Guns

[Woodznutz]

The notion of possessing guns to ‘defend against’ government is as ridiculous as it is wrong and devoid of merit.

There’s nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment that authorizes insurrectionist dogma.

The Second Amendment doesn’t ‘trump’ the First – it doesn’t take from the people the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances through the political or judicial process.

It does not authorize lawless armed insurrection against a government constitutionally elected reflecting the will of the people.

It does not authorize lawless armed insurrection against a government subjectively and incorrectly perceived to have become ‘tyrannical’ by a minority of armed insurrectionists.

The Framers did not amend the Constitution to authorize the destruction of the Republic they had just created.

Our government is in a state of de facto tyranny right now. If armed revolution happens it will be justified.

 

[Woodznutz]

The only responsibility people have to society is to not violate the rights of others.

That's a pretty high bar to clear.

 

[Blues Man]

That's a pretty high bar to clear.

It's actually pretty easy.

It's called minding your own fucking business and being considerate of others

 

[Woodznutz]

It's actually pretty easy.

It's called minding your own fucking business and being considerate of others

Easy for some, difficult for most.

 

[Blues Man]

Easy for some, difficult for most.

Not difficult just not done

 

[Woodznutz]

Not difficult just not done

Sadly, screwing up another's life is institutionalized here. We do it ignorantly but with the best of intentions.

 

[Blues Man]

Sadly, screwing up another's life is institutionalized here. We do it ignorantly but with the best of intentions.

Roads to hell and all that

 

[Woodznutz]

Roads to hell and all that

Yes.
Policies that reward the indigent at the expense of the industrious, and reward dishonesty and greed at the expense of honest work. That reward stupidity at the expense of intelligence. The 'present evil world' that Jesus spoke of is still with us.

 

[Woodznutz]

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[Blues Man]

Yes.
Policies that reward the indigent at the expense of the industrious, and reward dishonesty and greed at the expense of honest work. That reward stupidity at the expense of intelligence. The 'present evil world' that Jesus spoke of is still with us.

Those are just excuses.

Governmental policies do not dictate how people choose to treat each other.

No one controls your reactions to others but you.

 

[Woodznutz]

Those are just excuses.

Governmental policies do not dictate how people choose to treat each other.

No one controls your reactions to others but you.

It's the government policies that set people against each other as well as hurt people directly.

 

[Blues Man]

It's the government policies that set people against each other as well as hurt people directly.

No they don't.

It's people who decide how they act not the government

 

[Woodznutz]

No they don't.

It's people who decide how they act not the government

The criminal justice system is a function of government. Crime is out of control because of government policies regarding crime, which sees it as an employment, enrichment, and advancement opportunity rather than a societal problem.

You solve problems, you don't milk them for all they're worth.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The world watches America constantly scream on how Free they are and all these Rights you enjoy but no one else does, yet, they're just things every living organism gets on with.

Can you own a handgun for self defense in your country? No, you can't. That makes me freer than you?

 

[Blues Man]

The criminal justice system is a function of government. Crime is out of control because of government policies regarding crime, which sees it as an employment, enrichment, and advancement opportunity rather than a societal problem.

You solve problems, you don't milk them for all they're worth.

People choose to be criminals therefore they choose how they treat other people.

Criminals violate the rights of others.

So just don;t be a fucking criminal. Why do you think that is so difficult?

 

[Woodznutz]

People choose to be criminals therefore they choose how they treat other people.

Criminals violate the rights of others.

So just don;t be a fucking criminal. Why do you think that is so difficult?

The best way for criminals to 'not be criminals' is to be locked up. Why is that so difficult for our leaders to understand. Even families that put on a show for the court on behalf of their thug relatives are often secretly happy that they are going to prison.

It would be bad enough if the criminal justice system didn't know what it is doing, but much worse if it does know what it's doing.

 

[Blues Man]

The best way for criminals to 'not be criminals' is to be locked up. Why is that so difficult for our leaders to understand. Even families that put on a show for the court on behalf of their thug relatives are often secretly happy that they are going to prison.

It would be bad enough if the criminal justice system didn't know what it is doing, but much worse if it does know what it's doing.

And none of that is relevant to what I stated a person's obligations to society are.

 

[Woodznutz]

And none of that is relevant to what I stated a person's obligations to society are.

I like to dive deeper into the subject.

 

[Blues Man]

People have greater obligations than just to not be a criminal.

And I never said they didn't.

I said the only obligation any person has to society is to not violate the rights of others and to obey the laws of that society.

You seem to want to make that more complicated than it is by implying that others can control your behavior in making these choices.

 

[Woodznutz]

And I never said they didn't.

I said the only obligation any person has to society is to not violate the rights of others and to obey the laws of that society.

You seem to want to make that more complicated than it is by implying that others can control your behavior in making these choices.

We're talking about a society, not just a bunch of people that have no common interest.