Here We Go: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

[Syriusly]

Seems that Biden was forwarding official US policy

So what you're saying is Obama was the head extortionist since foreign policy is his decision alone.

I'm saying that the whole bases for trying to cite corruption as a motive for Trump asking Ukraine to investigate the Biden's makes objectively no sense. For many reasons of which one is that Biden doesn't have the power to influence foreign policy decisions as described.

For the assertions to be true one would have to believe that the vice-president of the United States has the political clout to not only have the President withhold loans to Ukraine. But the clout to have Great Britain, France, and the IMF providing cover for it. For the purpose of firing a prosecutor to stop an investigation which was already stopped that was targetted at 2 people on a board that had as another member that Vice-Presidents son. An investigation that was started more than a year before that son even was put on the board by the way.

Not for nothing that seems to go beyond what any sane person would consider credulous.

My question is have you ever even tried to fact-check any of the allegations?

Good recap.

To continue- if Trump really thought that some corruption was going on- why did he make a secret call to Ukraine rather than make a formal request for an investigation- or even better task the FBI with investigating and making the formal request to Ukraine?

We know from testimony and from documents that Ukraine asked the Trump administration several times for a written formal request for the investigation it wanted on the Bidens.

Why, if Trump was really concerned about corruption, did Trump never make a formal request- instead make secret overtures with no papertrail to Ukraine?

Its pretty obvious.

 

[Syriusly]

So let's do this. What was the intent of the firing that was corrupt and be specific please. What do you figure the person Biden stood to gain from this firing?

'Let's do this'?!

It's been done countless times on this board, all of which you have avoided.

You mean like you avoid actually addressing the facts?

 

[Syriusly]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Donald Trump still faces dozens of ongoing lawsuits, investigations after his impeachment trial
Great, so you feel having complaints against you filed is disqualifying? Or does that only apply to Democrats?

sideshow bob makes an appearance. this has nothing to do with complaints being filed.

it has everything to do with *was shokin investigating biden at the time he was told to be fired"?

if so - you can't get more (excuse me while i borrow the dems favorite term) quid pro quo than that.

so - does quid pro quo only apply to trump or are you also willing to apply it to biden if it fits?

back to you.

Nope, it applies to everybody. If you can in any way prove that that quid pro quo had corrupt intent it is by itself impeachable.

Most things in life are a quid pro quo. If I go to a store and buy something I give money in exchange for goods for instance. On the other hand, if I tell you to rob a store or I'll kill your wife that has corrupt intent. To put it simply. For you to try to draw an equivalency here you need to be able to assert that the motive for Shokins firing was corrupt.

So let's do this. What was the intent of the firing that was corrupt and be specific please. What do you figure the person Biden stood to gain from this firing? Did he have the means to assert pressure and the opportunity to do so? Method, motive and opportunity.

Not gonna rehash.

But it is worth Trump looking into. Anything else is speculation.

Then why didn't Trump actually formally ask Ukraine to look into it? Or the FBI?

Instead of a secret phone call and his personal attorney secretly pressuring Ukraine to publicly announce an investigation into his political opponent?

 

[forkup]

I've not been on here in months so humor me.

Lame excuse for being ignorant AND lazy. Catch up on your reading then come back and talk to us.

I have read it. Unlike you, I know the timeline of when Hunter Biden was hired and when the investigation started, I know who was being investigated (tip it wasn't Biden because he wasn't even there at the time). I also know when the investigation ended ( another tip it was before Joe Biden ever talked to Ukraine about firing Shokin) I've read the contemporaneous articles that talked about the reason why Shokin needed to be fired. Unlike you, I know that the power to withhold loans does not lie with the vice-president. I also know that the President doesn't have the power to simply enlist 2 foreign nations and the IMF for the purpose of doing 2 business associates of the son of his Vice-president a favor they don't really need. Seems to me I know a hell of a lot more than you.

So what about it? what do you assert that Joe Biden had to gain specifically?

 

[easyt65]

You mean like you avoid actually addressing the facts?

Speaking of avoiding facts. The facts have been addressed numerous times....by those who can handle them. Others, lime you either avoid them or keep asking for them over and over, refusing to accept them every time.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Donald Trump still faces dozens of ongoing lawsuits, investigations after his impeachment trial
Great, so you feel having complaints against you filed is disqualifying? Or does that only apply to Democrats?

It means if Biden becomes president, we impeach him.

Ah, I see. Good on you. Go right ahead. If you think you can make an impeachment case on the basis of a complaint simply being filed in an Ukranian court more power to you.

the dimicrits have lowered the bar for impeaching any president.....henceforth hear ye hear ye....impeachment is now a partisan political tool to attack any president....especially one you know you cannot defeat in an election or it could be said in another way....do away with elections and let congress select the president.....oh..........excuse me that is the parlimentary aka english method....perhaps we need a parlimentantary form of government? anyone opposed to that?

 

[Andylusion]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Oddly, I actually think that if the Democrats had simply ignored this phone call, I think there never would have been a real investigation, never would have had this Hunter crap come up, Biden would have one the nomination, and likely the election.

But they have dug a massive pit, and now they are falling into it themselves.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Quid Pro Quo Biden admitted to withholding money going to Ukraine to get him fired, slam dunk case.

Looks like a bad week to try and quit eating popcorn.

Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Says Joe Biden ‘Abused His Power,’ Files Federal Complaint Against Him

 

[forkup]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Donald Trump still faces dozens of ongoing lawsuits, investigations after his impeachment trial
Great, so you feel having complaints against you filed is disqualifying? Or does that only apply to Democrats?

sideshow bob makes an appearance. this has nothing to do with complaints being filed.

it has everything to do with *was shokin investigating biden at the time he was told to be fired"?

if so - you can't get more (excuse me while i borrow the dems favorite term) quid pro quo than that.

so - does quid pro quo only apply to trump or are you also willing to apply it to biden if it fits?

back to you.

Nope, it applies to everybody. If you can in any way prove that that quid pro quo had corrupt intent it is by itself impeachable.

Most things in life are a quid pro quo. If I go to a store and buy something I give money in exchange for goods for instance. On the other hand, if I tell you to rob a store or I'll kill your wife that has corrupt intent. To put it simply. For you to try to draw an equivalency here you need to be able to assert that the motive for Shokins firing was corrupt.

So let's do this. What was the intent of the firing that was corrupt and be specific please. What do you figure the person Biden stood to gain from this firing? Did he have the means to assert pressure and the opportunity to do so? Method, motive and opportunity.

Not gonna rehash.

But it is worth Trump looking into. Anything else is speculation.

It seems a theme among the right actually that when asked to be specific they fail always to do so. And no it's not speculation at all. Things like what, when, and how something happened are in the public realm, and with what is available in the public realm it is clear that accusing Joe Biden of corrupt intent makes objectively no sense.

Nepotism isn't corrupt, luckily for Trump I would say. It might be unethical but there is a difference.

 

[forkup]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Donald Trump still faces dozens of ongoing lawsuits, investigations after his impeachment trial
Great, so you feel having complaints against you filed is disqualifying? Or does that only apply to Democrats?

It means if Biden becomes president, we impeach him.

Ah, I see. Good on you. Go right ahead. If you think you can make an impeachment case on the basis of a complaint simply being filed in an Ukranian court more power to you.

the dimicrits have lowered the bar for impeaching any president.....henceforth hear ye hear ye....impeachment is now a partisan political tool to attack any president....especially one you know you cannot defeat in an election or it could be said in another way....do away with elections and let congress select the president.....oh..........excuse me that is the parlimentary aka english method....perhaps we need a parlimentantary form of government? anyone opposed to that?

Lol. The Democrats have lowered it? Didn't the GOP try to impeach a president over getting a blowjob?

 

[BlindBoo]

So Trumpybear has resorted to importing corrupt Russian leaning Ukrainians to whine like bitches for him now?

Lets bring all the Ukrainians over for a chat, or at least the ones under indictment. Like the ones Obama's policy was hurting.

 

[Syriusly]

You mean like you avoid actually addressing the facts?

Speaking of avoiding facts. The facts have been addressed numerous times....by those who can handle them. Others, lime you either avoid them or keep asking for them over and over, refusing to accept them every time.

The facts have been addressed multiple times.

The fact is that Joe Biden openly pressured the Ukraine to fire Shokin as part of official American foreign policy- with the support the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian watchdog groups.
The fact is that you Trumpkins have yet to find any evidence to support any of your claims of corruption by Joe Biden- yet you continue to claim he is guilty.
The fact is that Trump made a secret call to the government of Ukraine asking them to investigate his political rival- not corruption, not anyone else- just two people named Biden.
The fact is that Trump had his personal attorney secretly pressuring the government of Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation into the Bidens.
The fact is that Trump never made a formal written request for Ukraine to investigate the Biden's or Burisma.

Yeah the facts have been addressed several times. You Trumpskies just ignore the facts and continue parroting Trump's smear campaign.

 

[lantern2814]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Donald Trump still faces dozens of ongoing lawsuits, investigations after his impeachment trial
Great, so you feel having complaints against you filed is disqualifying? Or does that only apply to Democrats?

It means if Biden becomes president, we impeach him.

Ah, I see. Good on you. Go right ahead. If you think you can make an impeachment case on the basis of a complaint simply being filed in an Ukranian court more power to you.

That would be a slam dunk case and Joe would be done. As opposed to your total lack of anything resembling evidence in your current farce as Schitt and company are getting smeared all over the Senate floor.

 

[Syriusly]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Oddly, I actually think that if the Democrats had simply ignored this phone call, I think there never would have been a real investigation, never would have had this Hunter crap come up, Biden would have one the nomination, and likely the election.

But they have dug a massive pit, and now they are falling into it themselves.

I am okay with the Democrats actually not ignoring Trump's attempt to corrupt our election. What we don't know is how many other phone calls like this he has made to other heads of state to try to get them to influence our elections- where no whistleblower had the courage to come forth officially report it.

 

[CowboyTed]

You mean like you avoid actually addressing the facts?

Speaking of avoiding facts. The facts have been addressed numerous times....by those who can handle them. Others, lime you either avoid them or keep asking for them over and over, refusing to accept them every time.

could you post the facts with actual evidence...

Gateway Pundit is your wank mag not a serious site..

 

[easyt65]

You mean like you avoid actually addressing the facts?

Speaking of avoiding facts. The facts have been addressed numerous times....by those who can handle them. Others, lime you either avoid them or keep asking for them over and over, refusing to accept them every time.

The facts have been addressed multiple times.

The fact is that Joe Biden openly pressured the Ukraine to fire Shokin as part of official American foreign policy- with the support the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian watchdog groups.
The fact is that you Trumpkins have yet to find any evidence to support any of your claims of corruption by Joe Biden- yet you continue to claim he is guilty.
The fact is that Trump made a secret call to the government of Ukraine asking them to investigate his political rival- not corruption, not anyone else- just two people named Biden.
The fact is that Trump had his personal attorney secretly pressuring the government of Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation into the Bidens.
The fact is that Trump never made a formal written request for Ukraine to investigate the Biden's or Burisma.

Yeah the facts have been addressed several times. You Trumpskies just ignore the facts and continue parroting Trump's smear campaign.

Bwuhahahaha

Biden's videotaped confession of extorting the Ukraine PM speaks for itself, yet Nadler and Biden both made it clear Obama was complicit.

Trump's 'secret' phone call must be the world's worst kept secret, one - according to Dr. Hill and Ambassador Yavonovich, was part of Trump's Foreign Picy from the beginning.

The desperate whines and attempts of snowflakes to convince anyone who will listen that Biden's videotaped confession never happened is pricelessly entertaining....

Almost as much as the fired Ukraine prosecutor using Biden's own moronic videotaped confession against him in this judicial complaint against him

Bwuhahahahs

 

[CowboyTed]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Biden needs to suspend his campaign and testify under oath! He must prove his innocence!

If he's got nothing to hide

Straight after Trump does the same thing...

 

[easyt65]

You mean like you avoid actually addressing the facts?

Speaking of avoiding facts. The facts have been addressed numerous times....by those who can handle them. Others, lime you either avoid them or keep asking for them over and over, refusing to accept them every time.

could you post the facts with actual evidence...

Gateway Pundit is your wank mag not a serious site..

Bwuhahahahsahhh, my 2nd favorite desperate snowflake tactic - attempting to discredit the source when they have nothing to oppose what is being reported.

I love the smell of snowflake desperation...

 

[lantern2814]

Biden needs to suspend his campaign and testify under oath! He must prove his innocence!
If he's got nothing to hide

True....as Democrats have insisted, Biden is 'GUILTY until PROVEN innocent'. That's how it works now....right, snowflakes?!

Sorry little Trumpsky Fascist.

Democrats insist on due process.

Unlike your Dear Leader who has proclaimed that Biden is guilty without any trial or even investigation.

If Trump has nothing to hide- why isn't he insisting on testifying before the Senate?

Sorry you uneducated Commie idiot. Secret meetings with Schitt not allowing questions or witnesses he doesn’t approve of is not due process moron. By the way idiot, Trump has no need to testify because you HAVE NO CASE! Burden of proof is on YOU and you fail. YOU idiots declared Trump guilty and are now getting your asses handed to you.

 

[CowboyTed]

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

Joe Biden and Democrats have then gone out on an international smear campaign to destroy Viktor Shokin’s education.

On Tuesday fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin filed an official complaint against Joe Biden for interference in Ukraine’s legal proceedings.

French news Les Crisis reported:

Today we present you this exclusive document: the complaint of former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin against Joe Biden for interference in the legal proceedings of Ukraine – which incidentally cites our UkraineGate investigation …

And Biden was kind enough to give the following videotaped confession of extorting the former Ukraine PM into firing Shokin, which will be more than enough evidence to prove Shokin's case against Biden.....







Thanks, Joe!




BREAKING: Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin FILES FEDERAL COMPLAINT Against Joe Biden

Donald Trump still faces dozens of ongoing lawsuits, investigations after his impeachment trial
Great, so you feel having complaints against you filed is disqualifying? Or does that only apply to Democrats?

sideshow bob makes an appearance. this has nothing to do with complaints being filed.

it has everything to do with *was shokin investigating biden at the time he was told to be fired"?

if so - you can't get more (excuse me while i borrow the dems favorite term) quid pro quo than that.

so - does quid pro quo only apply to trump or are you also willing to apply it to biden if it fits?

back to you.

it has everything to do with *was shokin investigating biden at the time he was told to be fired"?

Thats not true... Please prove it with evidence...

Why are ye backing a well known corrupt person...