Harry reid ready to rush through internet sales tax; obama endorses

[Anitabeme]

Always ask yourself..

Why would a Politiciain wants to ram a bill through, bypassing committees and normal procedures, when it isn't an emergency?

In this case, it is an emergency. Harry has to ram it through before the American people stop focusing on Boston and turn their attention back to their elected representatives and what they are doing.

We just have to pass the bill to see what's in it.

 

[Synthaholic]

Special tax break for this company,

like Amazon.com?


like zappos.com?


like Exxon?


Like Wall Street hedge fund managers?

Should I explain Crony capitalism idiot...look it up

I did. It said 'Halliburton'.



Thanks for making my point, dope.

What point was that idiot? You point out your selected ones you don't like. I said all, doesn't matter to me who it is. That's why the tax code needs reform..Understand moron? I don't think you do, because you're a clown

You said you are against 'special tax breaks for this company, that company, etc.' while defending these special tax breaks for internet companies.

Like I said: you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[Synthaholic]

If a state wants to collect tax on internet orders being shipped in from other states they can set up a customs station at their borders and incur the cost within their state. The Governments of one state have no right to compel residents of another state to act as their tax collectors.

As I said, the stupid is strong in this thread.

The retailer selling you the item would add your state tax to the bill that you pay.

You're another fucking idiot who doesn't know how sales tax works.

If I sell to a guy in CA I have to know what the tax rate is, collect the money at purchase and then at the end of the month file and remit payment. That means setting up at least 50 different sales tax accounts and filing in 50 states every month.

They do this already for businesses which have brick/mortar stores in your state.

Go to bestbuy.com and buy something - it will calculate your shipping and your state tax upon checkout.

I happen to collect sales tax for my state and I think I know how it works better than you.

You're the fucking idiot who doesn't seem to know how the tax collected at the point of sale gets paid to the fucking government did you think it was magic?

The retailer is responsible for remitting the tax every month or quarter along with whatever forms each state and/or municipality requires.

As I said I am pressed into service as a tax collector. It's bad enough i have to do it for my state and the feds for free but no other state has the right to press me into service with no compensation.

You have the balls to call others stupid and you don't know jack shit about running a business or what's involved just like our fucking idiot president.

If you are doing at least $1 million in internet sales each year, you can be bothered to use the software that they will provide to calculate/pay this.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If a state wants to collect tax on internet orders being shipped in from other states they can set up a customs station at their borders and incur the cost within their state. The Governments of one state have no right to compel residents of another state to act as their tax collectors.

As I said, the stupid is strong in this thread.

The retailer selling you the item would add your state tax to the bill that you pay.

You're another fucking idiot who doesn't know how sales tax works.

If I sell to a guy in CA I have to know what the tax rate is, collect the money at purchase and then at the end of the month file and remit payment. That means setting up at least 50 different sales tax accounts and filing in 50 states every month.

They do this already for businesses which have brick/mortar stores in your state.

Go to bestbuy.com and buy something - it will calculate your shipping and your state tax upon checkout.

I happen to collect sales tax for my state and I think I know how it works better than you.

You're the fucking idiot who doesn't seem to know how the tax collected at the point of sale gets paid to the fucking government did you think it was magic?

The retailer is responsible for remitting the tax every month or quarter along with whatever forms each state and/or municipality requires.

As I said I am pressed into service as a tax collector. It's bad enough i have to do it for my state and the feds for free but no other state has the right to press me into service with no compensation.

You have the balls to call others stupid and you don't know jack shit about running a business or what's involved just like our fucking idiot president.

This explains the concept of the government issued unfunded mandate.
The federal government has NO BUSINESS injecting itself into this issue.
This is for the states to handle.
Even if it passes, it's unenforceable.
Unless of course the law would include another pile of cash the government does not have, to create another federal bureaucracy.

 

[thereisnospoon]

As I said, the stupid is strong in this thread.

The retailer selling you the item would add your state tax to the bill that you pay.

You're another fucking idiot who doesn't know how sales tax works.

If I sell to a guy in CA I have to know what the tax rate is, collect the money at purchase and then at the end of the month file and remit payment. That means setting up at least 50 different sales tax accounts and filing in 50 states every month.

They do this already for businesses which have brick/mortar stores in your state.

Go to bestbuy.com and buy something - it will calculate your shipping and your state tax upon checkout.

I happen to collect sales tax for my state and I think I know how it works better than you.

You're the fucking idiot who doesn't seem to know how the tax collected at the point of sale gets paid to the fucking government did you think it was magic?

The retailer is responsible for remitting the tax every month or quarter along with whatever forms each state and/or municipality requires.

As I said I am pressed into service as a tax collector. It's bad enough i have to do it for my state and the feds for free but no other state has the right to press me into service with no compensation.

You have the balls to call others stupid and you don't know jack shit about running a business or what's involved just like our fucking idiot president.

If you are doing at least $1 million in internet sales each year, you can be bothered to use the software that they will provide to calculate/pay this.

Not the point.
The extra cost is borne by the retailer at the expense of the consumer. Those additional costs will be passed along to the end user.

 

[thereisnospoon]

like Amazon.com?


like zappos.com?


like Exxon?


Like Wall Street hedge fund managers?



I did. It said 'Halliburton'.



Thanks for making my point, dope.

What point was that idiot? You point out your selected ones you don't like. I said all, doesn't matter to me who it is. That's why the tax code needs reform..Understand moron? I don't think you do, because you're a clown

You said you are against 'special tax breaks for this company, that company, etc.' while defending these special tax breaks for internet companies.

Like I said: you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

It's not a 'tax break' for the companies. The law is clear. One state cannot collect sales tax from a resident of another state on purchases not made in a particular state.
In other words, If one lives in New Jersey and makes a purchase from a retailer in Tennessee that does not have a presence in New Jersey, the retailer is under no obligation to collect sales tax for the New Jersey government.
Collecting taxes for other states costs a lot of time and money because labor is required to do the collecting.
Another example. Tigerdirect.com has a retail and warehouse outlet in South Carolina. I live in another state where Tigerdirect DOES not have retail presence.
Now I could drive 1.5 hours and purchase on site. I would have to pay SC Sales tax. Not NC sales tax. To save sales tax charges, I will of course buy from tigerdirect.com on line and have them ship me the goods.
The final issue is no retailer is obligated to collect sales tax on ANY purchase no matter where I go to buy it. I pay the local sales tax. Not my home state sales tax.
This bill mandates the on line retailer collect taxes for EACH state. Now, any logical person would realize this is not leveling any playing field.

 

[Synthaholic]

You're another fucking idiot who doesn't know how sales tax works.

If I sell to a guy in CA I have to know what the tax rate is, collect the money at purchase and then at the end of the month file and remit payment. That means setting up at least 50 different sales tax accounts and filing in 50 states every month.



I happen to collect sales tax for my state and I think I know how it works better than you.

You're the fucking idiot who doesn't seem to know how the tax collected at the point of sale gets paid to the fucking government did you think it was magic?

The retailer is responsible for remitting the tax every month or quarter along with whatever forms each state and/or municipality requires.

As I said I am pressed into service as a tax collector. It's bad enough i have to do it for my state and the feds for free but no other state has the right to press me into service with no compensation.

You have the balls to call others stupid and you don't know jack shit about running a business or what's involved just like our fucking idiot president.

If you are doing at least $1 million in internet sales each year, you can be bothered to use the software that they will provide to calculate/pay this.

Not the point.
The extra cost is borne by the retailer at the expense of the consumer. Those additional costs will be passed along to the end user.

And consumers will look at that cost and say, hell I can buy that for the same price locally" and do so, helping their neighbors, their community, their state, rather than Jeff Bezos and his multi-billion dollar empire.

 

[thereisnospoon]

This goes back about 10 or so years ago....
Massachusetts has high taxes on liquor. Maine and Vermont have very low taxes on the same.
Seeing what the Commonwealth of MA termed a huge loss in revenue, the government of MA demanded that liquor outlets in Maine identify all customers from MA and collect MA sales taxes on liquor purchases by these residents and send the money to Mass. Of course the government of Maine told MA to stick it.

 

[paulitician]

Oh Republicans, why hath thou forsaken thee? Socialists/Progressives doing this, is obviously not surprising. But so many Republicans supporting it? Just goes to show, they're all on the same team when it comes to screwing Taxpayers. More proof of how desperately we need a Third Party.

 

[kaz]

Oh Republicans, why hath thou forsaken thee? Socialists/Progressives doing this, is obviously not surprising. But so many Republicans supporting it? Just goes to show, they're all on the same team when it comes to screwing Taxpayers. More proof how desperately we need a Third Party.

The Republican party forsake us a long time ago. That's why I left circa 1990. That's when it became clear to me the country liked Reagan, not his message, and there was no hope.

 

[paulitician]

Oh Republicans, why hath thou forsaken thee? Socialists/Progressives doing this, is obviously not surprising. But so many Republicans supporting it? Just goes to show, they're all on the same team when it comes to screwing Taxpayers. More proof how desperately we need a Third Party.

The Republican party forsake us a long time ago. That's why I left circa 1990. That's when it became clear to me the country liked Reagan, not his message, and there was no hope.

Yeah, watching so many so-called 'Conservative' Republicans supporting this, is truly disappointing. All that whining about things being unfair and so on. They sound exactly like the Socialist/Progressive Entitlement moochers. The only real loser in this debacle, is the American Taxpayer. No real Conservative could possibly support this. The Republican Party is such a mess. It's very sad.

 

[OriginalShroom]

As I said, the stupid is strong in this thread.

The retailer selling you the item would add your state tax to the bill that you pay.

You're another fucking idiot who doesn't know how sales tax works.

If I sell to a guy in CA I have to know what the tax rate is, collect the money at purchase and then at the end of the month file and remit payment. That means setting up at least 50 different sales tax accounts and filing in 50 states every month.

They do this already for businesses which have brick/mortar stores in your state.

Go to bestbuy.com and buy something - it will calculate your shipping and your state tax upon checkout.

I happen to collect sales tax for my state and I think I know how it works better than you.

You're the fucking idiot who doesn't seem to know how the tax collected at the point of sale gets paid to the fucking government did you think it was magic?

The retailer is responsible for remitting the tax every month or quarter along with whatever forms each state and/or municipality requires.

As I said I am pressed into service as a tax collector. It's bad enough i have to do it for my state and the feds for free but no other state has the right to press me into service with no compensation.

You have the balls to call others stupid and you don't know jack shit about running a business or what's involved just like our fucking idiot president.

Yes a sales tax form will have to be done every month for every state that is sold into. And this will have to be done by the business for 0 profit. And previous to this the website will have to be configured to collect tax for every state rather than one. I'm not even sure most shopping carts can do that so it might mean a lot of upgrades or even needing a new website. Somehow they will have to keep track of each tax rate for each state also to ensure it stays accurate.

So why would we ever want to do this again? It will definitely slow the economy. Slowing the economy will ensure the unemployment rate stays high, which in turn keeps tax revenue down.

This will not help brick and mortar either as all their customers will now have less money. If it helps anyone it would be the big companies like Walmart and that would be at the cost of more expensive retailers like Target. When people have less money they will be looking for the cheapest place to get what they need.

So we have nobody benefitting from this. The Supreme Court has even ruled against this in the past.

It's not just States, but Counties and Cities also have sales taxes. That would require them to have well over 3,000 sets of tax requirements.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Oh Republicans, why hath thou forsaken thee? Socialists/Progressives doing this, is obviously not surprising. But so many Republicans supporting it? Just goes to show, they're all on the same team when it comes to screwing Taxpayers. More proof how desperately we need a Third Party.

The Republican party forsake us a long time ago. That's why I left circa 1990. That's when it became clear to me the country liked Reagan, not his message, and there was no hope.

Yeah, watching so many so-called 'Conservative' Republicans supporting this, is truly disappointing. All that whining about things being unfair and so on. They sound exactly like the Socialist/Progressive Entitlement moochers. The only real loser in this debacle, is the American Taxpayer. No real Conservative could possibly support this. The Republican Party is such a mess. It's very sad.

We have to admit that most of the Republicans are no Conservatives, mainly they come across as "liberal-lite". I think the only reason so many real conservatives vote republican is because they are afraid that no third party can overcome the democrat party juggernaut.

 

[Brain357]

If you are doing at least $1 million in internet sales each year, you can be bothered to use the software that they will provide to calculate/pay this.

Not the point.
The extra cost is borne by the retailer at the expense of the consumer. Those additional costs will be passed along to the end user.

And consumers will look at that cost and say, hell I can buy that for the same price locally" and do so, helping their neighbors, their community, their state, rather than Jeff Bezos and his multi-billion dollar empire.

You do realize that amazon is for this right? They wouldn't be for it unless it benefitted them.

This is just another thing to slow our economy. Everyone will have less money due to more taxes. And this type of tax does more damage to the poor than the rich.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Republican party forsake us a long time ago. That's why I left circa 1990. That's when it became clear to me the country liked Reagan, not his message, and there was no hope.

Yeah, watching so many so-called 'Conservative' Republicans supporting this, is truly disappointing. All that whining about things being unfair and so on. They sound exactly like the Socialist/Progressive Entitlement moochers. The only real loser in this debacle, is the American Taxpayer. No real Conservative could possibly support this. The Republican Party is such a mess. It's very sad.

We have to admit that most of the Republicans are no Conservatives, mainly they come across as "liberal-lite". I think the only reason so many real conservatives vote republican is because they are afraid that no third party can overcome the democrat party juggernaut.

The GOP establishment has become infested with 'big tent go along to get along/we must act more as democrats to be liked' assholes who are more interested in keeping their seats than behaving as statesmen.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not the point.
The extra cost is borne by the retailer at the expense of the consumer. Those additional costs will be passed along to the end user.

And consumers will look at that cost and say, hell I can buy that for the same price locally" and do so, helping their neighbors, their community, their state, rather than Jeff Bezos and his multi-billion dollar empire.

You do realize that amazon is for this right? They wouldn't be for it unless it benefitted them.

This is just another thing to slow our economy. Everyone will have less money due to more taxes. And this type of tax does more damage to the poor than the rich.

The only reasons I can think Amazon supports this is they are either considering setting up Brick and Mortar locations OR they are building more distribution facilities in more places.

 

[kaz]

The Republican party forsake us a long time ago. That's why I left circa 1990. That's when it became clear to me the country liked Reagan, not his message, and there was no hope.

Yeah, watching so many so-called 'Conservative' Republicans supporting this, is truly disappointing. All that whining about things being unfair and so on. They sound exactly like the Socialist/Progressive Entitlement moochers. The only real loser in this debacle, is the American Taxpayer. No real Conservative could possibly support this. The Republican Party is such a mess. It's very sad.

We have to admit that most of the Republicans are no Conservatives, mainly they come across as "liberal-lite". I think the only reason so many real conservatives vote republican is because they are afraid that no third party can overcome the democrat party juggernaut.

I think that if Republicans would ease up on the moral campaign then they would have a much better shot at it. The irony being that Republicans aren't able to act on the social agenda and yet the Democrats are able to scare the snot out of people. What about just saying we're for morality, and morality is best treated as a personal issue?

 

[bendog]

And consumers will look at that cost and say, hell I can buy that for the same price locally" and do so, helping their neighbors, their community, their state, rather than Jeff Bezos and his multi-billion dollar empire.

You do realize that amazon is for this right? They wouldn't be for it unless it benefitted them.

This is just another thing to slow our economy. Everyone will have less money due to more taxes. And this type of tax does more damage to the poor than the rich.

The only reasons I can think Amazon supports this is they are either considering setting up Brick and Mortar locations OR they are building more distribution facilities in more places.

I believe amazon supports this because it would be much more troublesome for ebay than them. For example, I go on amazon to look for used Fire and Ice books, and I get a bunch of sellers who essentially are little amazons. I go on ebay, and I find more individual sellers, or people who are sellling a range of goods. Ebay really has no way to enforce collections.

I don't see that it makes sense. I buy online for convenience AND price. If the store has a retail outlet in my state, I pay tax. Sure brick and morter help my local employment, but I can't really buy food, or eat out, or go golf, or whatever online. The jobs lost are economically inefficient. If I wanted more inefficiency, I wouldn't vote gop .... OH SNAP

 

[Skull Pilot]

As I said, the stupid is strong in this thread.

The retailer selling you the item would add your state tax to the bill that you pay.

You're another fucking idiot who doesn't know how sales tax works.

If I sell to a guy in CA I have to know what the tax rate is, collect the money at purchase and then at the end of the month file and remit payment. That means setting up at least 50 different sales tax accounts and filing in 50 states every month.

They do this already for businesses which have brick/mortar stores in your state.

Go to bestbuy.com and buy something - it will calculate your shipping and your state tax upon checkout.

I happen to collect sales tax for my state and I think I know how it works better than you.

You're the fucking idiot who doesn't seem to know how the tax collected at the point of sale gets paid to the fucking government did you think it was magic?

The retailer is responsible for remitting the tax every month or quarter along with whatever forms each state and/or municipality requires.

As I said I am pressed into service as a tax collector. It's bad enough i have to do it for my state and the feds for free but no other state has the right to press me into service with no compensation.

You have the balls to call others stupid and you don't know jack shit about running a business or what's involved just like our fucking idiot president.

If you are doing at least $1 million in internet sales each year, you can be bothered to use the software that they will provide to calculate/pay this.

The fucking government does not provide businesses with accounting software you fucking moron.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you are doing at least $1 million in internet sales each year, you can be bothered to use the software that they will provide to calculate/pay this.

Not the point.
The extra cost is borne by the retailer at the expense of the consumer. Those additional costs will be passed along to the end user.

And consumers will look at that cost and say, hell I can buy that for the same price locally" and do so, helping their neighbors, their community, their state, rather than Jeff Bezos and his multi-billion dollar empire.

Since when is the purpose of a tax to drive business to one area over another?

The simple fact is that the tax and law agencies of one state cannot force a person in another state to act as a tax collector for them.