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And wala, crispy critters.Back to the topic, the Japanese never offered to surrender and never offered after either bomb, what they offered was a cease fire with a return to prewar lines everywhere except China.After the 2nd bomb the Emperor intervened and ordered the surrender and the Japanese Army which ran the Government attempted a coup to stop that.
Would it have made you feel any better if we had firebombed them instead?That changes nothing of the fact that it was an unnecessary use of weapons of terror.They were planning to do so, we just couldn't wait for them if we wanted to show off to the Russians.The Japanese were never going to willingly unconditionally surrender.
Besides the cost in lives of an invasion, we wanted a fast surrender to stop the Russians from occupying more land. Letting them know we were not afraid to use our new toys could also have been a factor in Truman's thinking.
Don't get me wrong I feel for the all the innocent civilians who died in that war. But that really was a different time.
They were going to surrender even before we dropped the bombs, we were just showing off for the Russians. But these two acts of terrorism sealed the deal.Not really....they didn't quit until we nuked Nagasaki and probably still wouldn't have quit if they'd known we only had two A-bombs.
Ridiculous.
Actually no, dropping those bombs was about the pecking order of world power post the end of the war. For all the blathering on about nuclear war, weaponry, who should be allowed to have and who should not; the US is the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons of this magnatude - and on civilian populations.
And we got the desired effects!!
Ha ha, yeah, the Soviets just laid down after that.
They were going to surrender even before we dropped the bombs, we were just showing off for the Russians. But these two acts of terrorism sealed the deal.
Ridiculous.
Actually no, dropping those bombs was about the pecking order of world power post the end of the war. For all the blathering on about nuclear war, weaponry, who should be allowed to have and who should not; the US is the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons of this magnatude - and on civilian populations.
And we got the desired effects!!
Ha ha, yeah, the Soviets just laid down after that.
The Japanese laid down within the week, as for the Soviets, had traitors not sold us out we would have had the big hammer alone for much longer.
Yes, LBJ murdered a lot of people for nothing. We'd have had it won sooner if he'd ever been committed to winning it
Win what?
Completely eradicate the Viet Cong? Impossible.
Destroy the Democratic Republic of Vietnam? The US was never at war with them.
Build a new sandbox to keep Americans on government payroll and satiate the military-industrial complex? In that case the US military was victorious
You're still arguing the point not in contention. I already agreed we should have stayed out of it rather than do what we did. I was referring to something which completely didn't happen. If our objective had been to help the Vietnamese government defeat the communist insurgency. I'm referring to an entirely different scenario than what happened
We shouldn't have been there period, wrap ya head around that.
Okay I'm done here....the Hiroshima pic is a reminder war isn't a theory or a game...it's the sky over a Hiroshima getting it's just rewards for starting a war with the USA.
Yes, LBJ murdered a lot of people for nothing. We'd have had it won sooner if he'd ever been committed to winning it
Win what?
Completely eradicate the Viet Cong? Impossible.
Destroy the Democratic Republic of Vietnam? The US was never at war with them.
Build a new sandbox to keep Americans on government payroll and satiate the military-industrial complex? In that case the US military was victorious
You're still arguing the point not in contention. I already agreed we should have stayed out of it rather than do what we did. I was referring to something which completely didn't happen. If our objective had been to help the Vietnamese government defeat the communist insurgency. I'm referring to an entirely different scenario than what happened
We shouldn't have been there period, wrap ya head around that.
They should have been given their freedom after they helped kick out the Japanese in 1945.
But that didn't matter to the boys who were drafted or volunteered. They just wanted to get back home alive I bet.
Okay I'm done here....the Hiroshima pic is a reminder war isn't a theory or a game...it's the sky over a Hiroshima getting it's just rewards for starting a war with the USA.
It looks ominous.
It's 5 minutes to midnight.......
And now Barry has given Iran the bomb while the Israelis have over two hundred nuclear missiles aimed at them...It's not 5 minutes to midnight but it's probably not 15 minutes anymore either.
The power structure did however
Okay I'm done here....the Hiroshima pic is a reminder war isn't a theory or a game...it's the sky over a Hiroshima getting it's just rewards for starting a war with the USA.
It looks ominous.
Like a cat-5 tornado.
It's 5 minutes to midnight.......
And now Barry has given Iran the bomb while the Israelis have over two hundred nuclear missiles aimed at them...It's not 5 minutes to midnight but it's probably not 15 minutes anymore either.
Meh, it's just a saying. They have been pushed back by at least a decade or more.
The power structure did however
War equals profits and deficits don't matter.
It's 5 minutes to midnight.......
And now Barry has given Iran the bomb while the Israelis have over two hundred nuclear missiles aimed at them...It's not 5 minutes to midnight but it's probably not 15 minutes anymore either.
Meh, it's just a saying. They have been pushed back by at least a decade or more.
They can make up for what they've lost enriching their own uranium by buying it from the N. Koreans. We haven't stopped anything....just a publicity stunt by our muslim dickhead president.
Okay I'm done here....the Hiroshima pic is a reminder war isn't a theory or a game...it's the sky over a Hiroshima getting it's just rewards for starting a war with the USA.
It looks ominous.
Like a cat-5 tornado.
Guess you've been in one of those too huh.
It's 5 minutes to midnight.......
And now Barry has given Iran the bomb while the Israelis have over two hundred nuclear missiles aimed at them...It's not 5 minutes to midnight but it's probably not 15 minutes anymore either.
Meh, it's just a saying. They have been pushed back by at least a decade or more.
They can make up for what they've lost enriching their own uranium by buying it from the N. Koreans. We haven't stopped anything....just a publicity stunt by our muslim dickhead president.
No. Also designed as a weapon of terror.Would it have made you feel any better if we had firebombed them instead?That changes nothing of the fact that it was an unnecessary use of weapons of terror.They were planning to do so, we just couldn't wait for them if we wanted to show off to the Russians.The Japanese were never going to willingly unconditionally surrender.
Besides the cost in lives of an invasion, we wanted a fast surrender to stop the Russians from occupying more land. Letting them know we were not afraid to use our new toys could also have been a factor in Truman's thinking.
Don't get me wrong I feel for the all the innocent civilians who died in that war. But that really was a different time.
It has nothing to do with partisan, it's an irrefutable historic fact. We'd killed all the Viet Cong at that point. We had to stop and wait for them to build a new army to kill Americans
"Another democRAT blah blah blah ...."
Yes hon, it does.
Your desire to rewrite history is dull
Bitching about a political party in america isn't history son.
I was talking about the Vietnam war, you keep bringing up party. I said both LBJ and Nixon fucked up. You're so obsessed with party you hear nothing else
" Another democRAT who should have been hanged on the South Lawn of the WH."
All you pard, all you.
If our objective had been to help the Vietnamese government defeat the communist insurgency. I'm referring to an entirely different scenario than what happened
Like I said, defeating the Viet Cong would of been impossible.
The movement would of lived on as long as the Democratic Republic of Vietnam was stationed in the north. Most south Vietnamese did not want their puppet government. The US military presence did not temper defiance among civilians either.
Hilarious! We had considerably more friendly hamlets than Charles had....you're so wrong you're like a comedian soaked in flop-sweat.
