Handguns vs. AR-15s

[BlackSand]

And the more time we have to stop you and the more likely we are to save the lives of the wounded.

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Stop me from what ... Why would you want to do that?
Who are you trying to save?

I have carried a fully automatic firearm (and more) for the government you love so dearly.
How are you planning on stopping me, and why?

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[Care4all]

Plus, who wants to see their child, sister, classmate for the next 50 years of their life all torn apart like that when ever they are on the internet....

It's bound to haunt the child survivors as well, who have no say in another parent's decision to do that.....and the survivors already are going to need mental health care to get through this...

I think I still say no!

 

[Burgermeister]

According to Biden, 9mm blows lungs out of bodies, so that must be worse than AR ammo.

 

[g5000]

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Stop me from what ... Why would you want to do that?
Who are you trying to save?

I have carried a fully automatic firearm (and more) for the government you love so dearly.
How are you planning on stopping me, and why?

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I have also served. 20 years. Thanks for pointing out it was a weapon of war.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Can't pull on emotive strings, if you don't care about large holes in children. So I guess you're immune.

I bet you care as much for aborted babies.

 

[g5000]

I bet you care as much for aborted babies.

See my signature.

I care very much about aborted babies.

 

[g5000]

So let's talk about this "appeal to emotion", or as the tards call it, "dancing on the dead bodies".

Are we dancing on the dead bodies of Jews when we show the devastation of the Holocaust to bring home the evil that is fascism?

Are we dancing on the dead bodies of Russians and Chinese people when we talk about the millions killed by communism with the aim of warding people away from that belief system?

Enough with the bullshit. This is for real. Real kids are dying. They are literally being blown to pieces, and you're damned right I will portray the violence of an AR-15 to ward people away from their fetishizing of weapons of war.

 

[JusticeHammer]

You reveal your utter lack of morality and basic human qualities.

About Large holes in children: Huh? Did someone say something?

About posters who discusses large holes in children not being desirable: This is a travesty! I am being oppressed! I must insult you immediately!

You dicks can't help but tell on yourselves. You are who you are.

We care more than you do murder babies in the womb. Hypocritical ass-wipe.

 

[BlackSand]

I have also served. 20 years. Thanks for pointing out it was a weapon of war.

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A battle axe is a weapon of war ...

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[JusticeHammer]

See my signature.

I care very much about aborted babies.

Then banning abortion is a good thing?

 

[night_son]

There are voices saying maybe it is time to show the photos of the dead kids who are killed by mass shooters so the public can see just how horrific AR-15s are. Example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/01/uvalde-mass-shootings-graphic-images/

This was very effective when Emmett Till's mother insisted her son's funeral be an open casket and that his body be shown in the papers so everyone could see what the racist assholes who murdered him had done. The photo of Till's body shocked the public and sentiment began turning against the segregationist South.

I have mixed feelings about showing the bodies of these small children. At the very least, it would have to be done with the permission of the parents.

But I think it would be helpful for the public to understand just how horrific these so-called "weapons of war" really are.

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.

I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care.

What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns

They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.

www.theatlantic.com

Do you need kiddy morgue porn to get off? Perhaps you should view videos of late term abortions instead. You people bathe in hypocrisy and perversion.

 

[DarthTrader]

So let's talk about this "appeal to emotion", or as the tards call it, "dancing on the dead bodies".

Are we dancing on the dead bodies of Jews when we show the devastation of the Holocaust to bring home the evil that is fascism?

Are we dancing on the dead bodies of Russians and Chinese people when we talk about the millions killed by communism with the aim of warding people away from that belief system?

Enough with the bullshit. This is for real. Real kids are dying. They are literally being blown to pieces, and you're damned right I will portray the violence of an AR-15 to ward people away from their fetishizing of weapons of war.

Nobody uses holocaust images to ban guns. But the holocaust couldn't have happened without guns. And ironically would probably not have happened had the Jews had guns.

 

[night_son]

The survival rate from handgun wounds is much higher than the survival rate of AR-15 wounds.

Simple fact.

No, it isn't. Simply not a fact. Your links are loaded bullshit; same as your pants.

 

[Darkwind]

Is there a point to all of this?

Yes. Fear.

 

[eagle1462010]

Either weapon hits you right between the eyes.............YOU ARE DEAD.

Both kill........

Back to what Gun Control is..............the ability to hit the target without wasting ammunition.

 

[blackhawk]

Is there a point to all of this?

The point seems to be if we just get rid of the AR-15 mass shootings will end. Of course you could go into an elementary school class room with a 357 or 44 magnum and a couple of speed loaders and do the same type of damage. People can go back fourth on the gun used in mass shootings for as long as they like until we start focusing on what is driving people to these extremes the problem won't get solved.

 

[eagle1462010]

The point seems to be if we just get rid of the AR-15 mass shootings will end. Of course you could go into an elementary school class room with a 357 or 44 magnum and a couple of speed loaders and do the same type of damage. People can go back fourth on the gun used in mass shootings for as long as they like until we start focusing on what is driving people to these extremes the problem won't get solved.

The American dream is dying. So they turn to drugs or gangs.........violence. The family is lost...........morals are being lost......

It will get worse if we fall into the hole of a depression which is possible now.

 

[whitehall]

I'm sure photos of dead blacks murdered by the Southern Christian terrorists would have inured the public after a while, but it only took one time to swing public opinion against segregation.

Funny in the age of information you can't still can't get a picture of the tens of thousands of mostly full term unborn black babies who were literally lynched since the Roe v Wade decision. The procedure is called "partial birth" because the victims are partially born. It would be manslaughter to kill a full term living baby if it was lying on the table so the killers found a legal way. The infant is rotated inside the mother to cause a breach birth and the mother apparently watches as the child's head is held in the birth canal inches from life and the back of it's head is opened and it's brain is sucked out until it's head shrinks and it falls to the table. If you want compare 50's lynchings (ironically by democrat party thugs) in the south to maniacs who shoot babies today you have to justify the ongoing genocide of mostly black babies in a horrific procedure.

 

[night_son]

The point seems to be if we just get rid of the AR-15 mass shootings will end. Of course you could go into an elementary school class room with a 357 or 44 magnum and a couple of speed loaders and do the same type of damage. People can go back fourth on the gun used in mass shootings for as long as they like until we start focusing on what is driving people to these extremes the problem won't get solved.

The OP is a full metal idiot. ARs can be chambered in dozens of different calibers, including common handgun chamberings. Yet he claims as fact AR platform weapons cause greater tissue damage than handgun calibers. The OP paints himself as some kind of experienced shooter or firearm owner, yet he clearly demonstrates next to zero firearm or ballistic knowledge. His goal, much the same as that of democrat politicians, is to whip up mass panic and blind fear; to achieve that, in this case, OP wants to flash gory photos of dead children; essentially desecrate the remains of American children to advance his party's political goal. Not only is OP a disingenuous idiot, but he is also a graveyard ghoul.

 

[g5000]

Funny in the age of information you can't still can't get a picture of the tens of thousands of mostly full term unborn black babies who were literally lynched since the Roe v Wade decision. The procedure is called "partial birth" because the victims are partially born. It would be manslaughter to kill a full term living baby if it was lying on the table so the killers found a legal way. The infant is rotated inside the mother to cause a breach birth and the mother apparently watches as the child's head is held in the birth canal inches from life and the back of it's head is opened and it's brain is sucked out until it's head shrinks and it falls to the table. If you want compare 50's lynchings (ironically by democrat party thugs) in the south to maniacs who shoot babies today you have to justify the ongoing genocide of mostly black babies in a horrific procedure.

Have you seen my signature?