Have you been 'Trumped'?

[Rumpole]

Sorry, but that is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
Trump can believe absolutely anything he wants, and if he believes there was election fraud, that can not possibly be a "criminal conspiracy to over throw Biden's legitimate election".
Trump being mistaken is not a crime.
He did absolutely nothing harmful to anyone.
And he certainly has a legal right to any opinion, even a wrong one.

He is being charged for engaging in a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election under GA's RICO statues. His acts constitute, not only serious injury to GA, but the nation, as a whole, he has poised the minds of some 65 million people, shaken their confidence of American Democracy.

But we do not know for sure that Trump is even wrong.

We do know for sure. I can debunk it on pure logic grounds.

The courts did NOT find there was no evidence of fraud, at all.

In several cases, evidence was provided, and rejected. I have the Judge's quotes addressing the issue, if you want me to post them. There were over 60 attempts to thwart elections in several key states, all but one case lost, and the one that won, was on insignificant grounds.

All the courts found, is that there no longer was any time to look for fraud.
Same situation Gore found himself in after the 2000 election.
And it really did seem totally wrong for Gore to just give up.
Giving up on the 2000 election really screwed up not just the country, but the whole world.

It appears you are not familiar with the facts.

 

[Rumpole]

It's not criminal to question an election. It is not a 'conspiracy' to question others and take advice from lawyers like Trump did. All Trump has to do is point to all the COVID voting law changes that were made with no approval from State legislators which, in some cases, is illegal. There is a lot of evidence out there of Dominion machines and videos of people able to change votes, connect to the web, etc. Of course, you, being an obedient sheep will just say Baaa Baaa Baaa to any real truth.

It's not criminal to question. But it is criminal to conspire with a large group in an illegal scheme, and take substantial steps in the furtherance of unlawfully overturning an election,

 

[HikerGuy83]

Okay, Trump fans, if you read the GA indictment, it chronicles all of the false statements regarding election fraud, just about every claim of election fraud is listed in that indictment. The lies are 'acts in furtherance of a conspiracy to overthrow Biden's legitimate election'.

Now, the first amendment doesn't protect speech done in the furtherance of a criminal conspiracy, so, it seems to me, the only defense for Trump, et al, will be to prove that all of the false statements in the indictment alleged to be false, his defense will be to prove that they are actually true.

If he can prove his false statements as fact, there is no crime. All of this will come out in trial, and we shall find out if he was lying. I know that he was lying, because no proof of any kind has been produced. I've seen it all. Irregularities, isolated instances, sure, they exist in all elections, but a vast conspiracy to steal the election? No way. It's not even logistically possible, if you would take the time to scrutinize exactly what you are alleging.

See. what I think you Trump fans don't realize is that Trump, what he did was, first he planted the idea into the minds of his base by declaring, months before the first ballot was cast 'the only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election', and when the election came, given that all elections have irregularities, he exploited those irregularities, the kind of which occur in every election, the kind of which are not made a big stink about in past elections, but, alas, Trump could 'trump them up' so to speak, make them seem like the 'fraud' he was talking about when he first told the big lie.

And then the scheme (the conspiracy listed in the GA indictment) unfolded to bolster the lie.

Don't you see what Trump has done? You've been a victim of his treachery, all along, and you don't even know it.

Everything about Trump, his defrauding thousands out of millions for a fake university, his fake charity he was fined $2 million for 'illegal activities', I mean, his paying hush money to a porn star, I could go on and on about his crimes, frauds, all the folks in his entourage indicted, convicted, the man is rife with criminality, it oozes from every pore of his being, he poisons everyone he comes into contact with, and they wind up being indicted, convicted and now 6 more of his lawyer's are being indicted, all of the folks who tried to help in in GA, are being indicted, and trying to steal an election, while accusing dems of doing it, is consistent with who Trump is.

And who is Trump?

It's really simple.

He's the biggest criminal, con man America has ever experienced, and you've been Trumped.

Vote for someone else, Chris Christy, or someone like that, you know, someone who IS NOT A CRIMINAL. I mean, after the crimes of NIxon, Agnew, Reagan, you'd think you guys would have learned your lesson by now, but, I guess not . Oh, I know you think his popularity is rising, yes, with his hard core base. But, when the trials begin, your boy is going to be sitting in court, day after day, revelations, details of his crimes will come to light, the scheme will be front and center, that Biden actually won and that Trump is, indeed, who the prosecution claims him to be, the biggest con man criminal this country has ever seen in the White House and we shall see if his numbers hold during the general elections.

Some things to consider.....

1. Your OP title is a question. But your OP doesn't ask it...it answers it.....so it's misleading.

2. You've convicted him already. Why should they have a trial. After all, they should just talk to you. You know everything and seem fine as judge and jury.

3. But, given that you are not the ultimate authority....or any authority at all.....there is going to be a legal process. A grand jury, and indictment, a trial, a verdict, and appeal and then who knows what.

4. And nobody in all that is going to consult me in the process. You want to know who else they are not going to consult? Yep, that's right....YOU. I know that makes you sad, but you'll get over it.

5. So someone has to ask the question, why all the time wasted on this? Does this make you feel good? Tough? Vindicated? Seriously, what's the deal.

6. I'll sit back, as someone who grudgingly voted for him twice and let the process run and if in the end he is a criminal, he'll be a criminal.

7. Can't say I'm not a little jaded having had to sit through two ****bags of impeachment sillyness....but I'll accept what comes down the pike.

8 I wonder what you'll do if he is acquitted. I can't imagine. We'll probably have to put you on a suicide watch.

 

[HikerGuy83]

he has poised the minds of some 65 million people, shaken their confidence of American Democracy.

No he hasn't, you moron.

Most of us knew what we were getting when we voted for him.

I don't like him. But he was a much better option than Hillary.

But, unlike you, I can keep them out of my head.

 

[HikerGuy83]

because my brain works perfectly

 

[HikerGuy83]

We do know for sure. I can debunk it on pure logic grounds.

You can reason your case. You have ZERO say in the final legal outcome.

You should stop reading your own press releases.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Wrong. And I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that over many decades, it turns out that the economy actually does better under Democratic administrations,.

Yes, I'll bet you couldn't.

You said you were looking for statistics.

And you didn't reason anything there because you don't understand that statistics in their raw form rarely tell a complete story.

Great job.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You're a ring wing moron and full of shit, I really can't dignify your tired alt right tropes because they have no place in public discourse among intelligent, thoughtful, people.

That's why he posts them to you.

 

[Leo123]

It's not criminal to question. But it is criminal to conspire with a large group in an illegal scheme, and take substantial steps in the furtherance of unlawfully overturning an election,

What? 'Conspire' to find more legal votes? 'Conspire' to ask your VP to do what is legal? 'Conspire' to have a rally? 'Conspire' to do WHAT exactly? Get the votes recounted again? Try to stop the certification legally? You're so fucking stupid it hurts.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If there was a law against politicians lying to you, Trump would have been locked up a long time ago. On over 4,000 counts.

He'd share a cell with just about every other federal politician in the last 40 years.

Not excusing his extreme hyperbolic B.S.

Just sayin'.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Read. The. Indictment.

Why ?

It does me no good.

I am not sitting on the jury.

The process will run. A result will occur.

 

[Leo123]

He'd share a cell with just about every other federal politician in the last 40 years.

Not excusing his extreme hyperbolic B.S.

Just sayin'.

I like Trump's hyperbole. It really melts snowflake lefties and despots like Putin and Rocket Man.

 

[YoursTruly]

A conspiracy to unlawfully overturn the election. It's already been filed under GA RICO statutes. 19 people 41 felony counts.


Any substantial act committed for the purpose of furthering a criminal conspiracy is a crime under GA RICO statutes. Each count will be litigated. some will stand, some won't. But, in the end, conviction is likely, most legal minds agree. The evidence is overwhelming.

Trump's only hope is to prove his allegations of election fraud are correct. But, if he can do that, he'd be able to achieve what no lawyer in over 60 lawsuits were unable to achieve, what Giuliani was unable to achieve, what the pillow guy was unable to achieve, and that he could do that, it would be a miracle, as the man has no idea what real proof is, he's too stupid. In fact, he's criminally stupid.

I don't give a crap about what's been filed, who filed them, or who's been indicted. They're all just BS charges. Like I said, I can't stand Trump. But I despise a corrupt government prosecuting political opponents because of things they thought, questions they ask and requests they made for investigations.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Vote for someone else, indeed, vote for anyone who's not a criminal,

Has he been convicted ?

What if he's acquitted ?

 

[Leo123]

Why ?

It does me no good.

I am not sitting on the jury.

The process will run. A result will occur.

Why God Damn!!! Ahhh gots the indaaatmant right here!!! It says, they say that some other polticians SAY Trump is a real bad hombre. What it don't say is what he actually did.....Oh yeah it says he'us goona do some bad shit.....but it don't say what bad shit and where that bad shit is. I'm thinkin' those varmints are pullin' a fast one!! They're prolly fixn' to gather a lynch mob.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Correct. Will you believe he is guilty if he is convicted?

I will believe he is convicted. He faces the consquences. I won't know (or care) one way or the other is innocent because there is nothing I can do about it. Life will go on.

Trump has done himself no favors.

Will you accept his acquittal if it happens ?

 

[HikerGuy83]

I really can't dignify your tired alt right tropes

You mean you can't defend them.

We know.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Trump broke at least 90 laws

That' been alleged. It's not a fact, yet.

Do you strive to be an ass or is it a problem you can't shed ?

 

[Leo123]

That' been alleged. It's not a fact, yet.

Do you strive to be an ass or is it a problem you can't shed ?

Rumpy got TDS

 

[HikerGuy83]

Anyone who votes for Trump has no concept of what wisdom is.

Your worst nightmare.

Suck on it.