Homosexuality is in the bible.

Homosexuality is abnormal behaviour and not always but often homosexuals exaggerate their preferences into perversions. I dont need the Bible to see that, but the one who wrote the Bible was a wise man 5000 years ago.

Im also afraid we might head towards a society where homosexuality is not viewn as abnormal sexual behaviour anymore and doable on occassion also for heterosexuals like in ancient greece.

Homophobic Attitude is also wrong, we need to see it with sober-mind

Christianity is abnormal. Most people in the world are non-Christian.

Im a Christian like most of us. Maybe a bit more, because I do believe in God/Jesus but im far from being Fundamentalist. I said I dont need the Bible to see the abnormality of Homosexuality. And Christians are not minority in the World they are the most numeruous Religion in the World
 
You believe Jesus treats women as second class citizens? How ignorant. Show me in the Bible where Jesus treats women as second class citizens.

GENESIS
2:22 Eve created from Adam’s rib.
3:16 Eve cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
4:19 Man marries two wives.
12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk.
20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again.
25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.

EXODUS
20:17 Wife as property.
21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without payment of money.
22:18 Kill witches.

LEVITICUS
12:1-8 Childbirth unclean, Women need to make atonement after childbirth.
15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions.
21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
21:9 Burn daughters.
21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman.

NUMBERS
1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count.
5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband.
31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.

DEUTERONOMY
20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated for depreciation of his property.
25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis.
24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry “used” woman.
28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed – eclectic “pro-life” verse!

JUDGES
5:30 Women are spoils of war.
14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives.
21:21 Abducted girls for wives.

1 SAMUEL
15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.

2 SAMUEL
5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father’s concubines.
6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.

1 KINGS
11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

2 KINGS
9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.

2 CHRONICLES
15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.

ESTHER
CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting “bad” example to all other women.

PSALMS
51:5 Sinful since conception.
127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.

PROVERBS
CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
CH 7 More of the above.
6:24 As above.
31:3 Do not waste strength on women.

ISAIAH
3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
4:4 Filthy women.
13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)

EZEKIEL
9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity…
CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters – reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren’t told this story at Sunday school!

HOSEA
13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another “pro-life” verse!)

NAHUM
3:4… wanton lust of a harlot… prostitution… witchcraft.
3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
3:13… Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)

MATTHEW
5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same?
CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.

LUKE
2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.

I CORINTHIANS
11:2-10… Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

EPHESIANS
5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

COLOSSIANS
3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.

I TIMOTHY
2:11-15 Woman must not have authority – she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.
5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’ feet.

1 PETER
2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
3:1 Wives submit.
3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

REVELATION
CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
14:4…they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure.

That's a big list. Tell me which one you want to discuss first.

Why not pick one yourself? It's like dodging the whole fucking thing, except for one item.

Hell; even you oughta be able to cherry-pick an easy one. Don't sell yourself so short.
 
Homosexuality is abnormal behaviour and not always but often homosexuals exaggerate their preferences into perversions. I dont need the Bible to see that, but the one who wrote the Bible was a wise man 5000 years ago.

Im also afraid we might head towards a society where homosexuality is not viewn as abnormal sexual behaviour anymore and doable on occassion also for heterosexuals like in ancient greece.

Homophobic Attitude is also wrong, we need to see it with sober-mind

Could anyone force you into homosexual behavior?
Same with gays as they do not choose who to be attracted to.
No one could make me gay, or you and that is the same with no one can make gays be straight.
Homosexuals fall in love with other homosexuals. Abnormal to me and you but love is love.


To force me to sexual behaviour would be rape or sexual abuse. But it could trick me into homosexual behaviour if no one told me it is abnormal and despisable and i grew up in a society where it is completely normal to occassionally do it with guys like in ancient greece
 
Homosexuality is abnormal behaviour and not always but often homosexuals exaggerate their preferences into perversions. I dont need the Bible to see that, but the one who wrote the Bible was a wise man 5000 years ago.

Im also afraid we might head towards a society where homosexuality is not viewn as abnormal sexual behaviour anymore and doable on occassion also for heterosexuals like in ancient greece.

Homophobic Attitude is also wrong, we need to see it with sober-mind

Could anyone force you into homosexual behavior?
Same with gays as they do not choose who to be attracted to.
No one could make me gay, or you and that is the same with no one can make gays be straight.
Homosexuals fall in love with other homosexuals. Abnormal to me and you but love is love.


To force me to sexual behaviour would be rape or sexual abuse. But it could trick me into homosexual behaviour if no one told me it is abnormal and despisable and i grew up in a society where it is completely normal to occassionally do it with guys like in ancient greece

Your dick might accidentally wind up in some guy's ass? Really?
 
Could anyone force you into homosexual behavior?
Same with gays as they do not choose who to be attracted to.
No one could make me gay, or you and that is the same with no one can make gays be straight.
Homosexuals fall in love with other homosexuals. Abnormal to me and you but love is love.


To force me to sexual behaviour would be rape or sexual abuse. But it could trick me into homosexual behaviour if no one told me it is abnormal and despisable and i grew up in a society where it is completely normal to occassionally do it with guys like in ancient greece

Your dick might accidentally wind up in some guy's ass? Really?

You think just because now we live in a society where it is abnormal for heterosexuals to have homosexual acts you think in every society it is like that.
 
To force me to sexual behaviour would be rape or sexual abuse. But it could trick me into homosexual behaviour if no one told me it is abnormal and despisable and i grew up in a society where it is completely normal to occassionally do it with guys like in ancient greece

Your dick might accidentally wind up in some guy's ass? Really?

You think just because now we live in a society where it is abnormal for heterosexuals to have homosexual acts you think in every society it is like that.

No. I was asking if your dick has a mind of its own.

Does it?
 
You believe Jesus treats women as second class citizens? How ignorant. Show me in the Bible where Jesus treats women as second class citizens.

GENESIS
2:22 Eve created from Adam’s rib.
3:16 Eve cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
4:19 Man marries two wives.
12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk.
20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again.
25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.

EXODUS
20:17 Wife as property.
21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without payment of money.
22:18 Kill witches.

LEVITICUS
12:1-8 Childbirth unclean, Women need to make atonement after childbirth.
15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions.
21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
21:9 Burn daughters.
21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman.

NUMBERS
1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count.
5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband.
31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.

DEUTERONOMY
20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated for depreciation of his property.
25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis.
24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry “used” woman.
28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed – eclectic “pro-life” verse!

JUDGES
5:30 Women are spoils of war.
14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives.
21:21 Abducted girls for wives.

1 SAMUEL
15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.

2 SAMUEL
5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father’s concubines.
6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.

1 KINGS
11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

2 KINGS
9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.

2 CHRONICLES
15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.

ESTHER
CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting “bad” example to all other women.

PSALMS
51:5 Sinful since conception.
127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.

PROVERBS
CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
CH 7 More of the above.
6:24 As above.
31:3 Do not waste strength on women.

ISAIAH
3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
4:4 Filthy women.
13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)

EZEKIEL
9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity…
CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters – reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren’t told this story at Sunday school!

HOSEA
13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another “pro-life” verse!)

NAHUM
3:4… wanton lust of a harlot… prostitution… witchcraft.
3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
3:13… Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)

MATTHEW
5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same?
CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.

LUKE
2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.

I CORINTHIANS
11:2-10… Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

EPHESIANS
5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

COLOSSIANS
3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.

I TIMOTHY
2:11-15 Woman must not have authority – she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.
5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’ feet.

1 PETER
2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
3:1 Wives submit.
3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

REVELATION
CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
14:4…they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure.

That's a big list. Tell me which one you want to discuss first.

It's not any one thing, it's a systemic subjugation of women to men's desires. Most religions are like this.
 
your basically trying to discredit my valid Points by ridicoling me.

Nope. Merely asking you a question in direct response to your assertion.

your question is aimed at ridicoling me or you are too dumb to understand my Point (sorry)

I get that when stigma is non existing toward bisexuality that it flourishes. But that merely serves rather than suppresses desires within individuals.

But the suggestion by you that you might be tricked into homosexual acts is patently absurd, unless your dick indeed has a mind of its own.
 
Nope. Merely asking you a question in direct response to your assertion.

your question is aimed at ridicoling me or you are too dumb to understand my Point (sorry)

I get that when stigma is non existing toward bisexuality that it flourishes. But that merely serves rather than suppresses desires within individuals.

But the suggestion by you that you might be tricked into homosexual acts is patently absurd, unless your dick indeed has a mind of its own.

not every desire is worth being served but should be surpressed.
depends on what you perceive as being tricked. i can get tricked into drinking alcohol or starting Smoking cigarettes. just like in engaging in homosexual acts. at least i would view it as having been tricked. you might perceive it differently.
 
your question is aimed at ridicoling me or you are too dumb to understand my Point (sorry)

I get that when stigma is non existing toward bisexuality that it flourishes. But that merely serves rather than suppresses desires within individuals.

But the suggestion by you that you might be tricked into homosexual acts is patently absurd, unless your dick indeed has a mind of its own.

not every desire is worth being served but should be surpressed.
depends on what you perceive as being tricked. i can get tricked into drinking alcohol or starting Smoking cigarettes. just like in engaging in homosexual acts. at least i would view it as having been tricked. you might perceive it differently.

Sure. We agree on all desires that exploit or hurt other human beings.
But no sexual act between consenting adults is thus, if it's what both want.

And that's a fact in our country and has been for many decades.
 
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I get that when stigma is non existing toward bisexuality that it flourishes. But that merely serves rather than suppresses desires within individuals.

But the suggestion by you that you might be tricked into homosexual acts is patently absurd, unless your dick indeed has a mind of its own.

not every desire is worth being served but should be surpressed.
depends on what you perceive as being tricked. i can get tricked into drinking alcohol or starting Smoking cigarettes. just like in engaging in homosexual acts. at least i would view it as having been tricked. you might perceive it differently.

Sure. We agree on all desires that exploit or hurt other human beings.
But no sexual act between consenting adults is thus, if it's what both want.

And that's a fact in our country and gas been for many decades.

i dont want a society where homosexuality is seen as normal act between two adults. i doubt anyone wants. we just tolerate a few gays, but we dont want a gay society.
 
your question is aimed at ridicoling me or you are too dumb to understand my Point (sorry)

I get that when stigma is non existing toward bisexuality that it flourishes. But that merely serves rather than suppresses desires within individuals.

But the suggestion by you that you might be tricked into homosexual acts is patently absurd, unless your dick indeed has a mind of its own.

not every desire is worth being served but should be surpressed.
depends on what you perceive as being tricked. i can get tricked into drinking alcohol or starting Smoking cigarettes. just like in engaging in homosexual acts. at least i would view it as having been tricked. you might perceive it differently.

And no, unless alcohol is given to you unknowingly you cannot be tricked into using it. And cigarettes are not something you could use unknowingly. But if you choose to use them, you could become addicted, as many have been.
 
not every desire is worth being served but should be surpressed.
depends on what you perceive as being tricked. i can get tricked into drinking alcohol or starting Smoking cigarettes. just like in engaging in homosexual acts. at least i would view it as having been tricked. you might perceive it differently.

Sure. We agree on all desires that exploit or hurt other human beings.
But no sexual act between consenting adults is thus, if it's what both want.

And that's a fact in our country and gas been for many decades.

i dont want a society where homosexuality is seen as normal act between two adults. i doubt anyone wants. we just tolerate a few gays, but we dont want a gay society.

Then you are a homophobe, which is a form of bigotry.

Thus I have no desire to chat with you further.
 
I get that when stigma is non existing toward bisexuality that it flourishes. But that merely serves rather than suppresses desires within individuals.

But the suggestion by you that you might be tricked into homosexual acts is patently absurd, unless your dick indeed has a mind of its own.

not every desire is worth being served but should be surpressed.
depends on what you perceive as being tricked. i can get tricked into drinking alcohol or starting Smoking cigarettes. just like in engaging in homosexual acts. at least i would view it as having been tricked. you might perceive it differently.

And no, unless alcohol is given to you unknowingly you cannot be tricked into using it. And cigarettes are not something you could use unknowingly. But if you choose to use them, you could become addicted, as many have been.

i can be seduced into using it and put on Group pressure etc. just like to have first sex and similar. i view that as being tricked, as against my nature and actual will.
 
Sure. We agree on all desires that exploit or hurt other human beings.
But no sexual act between consenting adults is thus, if it's what both want.

And that's a fact in our country and gas been for many decades.

i dont want a society where homosexuality is seen as normal act between two adults. i doubt anyone wants. we just tolerate a few gays, but we dont want a gay society.

Then you are a homophobe, which is a form of bigotry.

Thus I have no desire to chat with you further.

ok then im a homophob and you are homophil and advocate of a gay society
 

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