to hear education system people worrying about things happening with guns in schools, when these fears emanate mostly from ignorance of guns, and how to handle and secure them. Equally perplexing and disturbing is their amazing lack of worry about the danger of guns not being there (in the schools), for the very necessary PROTECTION they provide.

Those who speak about the "gun culture" should do some self-examination, with regard to the anti-gun culture, and the hows and whys of its existence.

Were in gods green earth, are YOU from? We are being overwhelmed with Mexicans that ignore immigration laws, gays that NEED to get married. And somewhere in the middle of this are weirdos shooting up innocent people. What is truly disconcerting is Americans defending broken mindsets, hire lawyers to make that seem legitimate, and talk about "rights". I call that deluded.

 

[Brain357]

The Tommy Gun 100-Round Drum:

Available in the 1920s if I recall correctly.

Those were heavily regulated even 40 years ago moron. Since being heavily regulated they are very rare in crime. Gun control works.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then Chicago must be the safest place to walk around at night.

And they don't exactly have a wall to keep guns out, easy to go in and out of a city.

But I thought you said it was laws that were working. NYC doesn't have walls either.

And federal laws work even better. When was the last school shooting in the UK?

Powerful remarks, and no doubt heartfelt. But a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Lott? That is too funny.

Who Is Behind the Lie That More Guns Makes Us Safe?
Furthermore, a panel of 16 researchers assembled by the National Academy of Science’s National Research Council studied Lott’s theory. Fifteen found there was “no credible evidence” for his theory.

This is a story about permits. What does that have to do with what I posted?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Looks like confiscation and ban is the true objective. They just need to get a majority and we are all screwed.

Anyone who likes guns better not EVER vote Democrat.

 

[Brain357]

And they don't exactly have a wall to keep guns out, easy to go in and out of a city.

But I thought you said it was laws that were working. NYC doesn't have walls either.

And federal laws work even better. When was the last school shooting in the UK?

Powerful remarks, and no doubt heartfelt. But a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Lott? That is too funny.

Who Is Behind the Lie That More Guns Makes Us Safe?
Furthermore, a panel of 16 researchers assembled by the National Academy of Science’s National Research Council studied Lott’s theory. Fifteen found there was “no credible evidence” for his theory.

This is a story about permits. What does that have to do with what I posted?

It proves your source is a complete joke. He claims more guns equals less crime. Yet with the most concealed carry ever what is happening?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Lott’s data and honesty have been repeatedly called into question by other academics. In one case, he claimed to have done a survey that found in 98 percent of cases when a weapon is used in self-defense, it was only brandished and not fired. When other academics asked for his data, Lott claimed he lost it as the result of a catastrophic hard drive crash.

 

[Brain357]

Looks like confiscation and ban is the true objective. They just need to get a majority and we are all screwed.

Anyone who likes guns better not EVER vote Democrat.

Regulating guns for mass shooting is not confiscation and ban princess, nice try though.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If you value gun ownership, never vote Democrat.

 

[Brain357]

If you value gun ownership, never vote Democrat.

Reduced to the false claims of coming for all your guns. Sad.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The DNC (communist party) is all in on complete ban and confiscation. Never vote for democrats....EVER!!!

We have seen the truth behind their agenda.