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Interesting cite, although it seems to raise more questions than it answers. For example, was Jesus an actual person? If so, was he a Jewish rabbi? Were his teachings antithetical to Judaism? If so, which ones? Were any of them legitimate? I understand the hesitancy to address these issues, but I am interested in the Jewish analysis of his reputed teachings as opposed to the subsequent development of the Christian religion.
BELIEVERS LIVE UNDER THE NEW COVNANT UNDER THE BLOOD OF JESUS WHICH SETS US FREE!!! PTL. === So Christ has made us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and dont get all tied up again in the chains of slavery to Jewish laws and ceremonies. 2 Listen to me, for this is serious: if you are counting on circumcision and keeping the Jewish laws to make you right with God, then Christ cannot save you. 3 Ill say it again. Anyone trying to find favor with God by being circumcised must always obey every other Jewish law or perish. 4 Christ is useless to you if you are counting on clearing your debt to God by keeping those laws; you are lost from Gods grace.
5 But we by the help of the Holy Spirit are counting on Christs death to clear away our sins and make us right with God. 6 And we to whom Christ has given eternal life dont need to worry about whether we have been circumcised or not, or whether we are obeying the Jewish ceremonies or not; for all we need is faith working through love.
GALATIONS 4:25-31
Interesting cite, although it seems to raise more questions than it answers. For example, was Jesus an actual person? If so, was he a Jewish rabbi? Were his teachings antithetical to Judaism? If so, which ones? Were any of them legitimate? I understand the hesitancy to address these issues, but I am interested in the Jewish analysis of his reputed teachings as opposed to the subsequent development of the Christian religion.
Scripturally he's irrelevant. Historically though he's very relevant. He was a Jew afterall. Not a very observant one off in his own little imaginary world n all, but we don't dispute he existed and had a following n such.
Intriguing page here about Jewish challenge made to the Vatican over Yeshua. Claims the lineage in Matthew was wrong, and some other contradictions about the Jewish concept of the Messiah and how that isn't how Yeshua was described in the NT. Worth a skim.
The Catholic Church's Response to Our Critique of Christian Credibility - Lawrence Kelemen, Permission To Receive
Scripturally he's irrelevant. Historically though he's very relevant. He was a Jew afterall. Not a very observant one off in his own little imaginary world n all, but we don't dispute he existed and had a following n such.
Intriguing page here about Jewish challenge made to the Vatican over Yeshua. Claims the lineage in Matthew was wrong, and some other contradictions about the Jewish concept of the Messiah and how that isn't how Yeshua was described in the NT. Worth a skim.
The Catholic Church's Response to Our Critique of Christian Credibility - Lawrence Kelemen, Permission To Receive
i was merely commenting on the fact that the o/p seemed to want to address one issue and the post to which i responded wanted to take the thread elsewhere.
as you pointed out, scripturally, jesus is irrelevant to judaism. historically? well, of course he's relevant. but that isn't what the o/p was discussing and not every thread has to be about jesus.
at the time, even jews didn't agree on what the messiah was or would be. some thought he would be a messianic king returning jerusalem and it's surrounds to jewish rule and ousting the romans (which is what they strung jesus up for). some thought he would be a spiritual savior. some (which is my own background) believed it to be some combination of spiritual and kingly.
and of course the lineage was wrong jesus didn't fulfill the prophesies which were also disjointed and not of one view. and he wasn't born in bethlehem, which also violated at least some of the prophesies.
Scripturally he's irrelevant. Historically though he's very relevant. He was a Jew afterall. Not a very observant one off in his own little imaginary world n all, but we don't dispute he existed and had a following n such.
Intriguing page here about Jewish challenge made to the Vatican over Yeshua. Claims the lineage in Matthew was wrong, and some other contradictions about the Jewish concept of the Messiah and how that isn't how Yeshua was described in the NT. Worth a skim.
The Catholic Church's Response to Our Critique of Christian Credibility - Lawrence Kelemen, Permission To Receive
i was merely commenting on the fact that the o/p seemed to want to address one issue and the post to which i responded wanted to take the thread elsewhere.
as you pointed out, scripturally, jesus is irrelevant to judaism. historically? well, of course he's relevant. but that isn't what the o/p was discussing and not every thread has to be about jesus.
at the time, even jews didn't agree on what the messiah was or would be. some thought he would be a messianic king returning jerusalem and it's surrounds to jewish rule and ousting the romans (which is what they strung jesus up for). some thought he would be a spiritual savior. some (which is my own background) believed it to be some combination of spiritual and kingly.
and of course the lineage was wrong jesus didn't fulfill the prophesies which were also disjointed and not of one view. and he wasn't born in bethlehem, which also violated at least some of the prophesies.
I understood. Unfortunately in any discussion about Judaism amongst non-Jews, things are going to come around to Yeshua eventually.For myself, I welcome that since the more people talk about him re:Judaism, the more Scriptural inaccuracies and contradictions I can point out.
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