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In time, all Confederate Flags are going to taken down, stomped on and torn assunder.
It's racist message needs to be placed in the dust bin of history once and for ever.
Good post OP.
It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.A good post and agreed on much of it, but not all. On the positive side, you are absolutely correct that there is a difference between anger and hate. You are also correct that many Americans have been prejudiced by the very system meant to protect them.I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
OTOH, Affirmative Action and other "special rules for special people" only further divide Americans, not unite them. Since such rules violate the 14th Amendment in the opinions of many common Americans (not SCOTUS), the divide becomes wider.
Let's not forget that many large groups have been prejudiced against and then became American mainstream. It wasn't that long ago that Irish and Italian immigrants were thought of as being lowlife scum, criminals and Papists. A major hurdle for JFK being elected was prejudice against both the Irish and Catholics.
How long do whites get to lie to themselves? Don't compare Irish and Italians to blacks. None of them faced what blacks did. Affirmative Action divides nothing. whites divided he nation themselves by denying the same rights they got to others. If not for Affirmative Action, America as we see it now would not exist. The only people who say this violates the 14th amendment are whites who are racists themselves. Your first line was pure bullshit and that belief needs to die because it's a complete lie. When whites like you face the truth then America will be less divided. YOU are the ones keeping things divided by lying to yourselves to the extent of creating and pushing a race baited lie because whites got mad that laws had to be made to stop whites from the oppression of those not white. These are not special rules and there are no special people. Whites are the ones who have thought they were especially entitled to things and they still do now. That's why your first line exists and you actually believe it.
Laugh all you want but you can't produce an anti white discriminatory law or policy.
YOur pretense of ignorance of the last 60-70 years is not credible.
ROFLMAO. 60-70 years ago it was 1947- 1957, dipstick.
If you had been black or anything other than white in America during that time with the same emotional fragility that you have now, you would have committed suicide.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.
It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.A good post and agreed on much of it, but not all. On the positive side, you are absolutely correct that there is a difference between anger and hate. You are also correct that many Americans have been prejudiced by the very system meant to protect them.I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
OTOH, Affirmative Action and other "special rules for special people" only further divide Americans, not unite them. Since such rules violate the 14th Amendment in the opinions of many common Americans (not SCOTUS), the divide becomes wider.
Let's not forget that many large groups have been prejudiced against and then became American mainstream. It wasn't that long ago that Irish and Italian immigrants were thought of as being lowlife scum, criminals and Papists. A major hurdle for JFK being elected was prejudice against both the Irish and Catholics.
How long do whites get to lie to themselves? Don't compare Irish and Italians to blacks. None of them faced what blacks did. Affirmative Action divides nothing. whites divided he nation themselves by denying the same rights they got to others. If not for Affirmative Action, America as we see it now would not exist. The only people who say this violates the 14th amendment are whites who are racists themselves. Your first line was pure bullshit and that belief needs to die because it's a complete lie. When whites like you face the truth then America will be less divided. YOU are the ones keeping things divided by lying to yourselves to the extent of creating and pushing a race baited lie because whites got mad that laws had to be made to stop whites from the oppression of those not white. These are not special rules and there are no special people. Whites are the ones who have thought they were especially entitled to things and they still do now. That's why your first line exists and you actually believe it.
Laugh all you want but you can't produce an anti white discriminatory law or policy.
YOur pretense of ignorance of the last 60-70 years is not credible.
ROFLMAO. 60-70 years ago it was 1947- 1957, dipstick.
If you had been black or anything other than white in America during that time with the same emotional fragility that you have now, you would have committed suicide.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.
It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.A good post and agreed on much of it, but not all. On the positive side, you are absolutely correct that there is a difference between anger and hate. You are also correct that many Americans have been prejudiced by the very system meant to protect them.
OTOH, Affirmative Action and other "special rules for special people" only further divide Americans, not unite them. Since such rules violate the 14th Amendment in the opinions of many common Americans (not SCOTUS), the divide becomes wider.
Let's not forget that many large groups have been prejudiced against and then became American mainstream. It wasn't that long ago that Irish and Italian immigrants were thought of as being lowlife scum, criminals and Papists. A major hurdle for JFK being elected was prejudice against both the Irish and Catholics.
How long do whites get to lie to themselves? Don't compare Irish and Italians to blacks. None of them faced what blacks did. Affirmative Action divides nothing. whites divided he nation themselves by denying the same rights they got to others. If not for Affirmative Action, America as we see it now would not exist. The only people who say this violates the 14th amendment are whites who are racists themselves. Your first line was pure bullshit and that belief needs to die because it's a complete lie. When whites like you face the truth then America will be less divided. YOU are the ones keeping things divided by lying to yourselves to the extent of creating and pushing a race baited lie because whites got mad that laws had to be made to stop whites from the oppression of those not white. These are not special rules and there are no special people. Whites are the ones who have thought they were especially entitled to things and they still do now. That's why your first line exists and you actually believe it.
YOur pretense of ignorance of the last 60-70 years is not credible.
ROFLMAO. 60-70 years ago it was 1947- 1957, dipstick.
If you had been black or anything other than white in America during that time with the same emotional fragility that you have now, you would have committed suicide.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.A good post and agreed on much of it, but not all. On the positive side, you are absolutely correct that there is a difference between anger and hate. You are also correct that many Americans have been prejudiced by the very system meant to protect them.
OTOH, Affirmative Action and other "special rules for special people" only further divide Americans, not unite them. Since such rules violate the 14th Amendment in the opinions of many common Americans (not SCOTUS), the divide becomes wider.
Let's not forget that many large groups have been prejudiced against and then became American mainstream. It wasn't that long ago that Irish and Italian immigrants were thought of as being lowlife scum, criminals and Papists. A major hurdle for JFK being elected was prejudice against both the Irish and Catholics.
How long do whites get to lie to themselves? Don't compare Irish and Italians to blacks. None of them faced what blacks did. Affirmative Action divides nothing. whites divided he nation themselves by denying the same rights they got to others. If not for Affirmative Action, America as we see it now would not exist. The only people who say this violates the 14th amendment are whites who are racists themselves. Your first line was pure bullshit and that belief needs to die because it's a complete lie. When whites like you face the truth then America will be less divided. YOU are the ones keeping things divided by lying to yourselves to the extent of creating and pushing a race baited lie because whites got mad that laws had to be made to stop whites from the oppression of those not white. These are not special rules and there are no special people. Whites are the ones who have thought they were especially entitled to things and they still do now. That's why your first line exists and you actually believe it.
YOur pretense of ignorance of the last 60-70 years is not credible.
ROFLMAO. 60-70 years ago it was 1947- 1957, dipstick.
If you had been black or anything other than white in America during that time with the same emotional fragility that you have now, you would have committed suicide.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.
Please. In your haste to insist that I express gratitude to a few white politicians of the distant past for DOING THEIR JOBS, you lied. I did NOT say NOTHING was done between the years that I called out, I said that from 1947 to 1957 there was nothing then or now that happened to marginalize the white population as you implied.
You are wasting time and words trying to convince the wrong person to express gratitude for lawmakers only doing the right thing.
Your problem is that you actually believe that black citizens should be second class and subservient to even the lowest bottomfeeding white man.
You also think that ANY laws passed to create a path to equal citizenship for blacks should be viewed as a gift as oppposed to a RIGHT. And ANY gains made by anyone black is considered "taking from white people" by you.
You are a condecending prick and habitual whiner.
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
In time, all Confederate Flags are going to taken down, stomped on and torn assunder.
It's racist message needs to be placed in the dust bin of history once and for ever.
Good post OP.
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
Don't know who is saying to FORGET THE PAST. We can remember the past, but don't blame your neighbor for the past. Telling someone to be focused on the here and now is the best advice, that's where the opportunity is.
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"While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
In time, all Confederate Flags are going to taken down, stomped on and torn assunder.
It's racist message needs to be placed in the dust bin of history once and for ever.
Good post OP.
Why not the US flag as well? many people claim the US is born and built on racism, so how long before the new flag is proposed?
Agreed. The 3/5s clause is in the Constitution. By Marc's standard, the entire USA should be "taken down, stomped on and torn assunder."In time, all Confederate Flags are going to taken down, stomped on and torn assunder.
It's racist message needs to be placed in the dust bin of history once and for ever.
Good post OP.
Why not the US flag as well? many people claim the US is born and built on racism, so how long before the new flag is proposed?
Agreed, but the Left Wing capitalizes on playing the race card for votes and the White Supremacists on the Right do not make it easier for non-racist RWers to move forward.I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
I, as a white person have never owned a slave. I have never bought products made by black slaves, though I once bought an iPod, which are made by slaves in China, but they don't count because they are not black. I was not born in 1802, so I never lived in a world where blacks were paid less for the same job. In our world whites are passed over in favor of less qualified blacks on a regular basis for jobs and college admission.
Racism will stop when we stop being racist, Promoting hatred of whites, as the left does, will not fix anything. When you stop promoting racism, only then will you free yourself.
This concept of yours that I am guilty of sins that were committed by people long dead who I never even met, due to the color of my skin is the very evil you claim to oppose. I don't "apologize" for things I had no part in.
It is incredible to me that anyone could disagree with any of that.
It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.How long do whites get to lie to themselves? Don't compare Irish and Italians to blacks. None of them faced what blacks did. Affirmative Action divides nothing. whites divided he nation themselves by denying the same rights they got to others. If not for Affirmative Action, America as we see it now would not exist. The only people who say this violates the 14th amendment are whites who are racists themselves. Your first line was pure bullshit and that belief needs to die because it's a complete lie. When whites like you face the truth then America will be less divided. YOU are the ones keeping things divided by lying to yourselves to the extent of creating and pushing a race baited lie because whites got mad that laws had to be made to stop whites from the oppression of those not white. These are not special rules and there are no special people. Whites are the ones who have thought they were especially entitled to things and they still do now. That's why your first line exists and you actually believe it.
ROFLMAO. 60-70 years ago it was 1947- 1957, dipstick.
If you had been black or anything other than white in America during that time with the same emotional fragility that you have now, you would have committed suicide.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.How long do whites get to lie to themselves? Don't compare Irish and Italians to blacks. None of them faced what blacks did. Affirmative Action divides nothing. whites divided he nation themselves by denying the same rights they got to others. If not for Affirmative Action, America as we see it now would not exist. The only people who say this violates the 14th amendment are whites who are racists themselves. Your first line was pure bullshit and that belief needs to die because it's a complete lie. When whites like you face the truth then America will be less divided. YOU are the ones keeping things divided by lying to yourselves to the extent of creating and pushing a race baited lie because whites got mad that laws had to be made to stop whites from the oppression of those not white. These are not special rules and there are no special people. Whites are the ones who have thought they were especially entitled to things and they still do now. That's why your first line exists and you actually believe it.
ROFLMAO. 60-70 years ago it was 1947- 1957, dipstick.
If you had been black or anything other than white in America during that time with the same emotional fragility that you have now, you would have committed suicide.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.
Please. In your haste to insist that I express gratitude to a few white politicians of the distant past for DOING THEIR JOBS, you lied. I did NOT say NOTHING was done between the years that I called out, I said that from 1947 to 1957 there was nothing then or now that happened to marginalize the white population as you implied.
You are wasting time and words trying to convince the wrong person to express gratitude for lawmakers only doing the right thing.
Your problem is that you actually believe that black citizens should be second class and subservient to even the lowest bottomfeeding white man.
You also think that ANY laws passed to create a path to equal citizenship for blacks should be viewed as a gift as oppposed to a RIGHT. And ANY gains made by anyone black is considered "taking from white people" by you.
You are a condecending prick and habitual whiner.
1. Nothing I said, has implied in anyway that blacks should be second class citizens. You are a filthy race baiting liar.
2. The laws designed to "create a path to equal citizenship" were fully supported by republicans then and republicans now. It is as those laws and policies have moved BEYOND that to anti-white discrimination that I object. Nothing I have said gives you reason to say otherwise. YOu are a filthy race baiting liar.
3. The historical tidbit about 1862 was very interesting. White republicans even back before the Civil War, busting their asses for your ancestors. And look at the result. Generations of increasing entitlement and racism and hatred, from people like you.
4. THe Eisenhower stuff was great too. YOu know he appointed FIVE justices to the Supreme Court? NOne of them southerns or segregationists.
5. Yes, in arguing with you over and over the same points, with your constant lying and insults, i did lose the immediate thread of your insane denials and conflated "nothing" with "nothing to marginalize whites". Did I mention that you are a filthy race baiting liar?
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
Don't know who is saying to FORGET THE PAST. We can remember the past, but don't blame your neighbor for the past. Telling someone to be focused on the here and now is the best advice, that's where the opportunity is.
Quote:
"While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.It's the negroes that are here sucking off of the white man. I don't know too many whites drowning to get to some African shithole for a handout.
YOur pretense of ignorance and your denial of the hard work and sacrifices of all the Americans that fought and sacrificed for your ungrateful ass, is noted and held against you.
Your tantrum does not change the fact that not a goddamn thing happened between 1947 and 1957.....or ever that has marginalized the "poor, maligned" white population.
At least be intellectually honest enough to admit that was a stupid ass statement.
Even. For. You.
Here's a cool little historical tidbit.
African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954) - Wikipedia
"In 1862, the US Congress passed the Morrill Act, which established federal funding of a land grant college in each state, but 17 states refused to admit black students to their land grant colleges. In response, Congress enacted the second Morrill Act of 1890, which required states that excluded blacks from their existing land grant colleges to open separate institutions and to equitably divide the funds between the schools. The colleges founded in response to the second Morill Act became today's public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and, together with the private HBCUs and the unsegregated colleges in the North and West, provided higher educational opportunities to African Americans. Federally funded extension agents from the land grant colleges spread knowledge about scientific agriculture and home economics to rural communities with agents from the HBCUs focusing on black farmers and families."
18 fucking 62, white congressmen elected by white voters, using federal power and white tax dollars to help blacks.
Here is something in the time frame you said nothing was done.
"After the case was reheard in December, Warren set about persuading his colleagues to reach a unanimous decision overruling Plessy. Five of the other eight judges were firmly on his side. He persuaded another two by saying that the decision would not touch greatly on the original question of Plessy's legality, focusing instead on the principle of equality. Justice Stanley Reed was swayed after Warren suggested that a Southerner's lone dissent on this issue could be more dangerous and incendiary than the court's unanimous decision.[citation needed] In May 1954, Warren announced the Court's decision, which he wrote. It said that "segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race" was unconstitutional because it deprived "the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities" and thus equal protection under the law"
Separate but equal, overturned unanimously by an all white Supreme Court in 1954.
Warren worked hard and smart to get a strong unanimous decision to settle the issue. You ignored his work and his bravery.
Not to mention the decision of Eisenhower, who choose a civil rights supporter for the court.
Eisenhower, who won two landslide elections despite, (or because?) of his strong support for civil rights.
This is Eisenhower on civil rights, in 19 fucking 53
"Eisenhower overruled him: "We have not taken and we shall not take a single backward step. There must be no second class citizens in this country."[197]"
Generations of good people, working and sacrifice and putting themselves at risk at times, and you dismiss them and lie and deny their contributions.
Please. In your haste to insist that I express gratitude to a few white politicians of the distant past for DOING THEIR JOBS, you lied. I did NOT say NOTHING was done between the years that I called out, I said that from 1947 to 1957 there was nothing then or now that happened to marginalize the white population as you implied.
You are wasting time and words trying to convince the wrong person to express gratitude for lawmakers only doing the right thing.
Your problem is that you actually believe that black citizens should be second class and subservient to even the lowest bottomfeeding white man.
You also think that ANY laws passed to create a path to equal citizenship for blacks should be viewed as a gift as oppposed to a RIGHT. And ANY gains made by anyone black is considered "taking from white people" by you.
You are a condecending prick and habitual whiner.
1. Nothing I said, has implied in anyway that blacks should be second class citizens. You are a filthy race baiting liar.
2. The laws designed to "create a path to equal citizenship" were fully supported by republicans then and republicans now. It is as those laws and policies have moved BEYOND that to anti-white discrimination that I object. Nothing I have said gives you reason to say otherwise. YOu are a filthy race baiting liar.
3. The historical tidbit about 1862 was very interesting. White republicans even back before the Civil War, busting their asses for your ancestors. And look at the result. Generations of increasing entitlement and racism and hatred, from people like you.
4. THe Eisenhower stuff was great too. YOu know he appointed FIVE justices to the Supreme Court? NOne of them southerns or segregationists.
5. Yes, in arguing with you over and over the same points, with your constant lying and insults, i did lose the immediate thread of your insane denials and conflated "nothing" with "nothing to marginalize whites". Did I mention that you are a filthy race baiting liar?
Sniff, sniff...have a tissue, sister.
I have told you before, you can stop addressing me immediately, because you will get the same response over and over, you effeminate, pathological nutcase.
You are terminally obsessed with dictating what YOU believe that adults who you do not know should be grateful for. You do not get to decide that in my case.
And as fsr as race baiting, it is YOU who is the race baiter.
You in all of your abject stupidity had the gall to state to IM2 "to look at the last 60 to 70 years" and you intended for that to mean "Blacks have gained at the expense of whites" over that time frame.
I then told you "nothing happened in that time frame to MARGINALIZE the white population". and you, being the egregious, lying asswipe that you are twisted my words so suit your agenda.
I called you on your bullshit and you had a meltdown.
You're a moronic little tool.
This seems par for the course here in this forum. There is another thread talking abut the over representation of black youth in correction facilities and they want to find reasons this happens that have nothing to do with racism. Black youth are 4 times more likely to be put in corrections faculties than whites and they want to look for any other reason but racism for this happening. Now you and I know that you cannot ignore racism as a factor when you look at the issues pertaining to blacks and in fact any non white group here on this country. but on that forum you have a group of whites much like correll who want to create a story that has nothing to do with reality in order to deny racism.
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
Don't know who is saying to FORGET THE PAST. We can remember the past, but don't blame your neighbor for the past. Telling someone to be focused on the here and now is the best advice, that's where the opportunity is.
Quote:
"While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
The words in bold are true. You need to stop the lying. We read the racism in places like this and even as you guys post up racist crap, you tell us that racism is a thing of the past. You guys are being held accountable for your racism now. You are the benefactors of aa system built upon the denial of rights of others. Your opinion does not represent that of the white race as an entirety. You guys are on the fringe extremes of this society. You're a bunch of loons.
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
Don't know who is saying to FORGET THE PAST. We can remember the past, but don't blame your neighbor for the past. Telling someone to be focused on the here and now is the best advice, that's where the opportunity is.
Quote:
"While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I never supported slavery, and will never apologize for it.
know that people like Kat and IM2 will never consider any apology or act of contrition to be enough.
Never.
This seems par for the course here in this forum. There is another thread talking abut the over representation of black youth in correction facilities and they want to find reasons this happens that have nothing to do with racism. Black youth are 4 times more likely to be put in corrections faculties than whites and they want to look for any other reason but racism for this happening. Now you and I know that you cannot ignore racism as a factor when you look at the issues pertaining to blacks and in fact any non white group here on this country. but on that forum you have a group of whites much like correll who want to create a story that has nothing to do with reality in order to deny racism.
We've been trying to solve problems by addressing racism as the cause for generations.
THe problems don't seem to be affected by all our efforts at attacking white racism.
Discussing other possible causes for the fucked up state of Black America, is the only responsible course of action.
I just posted a response to someone saying that Blacks are full of hate. I would like to expand on that post. I believe there is a big difference between anger and hate.
Most married folks have been angry with their spouse at one time or another. Most parents have been angry with their children. But being angry at them does not mean that we hate them.
Lots of black people are angry, and with good reason. But how free have they been to express that anger? How much have they held back and for how long? When black people express their anger over slavery they’ve been told to forget about it. That was years ago. We’re tired of hearing about the past. Stop blaming your troubles on somebody else. Pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, etc., etc.
I think that eventually many people stopped expressing themselves and held it in because they always got the same answer. They were told how to think, how to feel and how to respond to something that was done to their ancestors. And all the while they watch other groups hold annual prayer vigils in order to “remember the past, so that we do not repeat it.”
While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
I think Black people have good reason to be angry. I, as a White person, have never felt the pangs from the stares, the negative vibes from the body language, the rejection from the crossing to the other side that many black people have felt. Every time a white person inches away, screws up their face, follows customers around the store, pulls someone over because he looks suspicious, assumes a child can’t learn, passes over someone for a promotion, pays someone less money for the same job, clutches a purse or quickly locks a car door, it is a reminder that for many white people, color still matters. And I don’t think we can get past it until we face it.
I must finally say that I see a big difference between placing blame and telling the truth. People who refuse to hear and accept the truth have no hope of finding solutions to their differences. People who embrace the truth, no matter how painful or self-revealing it may be, will ultimately find themselves set free.
Don't know who is saying to FORGET THE PAST. We can remember the past, but don't blame your neighbor for the past. Telling someone to be focused on the here and now is the best advice, that's where the opportunity is.
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"While some folks think we should forget the past, others, like me, believe we should apologize for it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution apologizing for supporting racism for much of its history. It reads in part, “We unwaveringly denounce racism in all its forms, as deplorable sin; and that we lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”
The words in bold are true. You need to stop the lying. We read the racism in places like this and even as you guys post up racist crap, you tell us that racism is a thing of the past. You guys are being held accountable for your racism now. You are the benefactors of aa system built upon the denial of rights of others. Your opinion does not represent that of the white race as an entirety. You guys are on the fringe extremes of this society. You're a bunch of loons.
YOu did this.
You made this unavoidable.
What adoption studies?Thanks but I saw no evidence backing your conclusions that Blacks have inferior or "bad" genes. It's cultural as proved by adoption studies. Take a black baby out of the ghetto, put them in a middle class home and they become Middle Class Americans. Conversely, stick a white baby in the ghetto and you get another gang-banger.Here's a recent one I posted in response to someone's claim:Feel free to post links about Black "bad genes" and statistics.It is genetic. Blacks get the bad genes a lot more often. It's statistics.Agreed. Evolution in action.I'm not sad about it. It happens.
Again, the problem is cultural not genetic...at least "race" genetics.
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