Hillary- Obamacare Problem- Rates Increase ~16%

[Flash]

The real legacy of Obamacare. Slavery to the government.

 

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I agree that government interference in the marketplace is a BIG (perhaps the largest) component of the costs, however I doubt it's the sole contributing factor. I think one also needs to break down the specifics of the government interventions along with the associated costs for each in order to make a compelling case against further intervention (or better yet making the case for rolling back intervention) by government.

Health Care is just like any other commodity. The free market will provide the best service at the lowest possible price. The free market cannot do that with massive government interference on the scale like we are seeing nowadays.

The government needs to get out of the business of telling the health care provides how to run their business. The government also needs to get out of the business of stealing money from one person to pay for the health care of another person. That is simply wrong on several levels.

 

[BluesLegend]

Try to get this through your head. Insurance companies are not responsible for the increase in healthcare costs. They are about 5 percent of the cost so eliminating them would not be a huge effect. The cost of healthcare, you know seeing the doctor, x-rays and such is what is increasing. Along with the drug companies gouging which Obama didn't do a thing about or even try. After all he wanted the drug companies support for Obamacare. We were sold out.

Oh, but they are...they are the beneficiaries of healthcare increases. Most hospitals agree to pay a certain amount based on agreements with insurers, the rest is paid by the insurer. Surely you must know this? If we had a single payer system, not only would hospital cost go down, but everyone would benefit from this. Yet its time, this country horn in 20 bucks for a tylonel and these huge profits hospitals impose just to have the newest bs equiptment that nobody can afford to use.

Interesting, that in the first part you seem to disagree and in the second party you agree. How does single payer reduce the cost of the actual health care? How does Obamacare address hospitals buying "BS equipment" they don't need?

You do realize that the states setting up exchanges and the federal marketplace only matters if you get a subsidy? The choices of healthcare insurance are exactly the same whether bought on the exchanges or just bought from the company themselves. so single payer isn't going to reduce costs it can't as can't Obamacare, except for those who get subsidized.

First off, theres not one hospital where I live, that' isn't under construction, not one. There's not one doctor that I'm aware of who's thrown in the towel and works at McDonalds today. Dr's are overpaid, over worked and do quite well in this country...few need a bake sale or a food drive to live. And I have yet to see any hospital go out of business due to ACA or any type of funding denied, same with clinics...so somebody is making profit. As for single payer.....when you take out profit, you have a system based solely on heathcare....one more time, when you take out the middle man, those expecting profit, you have more financial resources at your disposal.

God you are ignorant about the healthcare industry. Pretty much everything you said is wrong.

To educate one's self, one need only to google to find facts and fiction and bullshit...I stand by my assessment and if you happen to disagree....well, guess what the world does not end, eh?

I work in the healthcare industry turd brain.

 

[NightFox]

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I agree that government interference in the marketplace is a BIG (perhaps the largest) component of the costs, however I doubt it's the sole contributing factor. I think one also needs to break down the specifics of the government interventions along with the associated costs for each in order to make a compelling case against further intervention (or better yet making the case for rolling back intervention) by government.

Health Care is just like any other commodity. The free market will provide the best service at the lowest possible price. The free market cannot do that with massive government interference on the scale like we are seeing nowadays.

The government needs to get out of the business of telling the health care provides how to run their business. The government also needs to get out of the business of stealing money from one person to pay for the health care of another person. That is simply wrong on several levels.

I don't disagree, however you will never be able to formulate an argument that will convince a majority of sheeple of that without being able to detail what specific government interference (at all levels) is in place and exactly how much each one is contributing to the costs and reducing overall quality. Without those details political sophistry will reign supreme and the sheeple will just continue voting for policies that stagger from one government intervention created crisis to the next in the health care market, until ultimately the sheeple acquiesce to a full scale government take over of it (as has happened in other countries).

 

[Flash]

Isn't it absolutely amazing that even after Jonathan Gruber admitted that the Obama Administration lied about Obamacare and after the premiums, co payments and deductibles have sky rocketed and after everybody and their little brown dog has dumped Obamacare that there are still Gruberidiots trying to justify the stupid program?

Of course these are same moons that voted for Obama and will vote for Crooked Hillary so you know they are not exactly the best and the brightest.

 

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I don't disagree, however you will never be able to formulate an argument that will convince a majority of sheeple of that without being able to detail what specific government interference (at all levels) is in place and exactly how much each one is contributing to the costs and reducing overall quality. Without those details political sophistry will reign supreme and the sheeple will just continue voting for policies that stagger from one government intervention created crisis to the next in the health care market, until ultimately the sheeple acquiesce to a full scale government take over of it (as has happened in other countries).

These idiots that support stupid government programs like Obamacare are all about getting their free stuff so they don't give a damn about the cost and the destruction.

These Left Wingers are greedy SOBs that have never cared about the consequences of their greed. You can't convince them of anything rational. They want their free stuff and they want it now.

 

[Conservative65]

State Governors aren't accepting it because they don't want to be saddled with the bill for it once the REAL costs kick in...you know the costs that Barry, Harry and Nancy lied about to get this mess passed in the first place?

But they do swallow the cost in the end.....every single time a uninsured person shows up in the emergency room, the maternity ward, clinics or what ever, guess who pays for the shit, you stupid fuck head.....the states!!!! OR they go beggin all tax payers to foot the bill, but in the end you fuck nut, somebody pays and it sure as hell isn't the uninsured.

Since you claim to care for people, shouldn't YOU be paying the bills when they can't?

And I do...every time an illegal shows up to pop out a bean taco kid or some nigga gets shot and is sent to the emergency room, my local and state taxes which is high as fuck, foots the fuckin bill....next stupid whine?

So you didn't read how I said you could do it. Pay attention. I'll put it in ebonics if it will help you.

Huh? You talking to me?

You aren't listening. You talked about taxes paying for it. I'm not talking about the examples you gave. I don't think taxpayers should have to fund that. I'm talking about the every day situations where someone doesn't have coverage. YOU are more than welcome to provide it to them.

 

[Conservative65]

And for the record, insurance costs has been going up for years, for years....long before Obama came along. Today they've found a easier way to gauge the public and its through these enormous deductibles that have to be met before they spend a pity out of pocket.....just another way to fuck the american public, something the GOP has co signed onto and don't give a shit about. And for those still pointing fingers at ACA....well, the republican party had a chance back in the day to add their imput, their signature, there part in all this and they did nothing, but offer a 5000 dollar voucher and endless court hearings on getting rid of it.

What is offered does not sustain itself

Again, I was better off all the way around prior to ACA.

-Geaux

And so was I.....but guess what, US companies shop for cheap insurance for their employers.....in order to garner more profit for themselves...something I don't blame ACA for, but corporate america's greed...finger pointing time again!!

yes us companies will shop for cheeper plans there is no question their but the ACA says you have to have a certain amount of insurance to the plan that the Federal government will accept so your point here is pointless

Listen, if you do anything going forward, please for the sake of God educated yourself. ACA provides the following...free mamogram, pap smear, birth control and yearly testing.....when you have these high cost procedures tackled from the onset, you prevent things from happening, like unwanted pregnancies, breast cancer and ovarian cancers....especially among a younger generation. Learn and stop the bitching.

ahhhh are you speaking to me??? it seems you didn't read the whole post .... freewill was talking about companies shopping around ...My response to him/her was thats fine, but the all have to live up to the ACA requirements ... meaning the have to have free mamogram, pap smear, birth control and yearly testing, unwanted pregnancies, breast cancer and ovarian cancers ... this I agree with you on ... all accept one word ... you say its free ... thats a bad misguided word to republicans ... yes it free to the patient but the insurance company pays for the hospital isn't out of they expense, they get paid lets make that clear...

When are you dumbasses on the left going to learn the definition of free?

 

[Conservative65]

Whatever we did or whatever we do it still leaves some questions.

What do we do with the population who can't pay for medical insurance much less health care at any price?

What do we do with costs of medical care increasing at a rate higher than inflation? Much higher? I am not talking about the cut that the health care insurance company takes, I am talking about the escalation in the cost of the actual care.

So while we all agree Obamacare could have been done much better I don't see where it is causing the rates to increase, except for the FACT that more people ARE covered who HAD previous conditions that prevented them from being able to buy healthcare insurance at pretty much any price.

So alternatives need to be investigated and proposed.

are you for real??? really are you????

answer to your first question is the easiest one of all ... if your state takes the ACA to their state, those who can't afford it go on Medicaid and are covered 100% thats the way its set up ... I realize you never really looked at the ACA plan cause this is the stupidest question you've asked ...

Actually this is the second stupidest question you have asked ... heres how we stop the cost going up ... all states that hasn't accepted the ACA plan, cause their republican governor refuses to accept it, is forced to accept it ... mcost goes down ... next stupid question???

yes I agree Obama care could have been done much better ... the fact that they allowed states to opt out of the ACA was their biggest mistake in the ACA ...so the first thing they could do is stop republican governors from opting out of the ACA ... problems solved ...

State Governors aren't accepting it because they don't want to be saddled with the bill for it once the REAL costs kick in...you know the costs that Barry, Harry and Nancy lied about to get this mess passed in the first place?

the reason governors won't accept it, it will could cause it to fail .. as soon as you get a democrat for governor he will accept it ... then your problem is that you will have, is you will see how much better it is and how much cheaper it is and they don't want that ...

The state of Ky....was a model for the ACA because so many signed up for it and the state actually lowered its cost of healthcare....but white people so stupid, so hatin on the black guy in the white house, voted for a Tea Party nut and now these sorry fucks are all running around with their fingers stuck up their ass cause dude is forcing the out.....why? Because the dumb hicks, thought Obamacare and ACA were two different things...that's how stupid white people are in this country and how blind they are to FACTS!!

the other day I saw a white woman at a trump rally, this is a little of subject, with a souther accent ... she said when trump is elected he will throw out those people in congress to get work done ...I just shook my head

Black unemployment is twice as high as that of whites, 1 1/2 times that of hispanic, and 2 1/3 times greater than Asians yet blacks voted for a black President. Blacks receive food stamps at a rate of 1 out of every 3 1/2 yet they voted for a black President. Looks like to me that they aren't very smart.

Average IQ comparing blacks and whites shows a 15 point difference. Those are facts. Maybe that's why blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. They aren't smart enough to figure out Democrats want them on the plantation.

 

[rightwinger]

Obamacare has very few provisions to keep costs down

Why is the Republican Congress doing something about the rising costs of healthcare?

 

[tigerred59]

Oh, but they are...they are the beneficiaries of healthcare increases. Most hospitals agree to pay a certain amount based on agreements with insurers, the rest is paid by the insurer. Surely you must know this? If we had a single payer system, not only would hospital cost go down, but everyone would benefit from this. Yet its time, this country horn in 20 bucks for a tylonel and these huge profits hospitals impose just to have the newest bs equiptment that nobody can afford to use.

Interesting, that in the first part you seem to disagree and in the second party you agree. How does single payer reduce the cost of the actual health care? How does Obamacare address hospitals buying "BS equipment" they don't need?

You do realize that the states setting up exchanges and the federal marketplace only matters if you get a subsidy? The choices of healthcare insurance are exactly the same whether bought on the exchanges or just bought from the company themselves. so single payer isn't going to reduce costs it can't as can't Obamacare, except for those who get subsidized.

First off, theres not one hospital where I live, that' isn't under construction, not one. There's not one doctor that I'm aware of who's thrown in the towel and works at McDonalds today. Dr's are overpaid, over worked and do quite well in this country...few need a bake sale or a food drive to live. And I have yet to see any hospital go out of business due to ACA or any type of funding denied, same with clinics...so somebody is making profit. As for single payer.....when you take out profit, you have a system based solely on heathcare....one more time, when you take out the middle man, those expecting profit, you have more financial resources at your disposal.

God you are ignorant about the healthcare industry. Pretty much everything you said is wrong.

To educate one's self, one need only to google to find facts and fiction and bullshit...I stand by my assessment and if you happen to disagree....well, guess what the world does not end, eh?

I work in the healthcare industry turd brain.

Cleaning up blood from a HIV prison clinic in L.A don't count!!

 

[tigerred59]

Isn't it absolutely amazing that even after Jonathan Gruber admitted that the Obama Administration lied about Obamacare and after the premiums, co payments and deductibles have sky rocketed and after everybody and their little brown dog has dumped Obamacare that there are still Gruberidiots trying to justify the stupid program?

Of course these are same moons that voted for Obama and will vote for Crooked Hillary so you know they are not exactly the best and the brightest.

Fact.....more people are happy with ACA than those who are not, that is fact. The problem is the media only gives a rats fuck about angry white lice balls and the hell with the rest of the planet. So take your tired white ass the hell back to the cave and come out when Trump is elected...deal?

 

[NightFox]

Fact.....more people are happy with ACA than those who are not, that is fact.

What empirical evidence do you have that supports that your assertion is indeed a fact? after all facts are not created by decree.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Look, anyone with a brain knew what a cluster this was going to be, and it is.

Average rate hikes of 16% because not enough are joining the cluster train and more are sicker than previously expected.

Duh, lets see..... You take a bunch of free loaders with no pre-exisiting condition clause... What could go wrong?

-Geaux
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But the size of premium increases could still spell trouble.

ObamaCare premiums are expected to rise more this year in part because insurers initially set their premiums too low. The pool of enrollees has been smaller and sicker than expected and many insurers now need to raise premiums to stop losing money.

An analysis from the consulting firm Avalere Health last week found that early data from nine states indicate an average 16 percent premium increase, compared to about 6 percent at this point last year.

There are examples of even bigger increases. Providence Health Plan, one of Oregon’s largest insurers, is seeking a 29.6 percent increase.

Hillary's ObamaCare problem

IRS is not even enforcing Obamacare because the law is so vague and contradictory they don't even know what to do.

 

[tigerred59]

Fact.....more people are happy with ACA than those who are not, that is fact.

What empirical evidence do you have that supports that your assertion is indeed a fact? after all facts are not created by decree.

Poll after poll after poll, when asked, most people are very satisfied with ACA. Them is facts. FOr the last time, white people do not dictate facts in this country, all people do....its just that the media only hears your voices and the hell with minorities or women or latino's etc...if a white man don't like it, the country don't like it....like get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

 

[NightFox]

Fact.....more people are happy with ACA than those who are not, that is fact.

What empirical evidence do you have that supports that your assertion is indeed a fact? after all facts are not created by decree.

Poll after poll after poll, when asked, most people are very satisfied with ACA.

Which polls? Do you have any that you can present along with the specifics as to who was polled and what specific questions they were asked? did the polls include those that are not receiving direct and/or indirect ACA subsidies? How do you define "most people"?

A poll asking a person who is receiving a subsidy that is funded by someone Elses labor whether or not they "like" receiving that subsidy is a completely worthless poll since human nature and self interest dictates the response not reason and evidence.

Them is facts.

You have presented only unfounded assertions not facts, again facts require evidence and you have yet to present even a shred of it.

FOr the last time, white people do not dictate facts in this country, all people do.....

How do "all people" dictate facts? Are you now asserting that facts are determined by a universal agreement instead of actual supporting evidence?

 

[Norman]

Look, anyone with a brain knew what a cluster this was going to be, and it is.

Average rate hikes of 16% because not enough are joining the cluster train and more are sicker than previously expected.

Duh, lets see..... You take a bunch of free loaders with no pre-exisiting condition clause... What could go wrong?

-Geaux
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But the size of premium increases could still spell trouble.

ObamaCare premiums are expected to rise more this year in part because insurers initially set their premiums too low. The pool of enrollees has been smaller and sicker than expected and many insurers now need to raise premiums to stop losing money.

An analysis from the consulting firm Avalere Health last week found that early data from nine states indicate an average 16 percent premium increase, compared to about 6 percent at this point last year.

There are examples of even bigger increases. Providence Health Plan, one of Oregon’s largest insurers, is seeking a 29.6 percent increase.

Hillary's ObamaCare problem

What is the GOP-igs solution? On average, my premiums went up every single enrollment period at my job, every other year, my premiums would go up....why do you fuck heads now blame ACA for something INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN DOING FOR FUCKIN YEARS???? Better still, where is the outrage at the Insurance industry, that pays pennies on the dollar until deductibles are met? Where is the outrage of insurance companies denying needed procedures because their bottom line is effected...yet continue to take your premium money? Where is the outrage from the insurance industry who got millions of new clients in their clutches? I'll tell you, there is NONE and finally where is the outrage from idiots like you, who whined like bitches paying for the uninsured, who whined like little whores when CEO's were getting million dollar perks for saving the industry money, while people died?

Stop finding excuses to protect a industry that's built on profits instead of human care. I'm sick of you people and if you have a better solution, find a fuckin suggestion box and stuff it there or shut the fuck up!!

16% is a lot.

The wonders of the regresive cognition:

 

[Oldstyle]

Isn't it absolutely amazing that even after Jonathan Gruber admitted that the Obama Administration lied about Obamacare and after the premiums, co payments and deductibles have sky rocketed and after everybody and their little brown dog has dumped Obamacare that there are still Gruberidiots trying to justify the stupid program?

Of course these are same moons that voted for Obama and will vote for Crooked Hillary so you know they are not exactly the best and the brightest.

Fact.....more people are happy with ACA than those who are not, that is fact. The problem is the media only gives a rats fuck about angry white lice balls and the hell with the rest of the planet. So take your tired white ass the hell back to the cave and come out when Trump is elected...deal?

Tiger...the "FACT" is that more people were unhappy with the ACA than were happy with it even back when Barry, Harry and Nancy were lying to them about it with false promises about what it would cost and being able to keep your doctor. You liberals pushed the ACA through DESPITE what the American people wanted because you wanted to take a giant step towards government paid and controlled healthcare. The only people that are happy with the ACA are the ones getting the huge subsidies that will be going on the taxpayer's tab. Middle Class Americans are slowly coming to the realization that they're the ones who will be paying for this mess.

 

[davecmarino]

Fact.....more people are happy with ACA than those who are not, that is fact.

What empirical evidence do you have that supports that your assertion is indeed a fact? after all facts are not created by decree.

Poll after poll after poll, when asked, most people are very satisfied with ACA. Them is facts. FOr the last time, white people do not dictate facts in this country, all people do....its just that the media only hears your voices and the hell with minorities or women or latino's etc...if a white man don't like it, the country don't like it....like get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Show that anti-white racism, gotta love that bullshit. If you are getting subsidized by then you love this shit ass law. Once you have to pay full price like the working class, you will hate it too.

This next election, the country is going to be taken back by the working class. The lazy motherfucker class will be the ones who have to deal with it this time.

This country is going broke and has no choice to dump the lazy motherfucker ideology in favor of something more realist.

Time to cut all the charity cases from the federal payroll.

 

[Oldstyle]

Look, anyone with a brain knew what a cluster this was going to be, and it is.

Average rate hikes of 16% because not enough are joining the cluster train and more are sicker than previously expected.

Duh, lets see..... You take a bunch of free loaders with no pre-exisiting condition clause... What could go wrong?

-Geaux
------------

But the size of premium increases could still spell trouble.

ObamaCare premiums are expected to rise more this year in part because insurers initially set their premiums too low. The pool of enrollees has been smaller and sicker than expected and many insurers now need to raise premiums to stop losing money.

An analysis from the consulting firm Avalere Health last week found that early data from nine states indicate an average 16 percent premium increase, compared to about 6 percent at this point last year.

There are examples of even bigger increases. Providence Health Plan, one of Oregon’s largest insurers, is seeking a 29.6 percent increase.

Hillary's ObamaCare problem

IRS is not even enforcing Obamacare because the law is so vague and contradictory they don't even know what to do.

The way the ACA was written was ASKING for fraud and abuse! You don't establish income levels by what you made last year with a W-2 as proof...you "estimate" what you think you will make this coming year and claim that as your ACA income! Who could possibly be stupid enough to think THAT wouldn't be a problem?