Holy crap - this has to stop!

[BlueGin]

So when the next instance comes out where there is someone killed by a Trump supporter, which will happen shortly, are the Trump supporters going to make threads praising him as a soldier for their cause? I'd bet on it.

One name: Sarah Palin.

That's just how divided Trump has made this country. I have never, in my entire life seen a country so politically divided as it is right now.

I guess you must have been hibernating the eight years before this year started.

No, even with Obama in office it was nothing like this. Obama was not going out and instigating hatred.

Well, I agree with you but I'll never forgive him for the Blacklivesmatters violence. He wasn't perfect but he was a hell of a lot better then Trump.

BLM was a creation caused by the new social networking system. If not for Twitter, which Trump now uses as his own weapon, BLM would have never spread and become what it is today.

...except they were invited to Obama's White House many times.

And Obama backed up their anti cop bullshit.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm just plain angry. And DISGUSTED. Have we devolved to our lowest common denominators? Empowered the most hateful amongst us? Sanctified mob mentalities?

The design of having the same 2 parties lock up total political control for so long GUARANTEES we are headed for the "lowest common denominator". It's that discussion you and I have had before about NOTHING being unethical, wrong or evil anymore --- Because "THEY" did it first. You see it in every USMB "news" thread. Can't bash a Dem without the first opposing post pulling up the fact that Repub did it first -- or worse. And once that equivalency is established --- there's NO CRIME. No sin, no guilt, no consequences.

Well 100 or so years later --- apparently you can shoot CongressCritters on a baseball field and have 15 activists pretending to be journalists saying it was justified or Karma or whatever. I'm watching this 2 way finger-pointing destroy my country because the 2 dynasties are in a death match and APPARENTLY are willing to pump up the rate that we're "circling the drain"..

Country NEEDED a fucking "intervention" -- NOT a choice between 2 dynasty parties offering polarizing candidates. But America wants WINNERS.... NOW --- we're ALL losers.....

Yes, we are. It is scary. If we don't turn things around, it is going to get worse and worse until we have no country.

Things aren't going to get better.

It is time to prepare for the end of this country.


It is time to teach your kids that this country won't exist as it does today when they are grown up.

30 years is all we have before total catastrophe.

Personally, I ain't diving for no foxholes in the Dem/Rep camp.. TODAY -- the winner was Bernie Sanders. A guy with leadership qualities and humility. He lacks a lot in the "how things work" dept -- but I can depend on him to stand in the Big Middle and fight for REAL dialogue and REAL change.

So -- increasingly, all MY time is in clawing back ballot access from the 2 dynasty parties and ENCOURAGING as many voices and choices as can be heard above the noise. Because the general finger pointing in the nation and this thread has to be SILENCED. Day after day from where I sit -- it's looking like a tribal confrontation between 2 primitive spear shaking tribes of New Guinea cannibals.. And the way you stop that -- is to have a 3rd and 4th tribe show up and RECLAIM the leadership... Or some alien culture drop out of the sky to REMIND them all, that have to WORK, live their LIVES, and count LESS on their tribal Chieftains.

Thousands will die Bernie said.......guy is a joke

You don't have to FOLLOW his lead. You should ADMIRE his independence and his ability to actually speak his mind. 531 of 535 members of Congress can NOT DO THAT today. Without working out of a broom closet and being "primaried out" by the Party at his/her next election..

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Seriously. This toxic partisan political culture is poisoning civil society.

What the hell is wrong with us?

The left and the right pulling hair and screeching their bumpersticker slogans and broad brush pig ignorant partisan blamegaming? What's wrong with us?

I'm no youngster. I've never seen such a dangerous ambient.

We have someone shooting at one of our few remaining bipartisan non political fun charitable events because he wants to kill a bunch of (insert political party).

The rhetoric flooding the country is poisoning us. And no one wants to take responsibility for stepping up and saying "enough already". For changing it.

Our representatives are colleagues first and foremost. Political opponents second. They recognize it. That violence against one is violence against the others and against our very institutions. Why are we unable to recognize that?

Talk to your side, there have been ZERO attacks on politicians in this country by a right winger.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The right has it better, they can get presidents without a majority, they're never going to give that up, even if it means the country declines

Why would we give that up? It's been that way since the founding of this country. Or are you suggesting that we should give that up because Democrats are losing that way?

Yes, why would you give up having an advantage? Clearly it's not about fairness, clearly it's not about getting rid of something that is so toxic that it's destroying the country bit by bit every day.

You'd rather cling to power and see the country in decline, than fix the problems.

Yes, history repeats itself over and over and over and people continue to make the same mistakes.

If we went to popular vote instead of the colleges, that would mean major Democrat cities and states would overrule the vote of the rest of the country.

Our founders never wanted that. They wanted equality across the land. So much like having a governmental system of 2 Senators per state regardless of population, colleges serve as an equity to states that are less populated.

New York city has 7 million people. The entire state of Idaho has 1.5 million people. Popular vote would mean that one city in the US has more power than four entire states like Idaho in the union. Is that what you are suggesting?

Do you remember talking to me about school vouchers? Your response was that school vouchers are good because of CHOICE. You made this whole thing about how it's the right who love choice and not the left, blah blah.

Now, you're not talking about choice. In fact you're against choice. Go figure Ray.

You want equality? So, the Republicans having an unfair advantage is equal? What the fuck?

Actually what would happen with PR is that the two party monopoly on power would be destroyed. The Founding Fathers didn't want a monopoly on power, if we're going to talk about what the Founding Fathers did or did not want. They did not want the President being elected by popular politics, but then Obama, Trump, Bush W. and Clinton were all elected more on personality than on substance.

Again, Idaho has a population of 1.5 million and New York has a population of 7-8 million. So, you'd give the people of Idaho more power just because of that? Not only that you'd keep toxic partisan politics in place (I'm certain the Founding Fathers would not want that) just to give the people of Idaho more power for their vote?

The reality is Idaho got ignored at the last Presidential election just like they've been ignored for decades. You're using an argument to say that Idaho need to be listened to, by supporting a system which IGNORES Idaho. Way'da go there Ray.

 

[Manonthestreet]

The design of having the same 2 parties lock up total political control for so long GUARANTEES we are headed for the "lowest common denominator". It's that discussion you and I have had before about NOTHING being unethical, wrong or evil anymore --- Because "THEY" did it first. You see it in every USMB "news" thread. Can't bash a Dem without the first opposing post pulling up the fact that Repub did it first -- or worse. And once that equivalency is established --- there's NO CRIME. No sin, no guilt, no consequences.

Well 100 or so years later --- apparently you can shoot CongressCritters on a baseball field and have 15 activists pretending to be journalists saying it was justified or Karma or whatever. I'm watching this 2 way finger-pointing destroy my country because the 2 dynasties are in a death match and APPARENTLY are willing to pump up the rate that we're "circling the drain"..

Country NEEDED a fucking "intervention" -- NOT a choice between 2 dynasty parties offering polarizing candidates. But America wants WINNERS.... NOW --- we're ALL losers.....

Yes, we are. It is scary. If we don't turn things around, it is going to get worse and worse until we have no country.

Things aren't going to get better.

It is time to prepare for the end of this country.


It is time to teach your kids that this country won't exist as it does today when they are grown up.

30 years is all we have before total catastrophe.

Personally, I ain't diving for no foxholes in the Dem/Rep camp.. TODAY -- the winner was Bernie Sanders. A guy with leadership qualities and humility. He lacks a lot in the "how things work" dept -- but I can depend on him to stand in the Big Middle and fight for REAL dialogue and REAL change.

So -- increasingly, all MY time is in clawing back ballot access from the 2 dynasty parties and ENCOURAGING as many voices and choices as can be heard above the noise. Because the general finger pointing in the nation and this thread has to be SILENCED. Day after day from where I sit -- it's looking like a tribal confrontation between 2 primitive spear shaking tribes of New Guinea cannibals.. And the way you stop that -- is to have a 3rd and 4th tribe show up and RECLAIM the leadership... Or some alien culture drop out of the sky to REMIND them all, that have to WORK, live their LIVES, and count LESS on their tribal Chieftains.

Thousands will die Bernie said.......guy is a joke

You don't have to FOLLOW his lead. You should ADMIRE his independence and his ability to actually speak his mind. 531 or 535 members of Congress can NOT DO THAT today. Without working out of a broom closet and being "primaried out" by the Party at his/her next election..

I should admire an idiot???? Dont think so

 

[Coyote]

Deporting illegals who commit violent crimes shouldn't be held up forever and they certainly should not be released - deportation should be decided within no more than a month. So right there - Democrats could work with the Republicans.

They "could" is the word at hand.

Democrats are on a campaign to make whites a minority in this country as soon as possible. Given the fact that all minority groups today vote a majority Democrat, the plan is to turn our nation into a single-party government, so don't look for Democrats to side with Republicans on the immigration issue. Just look at the Democrat cities and states opposing sanctuary city defunding. Look at the Democrat courts that ruled it unconstitutional even though the constitution doesn't have any references to immigration.

I don't think so. And a big reason is - many hispanics are culturally very conservative and religious. They could as easily vote Republican.

Also, many of those in the forefront of the sanctuary city movement, and opposing deportations are people typically associated with the right - people of faith. I think the issue is about more than "bring in the voters" and reducing it to that ignores the ethical and moral issues.

No way. People on the right are for deporting people that will weaken our electoral system. It's Democrats that are all for it because they would be the ones getting the advantage.

So can you tell me what the Hispanic vote was per party the last election? The election before that? The election before that?

Look at the man behind the curtain. He tells you that his motives are for compassion, when they are really for ultimate power.

I think you ought to look at the people actually involved with helping immigrants and immigration reform and use that to determine motivation rather than political talking points.

What I meant about the Hispanic vote is that it would take very little to make them vote Republican.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sanctuary cities are a clear violation of our republic.

And remember who stopped Katie's law. The law that would imprison immigrants who were felons but returned to the states anyway.

The Democrats can fool their own, but they can't fool us.

Makes sense to send away the

The right has it better, they can get presidents without a majority, they're never going to give that up, even if it means the country declines

Why would we give that up? It's been that way since the founding of this country. Or are you suggesting that we should give that up because Democrats are losing that way?

Yes, why would you give up having an advantage? Clearly it's not about fairness, clearly it's not about getting rid of something that is so toxic that it's destroying the country bit by bit every day.

You'd rather cling to power and see the country in decline, than fix the problems.

Yes, history repeats itself over and over and over and people continue to make the same mistakes.

Do you know me?

Yup............see your leftist skirt all the time.......................

You clearly don't. But then seeing someone pretend they do isn't something new or shocking for me.

 

[Manonthestreet]

The Left’s National Pastime
So when the right says “how about you let me speak?” and the left screams “Satan!” you shouldn’t be entirely surprised to find yourself alone and surrounded in an Evergreen College writ very large. And if republicans are evil personified, what might a righteous liberal crackpot become inclined to do? Attend early morning softball practices is one answer.

 

[eagle1462010]

Obama was so ready to compromise with opposing view.......now get your asses on the back of the bus.



He was part of the problem and not the solution................

And now the left wants us to do this...........



When you spit in our faces for our views in the past. pound sand.

 

[eagle1462010]

Sanctuary cities are a clear violation of our republic.

And remember who stopped Katie's law. The law that would imprison immigrants who were felons but returned to the states anyway.

The Democrats can fool their own, but they can't fool us.

Makes sense to send away the

Why would we give that up? It's been that way since the founding of this country. Or are you suggesting that we should give that up because Democrats are losing that way?

Yes, why would you give up having an advantage? Clearly it's not about fairness, clearly it's not about getting rid of something that is so toxic that it's destroying the country bit by bit every day.

You'd rather cling to power and see the country in decline, than fix the problems.

Yes, history repeats itself over and over and over and people continue to make the same mistakes.

Do you know me?

Yup............see your leftist skirt all the time.......................

You clearly don't. But then seeing someone pretend they do isn't something new or shocking for me.

I've seen your posts...............that's enough for me..........whatever floats your boat.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The right has it better, they can get presidents without a majority, they're never going to give that up, even if it means the country declines

Why would we give that up? It's been that way since the founding of this country. Or are you suggesting that we should give that up because Democrats are losing that way?

Yes, why would you give up having an advantage? Clearly it's not about fairness, clearly it's not about getting rid of something that is so toxic that it's destroying the country bit by bit every day.

You'd rather cling to power and see the country in decline, than fix the problems.

Yes, history repeats itself over and over and over and people continue to make the same mistakes.

If we went to popular vote instead of the colleges, that would mean major Democrat cities and states would overrule the vote of the rest of the country.

Our founders never wanted that. They wanted equality across the land. So much like having a governmental system of 2 Senators per state regardless of population, colleges serve as an equity to states that are less populated.

New York city has 7 million people. The entire state of Idaho has 1.5 million people. Popular vote would mean that one city in the US has more power than four entire states like Idaho in the union. Is that what you are suggesting?

Do you remember talking to me about school vouchers? Your response was that school vouchers are good because of CHOICE. You made this whole thing about how it's the right who love choice and not the left, blah blah.

Now, you're not talking about choice. In fact you're against choice. Go figure Ray.

You want equality? So, the Republicans having an unfair advantage is equal? What the fuck?

Actually what would happen with PR is that the two party monopoly on power would be destroyed. The Founding Fathers didn't want a monopoly on power, if we're going to talk about what the Founding Fathers did or did not want. They did not want the President being elected by popular politics, but then Obama, Trump, Bush W. and Clinton were all elected more on personality than on substance.

Again, Idaho has a population of 1.5 million and New York has a population of 7-8 million. So, you'd give the people of Idaho more power just because of that? Not only that you'd keep toxic partisan politics in place (I'm certain the Founding Fathers would not want that) just to give the people of Idaho more power for their vote?

The reality is Idaho got ignored at the last Presidential election just like they've been ignored for decades. You're using an argument to say that Idaho need to be listened to, by supporting a system which IGNORES Idaho. Way'da go there Ray.

I didn't say it gave equity to Idaho compared to NYC, what I said is that it at least keeps them in the race. Without the college, those states would be ignored like Hillary ignored them. But because they have some equity through the college system, politicians have to campaign for their votes too.

In other words, without the college, the country would be controlled by NYC, Chicago and California. That's it. If you don't belong to those three cities and states, it's not worth your time to vote. We would be a one-party government forever (which is what the Democrats are trying to do anyway with immigration).

 

[RightyTighty]

Seriously. This toxic partisan political culture is poisoning civil society.

What the hell is wrong with us?

The left and the right pulling hair and screeching their bumpersticker slogans and broad brush pig ignorant partisan blamegaming? What's wrong with us?

I'm no youngster. I've never seen such a dangerous ambient.

We have someone shooting at one of our few remaining bipartisan non political fun charitable events because he wants to kill a bunch of (insert political party).

The rhetoric flooding the country is poisoning us. And no one wants to take responsibility for stepping up and saying "enough already". For changing it.

Our representatives are colleagues first and foremost. Political opponents second. They recognize it. That violence against one is violence against the others and against our very institutions. Why are we unable to recognize that?

In sum - he who lives by the sword...

 

[g5000]

Seriously. This toxic partisan political culture is poisoning civil society.

I blame Lyin Ted, Crooked Hillary, Crazy Bernie, Little Marco, Low Energy Jeb, Fauxchahontas, and Barry Soetero for all the ugly name calling going on.

 

[candycorn]

It is people...not parties. People have gone nuts. I am so tired and weary from it all.

I'm just plain angry. And DISGUSTED. Have we devolved to our lowest common denominators? Empowered the most hateful amongst us? Sanctified mob mentalities?

...except the right didn't take to the streets over Obama. We bitched about him but the left is very active in doing something about it so how are those equitable?

 

[koshergrl]

Seriously. This toxic partisan political culture is poisoning civil society.

What the hell is wrong with us?

The left and the right pulling hair and screeching their bumpersticker slogans and broad brush pig ignorant partisan blamegaming? What's wrong with us?

I'm no youngster. I've never seen such a dangerous ambient.

We have someone shooting at one of our few remaining bipartisan non political fun charitable events because he wants to kill a bunch of (insert political party).

The rhetoric flooding the country is poisoning us. And no one wants to take responsibility for stepping up and saying "enough already". For changing it.

Our representatives are colleagues first and foremost. Political opponents second. They recognize it. That violence against one is violence against the others and against our very institutions. Why are we unable to recognize that?

What can you expect when leftist claim republican policies are going to kill people and that narrative is pushed by a complicit media? People that disagree with the left are portrayed as evil and a personal danger, not just wrong. It all goes back the the leftist policies adopted from the Rules For Radicals, that instructs people to isolate and destroy the opposition by any means necessary. Your dear leader taught and I'm very sure is still teaching that ideology.


.

Does the term "Death Panels" ring a bell?

dems equate accurate descriptions with slander.

 

[g5000]

On NPR this evening, driving home, I listended to two great interviews - one with two freshmen congress critters - one Dem and one Repub...the other with someone who had previously worked with Gabby Giffords, then later won her seat when she stepped down. The gist was - we are all colleagues here, and that what is happening now has got to stop, it's absolutely toxic to civil society and I agree.

They said the same thing after Giffords was shot. It only got worse.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sanctuary cities are a clear violation of our republic.

And remember who stopped Katie's law. The law that would imprison immigrants who were felons but returned to the states anyway.

The Democrats can fool their own, but they can't fool us.

Makes sense to send away the

Yes, why would you give up having an advantage? Clearly it's not about fairness, clearly it's not about getting rid of something that is so toxic that it's destroying the country bit by bit every day.

You'd rather cling to power and see the country in decline, than fix the problems.

Yes, history repeats itself over and over and over and people continue to make the same mistakes.

Do you know me?

Yup............see your leftist skirt all the time.......................

You clearly don't. But then seeing someone pretend they do isn't something new or shocking for me.

I've seen your posts...............that's enough for me..........whatever floats your boat.

Oh, wow, you've seen my posts..... you must be an expert on me then.

 

[Tilly]

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.
JOHN ADAMS, letter to Jonathan Jackson, October 2, 1789

It IS the inherent instability and duopoly collusion of just TWO parties that is the problem. It's NOT the people. More voices are required to DISENGAGE the 2 warring sides and REMIND folks of what's right --- and what is wrong. And that WINNING and obtaining power is NOT the primary job of governance..

Agreed. But it seems to me that most 'democracies' end up with more or less a two party system, usually with fringe parties operating on the margins and never gaining enough support to grow. This is what we seem to vote for - often because of a certain amount of protest voting - but we get what we vote for, don't we?

You don't NEED submission and dominance. You only need a few key voices to upset the monolithic walls of protection that the 2 parties have built. Just FIVE INDEPENDENT folks in Congress can make the difference in every key vote... Look at Sanders. Not EVEN a loyal Dem. He can SPEAK FREELY without fear of retribution from his 4 party masters in Congress that make EVERY decision on the Hill. You've got over 500 representatives that CANNOT speak their minds without retribution from party power.

What do you THINK happens to any Congress Critterr that actually thinks and expresses themselves independently NOW??? THAT's the fucking problem you solve by not running to DOMINATE and consolidate ALL of the power in one place at a time....

Oh OK. Keep your hair on

 

[eagle1462010]

Sanctuary cities are a clear violation of our republic.

And remember who stopped Katie's law. The law that would imprison immigrants who were felons but returned to the states anyway.

The Democrats can fool their own, but they can't fool us.

Makes sense to send away the

Do you know me?

Yup............see your leftist skirt all the time.......................

You clearly don't. But then seeing someone pretend they do isn't something new or shocking for me.

I've seen your posts...............that's enough for me..........whatever floats your boat.

Oh, wow, you've seen my posts..... you must be an expert on me then.

Jesus...................I have an opinion based on what I've seen you post in the past................and guess what............I DISAGREE WITH YOU most of the time..........

Get over it.......

 

[williepete]

Seriously. This toxic partisan political culture is poisoning civil society.

What the hell is wrong with us?

The left and the right pulling hair and screeching their bumpersticker slogans and broad brush pig ignorant partisan blamegaming? What's wrong with us?

I'm no youngster. I've never seen such a dangerous ambient.

We have someone shooting at one of our few remaining bipartisan non political fun charitable events because he wants to kill a bunch of (insert political party).

The rhetoric flooding the country is poisoning us. And no one wants to take responsibility for stepping up and saying "enough already". For changing it.

Our representatives are colleagues first and foremost. Political opponents second. They recognize it. That violence against one is violence against the others and against our very institutions. Why are we unable to recognize that?

Oh Bullshit. You don't believe a bit of this bullshit post. You're the prime example of why this is happening. Hypocrite. I'd have your left wing hateful crap on ignore if you weren't a mod. GFY.

Your side is out in the open now. Own it.