Hate Crime Bill Set to Pass?

[catzmeow]

p.s. Didn't they teach you in law schools that laws aren't passed for symbolic value? That's what resolutions are for.

 

[catzmeow]

Oy. I accept that you guys are all having fun attempting to beat up on the one guy, since you can't handle it yourselves. But really, do try to avoid patting each other on the back at every turn. Yes, you are all in a cute little circle jerk where you are all thinking in lock step in with each other. Your even making the same flaws, which is really quite endearing. But try to at least pretend you have a point and aren't just having fun attacking someone as a group.

If you want to be some kind of legal badass, it's really Oi. Just a tip, mind you. Oy makes you sound like your Jewish granny.

 

[Nik]

Then you should stop sounding like one.

Perhaps you should stop assuming I do based off of a few statements.



oh, and what "company line" would that be? And no, not all the good minds go to harvard and yale. But there is definitely a difference in intelligence.

Sounds like someone went to a bad law school and had a shitty career that they hated as a result. Don't be bitter, baby.



Oh, then do enlighten me.

Why do the government agencies higher disproportionately from George Washington and American?

I wasn't aware that they do. In at least one area, they don't. I couldn't be assed to look up more government agencies.

USDOJ: OARM: Law Schools Attended By 2007-2008 Honors Program Hires

But IF that is the case, and you'd have to prove to me that it was, it would be because of location.
Any ideas?

Edit:

They don't actually have #'s on the site, actually, so its unclear.

LOL.....you are verging on a complete wreck. Some would argue and say you aren't verging.

At any rate, since you asked, I went to a reasonably top law school. In the top 25 or so anyway. So, strike one. I hated practicing law and there was no where within the "actual practice of law" that I felt like I would enjoy, so I left it to do something constructive with my life.

Oh, I was full of piss and vinegar at first. Teaching those nasty landlords a lesson. Defending those poor unfortunates. Even though practicing that kind of law was distinctly not why I went to law school. After a few years of it, well....time will tell. You decide. Some people actually like it. I've seen them. Most of those are asshole pricks. (which I was becoming. Unknown to me at the time but I had a divorce in my future if I'd stayed on that road.)

Unlike you, I know what they hire there, because I've been there. They hire in those numbers not merely because of location but because of the network. If location was all it was, there would also be large numbers from Georgetown, Catholic and Howard not to mention George Mason. All respected law schools and all within 10 miles of DC. But, that isn't what happens.[/QUOTE]

And some would argue that the hate crimes bill covers pedophilia. People argue all sorts of asinine things.

And if you don't enjoy practicing law, you should probably leave. You made the right choice.

As for you trying to teach those "nasty landlords a lesson", I'm not. I am actually doing housing shit at the moment, but I'm not trying to teach anyone a lesson. Some are unethical, some are not, but regardless most of the people who we represent will be on the streets if we lose. So its pretty important to me. But its really not about teaching anyone a lesson.

Umm, congratulations for having been there. I'm really quite impressed. I wonder if anyones going to accuse you of bragging about it

Biglaw is less about network and more about prestige. Of course the two complement each other, but you don't get hired just cause of networking.

 

[Nik]

p.s. Didn't they teach you in law schools that laws aren't passed for symbolic value? That's what resolutions are for.

Unsurprisingly, they don't teach your personal opinions about the world in law school. Laws are passed for any number of reasons. Symbolism can be one of them.

 

[Nik]

Oy. I accept that you guys are all having fun attempting to beat up on the one guy, since you can't handle it yourselves. But really, do try to avoid patting each other on the back at every turn. Yes, you are all in a cute little circle jerk where you are all thinking in lock step in with each other. Your even making the same flaws, which is really quite endearing. But try to at least pretend you have a point and aren't just having fun attacking someone as a group.

If you want to be some kind of legal badass, it's really Oi. Just a tip, mind you. Oy makes you sound like your Jewish granny.

I don't, I'm not, and I never claimed I was. You and the rest of your circle jerk have done more to talk up my ego and legal skills than I ever have.

 

[catzmeow]

Laws are passed for any number of reasons. Symbolism can be one of them.

Not in the category of CRIMINAL LAW, dumbass.

 

[Nik]

you're kidding right?

No. Acceptance by the federal government that they, specifically, have a right not be targeted for their sexual orientation is important to many people. Because many of them HAVE been specifically targeted for their sexual orientation.

damn, do you really believe that will make any difference to people who actually commit the crimes? do you think they'll say to themselves " if i beat up this gay dude, i'll be committing a federal crime? i better not."

all i can do is shake my head.

The impact isn't on the people who commit the crimes. Its on the people who feel threatened who are now part of a protected class.

 

[Nik]

No. Acceptance by the federal government that they, specifically, have a right not be targeted for their sexual orientation is important to many people. Because many of them HAVE been specifically targeted for their sexual orientation.

damn, do you really believe that will make any difference to people who actually commit the crimes? do you think they'll say to themselves " if i beat up this gay dude, i'll be committing a federal crime? i better not."

all i can do is shake my head.

In all fairness to Nik, it isn't his fault. The professors are very much in earnest as they impart this tripe to the young skulls filled with mush. It's very difficult to deal with the authority, the bias, the political agenda of people that are supposed to be dispassionately imparting knowledge to their students.

So, don't blame Nik for successfully being able to regurgitate the mess he's been taught.

Wow. Good job making shit up there. I'm not actually regurgitating anything. But yay for internet psychology!

 

[Nik]

Laws are passed for any number of reasons. Symbolism can be one of them.

Not in the category of CRIMINAL LAW, dumbass.

Really? Please point to me where its disallowed to pass criminal laws for symbolic reasons.

 

[catzmeow]

Really? Please point to me where its disallowed to pass criminal laws for symbolic reasons.

Please state your question again in English.

 

[del]

No. Acceptance by the federal government that they, specifically, have a right not be targeted for their sexual orientation is important to many people. Because many of them HAVE been specifically targeted for their sexual orientation.

damn, do you really believe that will make any difference to people who actually commit the crimes? do you think they'll say to themselves " if i beat up this gay dude, i'll be committing a federal crime? i better not."

all i can do is shake my head.

The impact isn't on the people who commit the crimes. Its on the people who feel threatened who are now part of a protected class.

that's even more stupid. they will be no safer than they were before; in fact, they may be less safe if they think that this *symbolic* law protects them.

can you name another "symbolic" criminal law for me and show me how well it did or did not work? i can't think of one.

 

[Nik]

In all fairness to Nik, it isn't his fault. The professors are very much in earnest as they impart this tripe to the young skulls filled with mush. It's very difficult to deal with the authority, the bias, the political agenda of people that are supposed to be dispassionately imparting knowledge to their students.

So, don't blame Nik for successfully being able to regurgitate the mess he's been taught.

Where is anyone taught that?

Only in law school.

You would blanch at my list of law school professors and their pet topics. Here's a glimpse:

First year:

Professor Williams - Property Law - First 6 weeks of class concerning the fact that women are not chattel property.

Professor Hagger - Torts - People don't have any more right to what they earn than any other person in society. Self avowed socialist (no he didn't say to which hyphen of socialism he belonged, Agna).

Professor Raskin - Criminal Law - Also Chief Counsel of the Rainbow Push Coalition and current state senator in Maryland. Brought Jesse Jackson to our class to tell us about voting rights for DC.

And finally, a guest professor for Legislation class, the Chief Counsel for the ACLU.

Hmmmpff......and me a righty. No wonder I did law school in 2 1/2 years. Had to get out of that nut house.

Most of my professors were hired because of the groundworking work they've done in their field, not because of their political beliefs. Not sure what kind of fucked up school you went too.

Of course, its not the case that doing groundbreaking work makes you a good prof. But they definitely weren't hired for their ideology. By the way...see Berkeley (omg, the liberal bastion of the world!!!!!!) and their defense of Yoo for a stark counterexample.

 

[Nik]

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Really? Please point to me where its disallowed to pass criminal laws for symbolic reasons.

Please state your question again in English.

That is english. Don't blame me if you lack reading comprehension. Oh, sorry...you don't want me to be arrogant. Well I'm sure its my fault that you can't read

 

[jgbkab]

So if enforcing the existing laws doesn't work and additional hate crime laws don't work, what do you think is the solution?

Actually, I think that enforcing existing laws DOES in fact work. So does aggressive intel collection on known hate groups who are involved in criminal activities, such as the Nazi Lowriders, and others. Because, shockingly enough, hate crime groups are OFTEN involved in a host of other activities, from publishing recruitment materials to trafficking in illegal weapons and drugs.

Shut down one member with a hate crime, and it's like the hydra. Another head rises up, and they have a martyr for the cause. Shut down the ENTIRE GROUP through proactive investigation, and you stop ALL of their criminal activities.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking that just because I don't support federal hate crimes legislation that I'm soft on racists and criminals. I'm not.

But you said that we should be enforcing the laws that we have. If the laws we already enforce and hate crime legislation aren't deterrents, what else is there?

Even if you shut down the group doesn't mean that another group won't take it's place. I DO NOT THINK you're a racist nor do I THINK that you are soft on racists. But you see racism in your line of work. Why do you think the people you come in contact with are racists? What would be a deterrent of hate crimes? The existing laws and enforcement of these laws don't deter hate crimes much or else you wouldn't have been doing what you do for so long.

I believe the problem is that what's being done is counterproductive. Race relations are really no better than they were 10, 20 or 30 years ago. People just hide it better and gear up for the big race war. Something better has to be done. You say the answer is not hate crime legislation and I say it's not existing laws. Now what?

 

[Nik]

damn, do you really believe that will make any difference to people who actually commit the crimes? do you think they'll say to themselves " if i beat up this gay dude, i'll be committing a federal crime? i better not."

all i can do is shake my head.

The impact isn't on the people who commit the crimes. Its on the people who feel threatened who are now part of a protected class.

that's even more stupid. they will be no safer than they were before; in fact, they may be less safe if they think that this *symbolic* law protects them.

Nobody thinks that hate crime laws are going to make the protected class 100% safe.

can you name another "symbolic" criminal law for me and show me how well it did or did not work? i can't think of one.

There are plenty of laws making things illegal because of the symbolism inherent in them.

 

[del]

The impact isn't on the people who commit the crimes. Its on the people who feel threatened who are now part of a protected class.

that's even more stupid. they will be no safer than they were before; in fact, they may be less safe if they think that this *symbolic* law protects them.

Nobody thinks that hate crime laws are going to make the protected class 100% safe.

can you name another "symbolic" criminal law for me and show me how well it did or did not work? i can't think of one.

There are plenty of laws making things illegal because of the symbolism inherent in them.

name one.

 

[Nik]

that's even more stupid. they will be no safer than they were before; in fact, they may be less safe if they think that this *symbolic* law protects them.

Nobody thinks that hate crime laws are going to make the protected class 100% safe.

can you name another "symbolic" criminal law for me and show me how well it did or did not work? i can't think of one.

There are plenty of laws making things illegal because of the symbolism inherent in them.

name one.

Flipping off a cop. Burning crosses on someones lawn.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What the world needs more of, by all means, is attorneys.

It's a terrible way to make a living. I could wish for nothing better for Nik to experience.

Have a nice life Nik.

Sucks for you if you picked something to go into that you hate. I actually enjoy it.

ROFLMNAO...

No... Say it isn't so.. Nik is an officer of the court?

LOL... Sweet Mother...

Tell me Nik... in what discipline have you settled?

Clearly, you're no litigator... so... what? Some quiet corner of Real-Estate or Tax law?

 

[Nik]

It's a terrible way to make a living. I could wish for nothing better for Nik to experience.

Have a nice life Nik.

Sucks for you if you picked something to go into that you hate. I actually enjoy it.

ROFLMNAO...

No... Say it isn't so.. Nik is an officer of the court?

LOL... Sweet Mother...

Tell me Nik... in what discipline have you settled?

Clearly, you're no litigator... so... what? Some quiet corner of Real-Estate or Tax law?

And yet someone else creepily interested in my personal details. Try reading the thread, genius.

 

[Yurt]

Sucks for you if you picked something to go into that you hate. I actually enjoy it.

ROFLMNAO...

No... Say it isn't so.. Nik is an officer of the court?

LOL... Sweet Mother...

Tell me Nik... in what discipline have you settled?

Clearly, you're no litigator... so... what? Some quiet corner of Real-Estate or Tax law?

And yet someone else creepily interested in my personal details. Try reading the thread, genius.

maybe you should stop bragging about how great you are and how great your LSAT was and how you make $100/hr teaching LSAT review and how your school is in the top....

cliff note version for you:

stop bragging about yourself so much