Honest and open debate on gun control

[2aguy]

No matter how many times you repeat this, and no matter how hard you stomp your feet while doing so, it will not change the fact that licenses and tax stamps are non-synonymous.

They are when the stamp is proof of license by the state for ownership.

You do know what license means right? License: a permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade.

Here's another explanation...:

Step 1: Purchase NFA Item from dealer with class 3 license
The first step in the process is to purchase your firearm since you will need the serial number for your paperwork. When you purchase through a dealer with a class 3 license you can process paperwork through them. Once you have purchased your firearm, the dealer will hold the weapon until you are approved. If your paperwork is not approved for whatever reason, you may or may not get all of your money back depending on your dealer. Some dealers will allow you to put the payment in escrow, but be sure to be clear on all contingencies before buying.

ATF Form 4
ATF Form 4 is the application for tax paid transfer and registration of a firearm. You need to complete this form in duplicate to start the process of obtaining your NFA tax stamp. Remember that any misleading or false statement made on your paperwork is considered a felony offense.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Fingerprints & recent photos
Submitted with your ATF Form 4, you will need 2 sets of fingerprint cards and 2 recent photos of yourself in a passport style. Fingerprint cards can be made at your local Police Station or Sheriff's Department so contact them for more information. As for the passport photos, you can go to any place that takes photos for passports (like Walgreens).

Form 5330.20
When the transferee of a NFA firearm is an individual, form 5330.20, which is the certification of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B), must be filed. This form certifies that you have US citizenship.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Signature by Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO)
You will need a CLEO signature on your NFA Form 4. The CLEO signature it to have an authority in your local area check for criminal background or activity and look for a legitimate reason to deny your request. The authority can be your Chief of police, county Sheriff, State or Federal Judge. Don’t be discouraged if one of them is not willing to sign, the worst that is going to happen is you get told no and you have to move on to the next qualified CLEO.

Tax Stamp
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.

The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.

.............


It's a helluva lot easier to get a driver's license than it is a license to own machine gun.

yes.....as soon as you implement a 200 dollar tax for voting, along with an extensive course requirement on U.S. government and Constitutional law, and as long as the voter owns a home........then you can think about taxing guns......

Don't be a moron. We already have a 200 dollar tax for one type of gun... why not for other types?

Don't be an asshole...we shouldn't have the tax on those guns either....any tax or fee placed on guns makes it harder for the poorest Americans to buy them....and since the poorest of us usually live in democrat controlled hell holes, they are the ones who more often than not have less access to police and must rely more on themselves on a day to day basis for their own protection.

There is absolutely no need to put a tax on guns....a tool protected by the 2nd Amendment.....

And asshole.....why not put a 200 dollar tax on a license to vote, with a mandatory test on our government and Constitution with a property requirement....stupid voters do far more long term harm to all of us than guns do.....

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

I am 100% with you that this should not be done. My point was merely to outline how it could.

Well why didn't you say so.....I thought you were a gun grabber........I have developed a short temper when it comes to debating gun grabbers...I apologize for mistaking you for one......

 

[2aguy]

No matter how many times you repeat this, and no matter how hard you stomp your feet while doing so, it will not change the fact that licenses and tax stamps are non-synonymous.

They are when the stamp is proof of license by the state for ownership.

You do know what license means right? License: a permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade.

Here's another explanation...:

Step 1: Purchase NFA Item from dealer with class 3 license
The first step in the process is to purchase your firearm since you will need the serial number for your paperwork. When you purchase through a dealer with a class 3 license you can process paperwork through them. Once you have purchased your firearm, the dealer will hold the weapon until you are approved. If your paperwork is not approved for whatever reason, you may or may not get all of your money back depending on your dealer. Some dealers will allow you to put the payment in escrow, but be sure to be clear on all contingencies before buying.

ATF Form 4
ATF Form 4 is the application for tax paid transfer and registration of a firearm. You need to complete this form in duplicate to start the process of obtaining your NFA tax stamp. Remember that any misleading or false statement made on your paperwork is considered a felony offense.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Fingerprints & recent photos
Submitted with your ATF Form 4, you will need 2 sets of fingerprint cards and 2 recent photos of yourself in a passport style. Fingerprint cards can be made at your local Police Station or Sheriff's Department so contact them for more information. As for the passport photos, you can go to any place that takes photos for passports (like Walgreens).

Form 5330.20
When the transferee of a NFA firearm is an individual, form 5330.20, which is the certification of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B), must be filed. This form certifies that you have US citizenship.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Signature by Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO)
You will need a CLEO signature on your NFA Form 4. The CLEO signature it to have an authority in your local area check for criminal background or activity and look for a legitimate reason to deny your request. The authority can be your Chief of police, county Sheriff, State or Federal Judge. Don’t be discouraged if one of them is not willing to sign, the worst that is going to happen is you get told no and you have to move on to the next qualified CLEO.

Tax Stamp
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.

The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.

.............


It's a helluva lot easier to get a driver's license than it is a license to own machine gun.

yes.....as soon as you implement a 200 dollar tax for voting, along with an extensive course requirement on U.S. government and Constitutional law, and as long as the voter owns a home........then you can think about taxing guns......

Don't be a moron. We already have a 200 dollar tax for one type of gun... why not for other types?

Don't be an asshole...we shouldn't have the tax on those guns either....any tax or fee placed on guns makes it harder for the poorest Americans to buy them....and since the poorest of us usually live in democrat controlled hell holes, they are the ones who more often than not have less access to police and must rely more on themselves on a day to day basis for their own protection.

There is absolutely no need to put a tax on guns....a tool protected by the 2nd Amendment.....

And asshole.....why not put a 200 dollar tax on a license to vote, with a mandatory test on our government and Constitution with a property requirement....stupid voters do far more long term harm to all of us than guns do.....

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

I am 100% with you that this should not be done. My point was merely to outline how it could.

I don't think you solved his question though......or mine.....licensing can be done but it is pointless and does nothing that the gun grabbers claim they want...

 

[M14 Shooter]

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

Sorta. Thanks for the sparring!

 

[RKMBrown]

They are when the stamp is proof of license by the state for ownership.

You do know what license means right? License: a permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade.

Here's another explanation...:

Step 1: Purchase NFA Item from dealer with class 3 license
The first step in the process is to purchase your firearm since you will need the serial number for your paperwork. When you purchase through a dealer with a class 3 license you can process paperwork through them. Once you have purchased your firearm, the dealer will hold the weapon until you are approved. If your paperwork is not approved for whatever reason, you may or may not get all of your money back depending on your dealer. Some dealers will allow you to put the payment in escrow, but be sure to be clear on all contingencies before buying.

ATF Form 4
ATF Form 4 is the application for tax paid transfer and registration of a firearm. You need to complete this form in duplicate to start the process of obtaining your NFA tax stamp. Remember that any misleading or false statement made on your paperwork is considered a felony offense.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Fingerprints & recent photos
Submitted with your ATF Form 4, you will need 2 sets of fingerprint cards and 2 recent photos of yourself in a passport style. Fingerprint cards can be made at your local Police Station or Sheriff's Department so contact them for more information. As for the passport photos, you can go to any place that takes photos for passports (like Walgreens).

Form 5330.20
When the transferee of a NFA firearm is an individual, form 5330.20, which is the certification of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B), must be filed. This form certifies that you have US citizenship.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Signature by Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO)
You will need a CLEO signature on your NFA Form 4. The CLEO signature it to have an authority in your local area check for criminal background or activity and look for a legitimate reason to deny your request. The authority can be your Chief of police, county Sheriff, State or Federal Judge. Don’t be discouraged if one of them is not willing to sign, the worst that is going to happen is you get told no and you have to move on to the next qualified CLEO.

Tax Stamp
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.

The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.

.............


It's a helluva lot easier to get a driver's license than it is a license to own machine gun.

yes.....as soon as you implement a 200 dollar tax for voting, along with an extensive course requirement on U.S. government and Constitutional law, and as long as the voter owns a home........then you can think about taxing guns......

Don't be a moron. We already have a 200 dollar tax for one type of gun... why not for other types?

Don't be an asshole...we shouldn't have the tax on those guns either....any tax or fee placed on guns makes it harder for the poorest Americans to buy them....and since the poorest of us usually live in democrat controlled hell holes, they are the ones who more often than not have less access to police and must rely more on themselves on a day to day basis for their own protection.

There is absolutely no need to put a tax on guns....a tool protected by the 2nd Amendment.....

And asshole.....why not put a 200 dollar tax on a license to vote, with a mandatory test on our government and Constitution with a property requirement....stupid voters do far more long term harm to all of us than guns do.....

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

I am 100% with you that this should not be done. My point was merely to outline how it could.

Well why didn't you say so.....I thought you were a gun grabber........I have developed a short temper when it comes to debating gun grabbers...I apologize for mistaking you for one......

NP... The gun grabbers were not making a good show of themselves. So I pontificated the pattern that will be used to grab more guns. It's really pretty obvious if you think about it. They already have the pattern and for the most part it has worked. You don't see many machine guns around except for the ones the feds, police, and criminals have.

 

[RKMBrown]

They are when the stamp is proof of license by the state for ownership.

You do know what license means right? License: a permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade.

Here's another explanation...:

Step 1: Purchase NFA Item from dealer with class 3 license
The first step in the process is to purchase your firearm since you will need the serial number for your paperwork. When you purchase through a dealer with a class 3 license you can process paperwork through them. Once you have purchased your firearm, the dealer will hold the weapon until you are approved. If your paperwork is not approved for whatever reason, you may or may not get all of your money back depending on your dealer. Some dealers will allow you to put the payment in escrow, but be sure to be clear on all contingencies before buying.

ATF Form 4
ATF Form 4 is the application for tax paid transfer and registration of a firearm. You need to complete this form in duplicate to start the process of obtaining your NFA tax stamp. Remember that any misleading or false statement made on your paperwork is considered a felony offense.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Fingerprints & recent photos
Submitted with your ATF Form 4, you will need 2 sets of fingerprint cards and 2 recent photos of yourself in a passport style. Fingerprint cards can be made at your local Police Station or Sheriff's Department so contact them for more information. As for the passport photos, you can go to any place that takes photos for passports (like Walgreens).

Form 5330.20
When the transferee of a NFA firearm is an individual, form 5330.20, which is the certification of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B), must be filed. This form certifies that you have US citizenship.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Signature by Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO)
You will need a CLEO signature on your NFA Form 4. The CLEO signature it to have an authority in your local area check for criminal background or activity and look for a legitimate reason to deny your request. The authority can be your Chief of police, county Sheriff, State or Federal Judge. Don’t be discouraged if one of them is not willing to sign, the worst that is going to happen is you get told no and you have to move on to the next qualified CLEO.

Tax Stamp
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.

The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.

.............


It's a helluva lot easier to get a driver's license than it is a license to own machine gun.

yes.....as soon as you implement a 200 dollar tax for voting, along with an extensive course requirement on U.S. government and Constitutional law, and as long as the voter owns a home........then you can think about taxing guns......

Don't be a moron. We already have a 200 dollar tax for one type of gun... why not for other types?

Don't be an asshole...we shouldn't have the tax on those guns either....any tax or fee placed on guns makes it harder for the poorest Americans to buy them....and since the poorest of us usually live in democrat controlled hell holes, they are the ones who more often than not have less access to police and must rely more on themselves on a day to day basis for their own protection.

There is absolutely no need to put a tax on guns....a tool protected by the 2nd Amendment.....

And asshole.....why not put a 200 dollar tax on a license to vote, with a mandatory test on our government and Constitution with a property requirement....stupid voters do far more long term harm to all of us than guns do.....

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

I am 100% with you that this should not be done. My point was merely to outline how it could.

I don't think you solved his question though......or mine.....licensing can be done but it is pointless and does nothing that the gun grabbers claim they want...

Most gun grabbers don't know what they want. They just want "something" to be done.

 

[2aguy]

yes.....as soon as you implement a 200 dollar tax for voting, along with an extensive course requirement on U.S. government and Constitutional law, and as long as the voter owns a home........then you can think about taxing guns......

Don't be a moron. We already have a 200 dollar tax for one type of gun... why not for other types?

Don't be an asshole...we shouldn't have the tax on those guns either....any tax or fee placed on guns makes it harder for the poorest Americans to buy them....and since the poorest of us usually live in democrat controlled hell holes, they are the ones who more often than not have less access to police and must rely more on themselves on a day to day basis for their own protection.

There is absolutely no need to put a tax on guns....a tool protected by the 2nd Amendment.....

And asshole.....why not put a 200 dollar tax on a license to vote, with a mandatory test on our government and Constitution with a property requirement....stupid voters do far more long term harm to all of us than guns do.....

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

I am 100% with you that this should not be done. My point was merely to outline how it could.

I don't think you solved his question though......or mine.....licensing can be done but it is pointless and does nothing that the gun grabbers claim they want...

Most gun grabbers don't know what they want. They just want "something" to be done.

They know exactly what they want...it is just that they don't have the absolute power to do it...so they chip away at gun ownership one law, one tax, one fee ant a time.....

 

[2aguy]

Now let's go bash some real gun grabbers.........

 

[MikeK]

[...]

How does the tiny % of guns and gun owners that misuse their firearms create a compelling state interest where it must have on record the identity and whereabouts of everyone that chooses to exercise their right to arms in order to protect the rights of the people?

When I was a young man one could buy any type of shoulder weapon without providing any form of identification. Unless I am mistaken that situation no longer exists. In fact, in New Jersey, one must apply for and receive authorization to purchase even an air rifle. Were it not for this already extant ID requirement I would not consider adding a competence certification.

How does the even tinier % of guns and gun owners involved in an accidental shooting create a compelling state interest where it must require that everyone that chooses to exercise their right to arms undergo some sort of state-specified training in order to protect the rights of the people?

The "tiny" percentage of a vast population is a massive loss to the surviving family of a shooting accident or misuse in handling victim. If much of that massive loss can be avoided by including a competence requirement to the existing ID and background check requirement, why not impose it? What negative effect can it have?

I should add here that I am not anti-gun. I was raised around guns and I believe most gun laws are counterproductive. But as long as these laws are in place I see nothing wrong with making the best of a bad situation. And I simply believe there is something wrong with a situation in which someone who has absolutely no specific knowledge of and no training or experience with firearms can fill out a form and take one home to play with.

What is wrong with simply needing to convince a dealer that you know how to use, handle and safeguard the gun you want to buy?

 

[M14 Shooter]

When I was a young man one could buy any type of shoulder weapon without providing any form of identification. Unless I am mistaken that situation no longer exists. In fact, in New Jersey, one must apply for and receive authorization to purchase even an air rifle. Were it not for this already extant ID requirement I would not consider adding a competence certification.

This does not soundly answer my question. Please try again.

The "tiny" percentage of a vast population is a massive loss to the surviving family of a shooting accident or misuse in handling. If much of that tiny percentage can be avoided by including a competence requirement to the existing ID and background check requirement, why not impose it? What negative effect can it have?

This does not soundly answer my question. Please try again.

 

[Brain357]

They are when the stamp is proof of license by the state for ownership.

You do know what license means right? License: a permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade.

Here's another explanation...:

Step 1: Purchase NFA Item from dealer with class 3 license
The first step in the process is to purchase your firearm since you will need the serial number for your paperwork. When you purchase through a dealer with a class 3 license you can process paperwork through them. Once you have purchased your firearm, the dealer will hold the weapon until you are approved. If your paperwork is not approved for whatever reason, you may or may not get all of your money back depending on your dealer. Some dealers will allow you to put the payment in escrow, but be sure to be clear on all contingencies before buying.

ATF Form 4
ATF Form 4 is the application for tax paid transfer and registration of a firearm. You need to complete this form in duplicate to start the process of obtaining your NFA tax stamp. Remember that any misleading or false statement made on your paperwork is considered a felony offense.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Fingerprints & recent photos
Submitted with your ATF Form 4, you will need 2 sets of fingerprint cards and 2 recent photos of yourself in a passport style. Fingerprint cards can be made at your local Police Station or Sheriff's Department so contact them for more information. As for the passport photos, you can go to any place that takes photos for passports (like Walgreens).

Form 5330.20
When the transferee of a NFA firearm is an individual, form 5330.20, which is the certification of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B), must be filed. This form certifies that you have US citizenship.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Signature by Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO)
You will need a CLEO signature on your NFA Form 4. The CLEO signature it to have an authority in your local area check for criminal background or activity and look for a legitimate reason to deny your request. The authority can be your Chief of police, county Sheriff, State or Federal Judge. Don’t be discouraged if one of them is not willing to sign, the worst that is going to happen is you get told no and you have to move on to the next qualified CLEO.

Tax Stamp
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.

The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.

.............


It's a helluva lot easier to get a driver's license than it is a license to own machine gun.

yes.....as soon as you implement a 200 dollar tax for voting, along with an extensive course requirement on U.S. government and Constitutional law, and as long as the voter owns a home........then you can think about taxing guns......

Don't be a moron. We already have a 200 dollar tax for one type of gun... why not for other types?

Don't be an asshole...we shouldn't have the tax on those guns either....any tax or fee placed on guns makes it harder for the poorest Americans to buy them....and since the poorest of us usually live in democrat controlled hell holes, they are the ones who more often than not have less access to police and must rely more on themselves on a day to day basis for their own protection.

There is absolutely no need to put a tax on guns....a tool protected by the 2nd Amendment.....

And asshole.....why not put a 200 dollar tax on a license to vote, with a mandatory test on our government and Constitution with a property requirement....stupid voters do far more long term harm to all of us than guns do.....

You misunderstand. m14 was begging continuously for someone to make an argument for how to do this piece of shit thing. I got tired of waiting and watching him boast about no one being able to provide a way and / or an argument. So I did it.

I am 100% with you that this should not be done. My point was merely to outline how it could.

Well why didn't you say so.....I thought you were a gun grabber........I have developed a short temper when it comes to debating gun grabbers...I apologize for mistaking you for one......

You really have. You need to chill a bit. Fortunately I think we all understand politics brings out the worst. Something tells me you are otherwise very civil and pleasant.

 

[M14 Shooter]

611 posts, no sound responses.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Still nothing....

 

[RKMBrown]

Still nothing....

Bullshit... you've simply decided to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the debate.

You have still not addressed my extended tax stamp process idea that mirrors the process used for machine guns and silencers.

Additionally you have not addressed the "first crimes" point regarding people who are not criminals today but will use a weapon to become a criminal tomorrow... thus limiting certain guns will limit the number of first crimes with said weapons. Pure statistics.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Still nothing....

Bullshit... you've simply decided to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the debate.
You have still not addressed my extended tax stamp process idea that mirrors the process used for machine guns and silencers.

You have not explained how this prevent criminals from getting guns
You have not explained how a tax designed to limit the exercise of the right to arms does not violate the 2nd amendment

Additionally you have not addressed the "first crimes" point regarding people who are not criminals today but will use a weapon to become a criminal tomorrow.

Nothing in the OP necessitates that I do.
But... in a free country, people get to exercise their rights until they do something that causes them to loose the ability to do so

 

[RKMBrown]

Still nothing....

Bullshit... you've simply decided to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the debate.
You have still not addressed my extended tax stamp process idea that mirrors the process used for machine guns and silencers.

You have not explained how this prevent criminals from getting guns
You have not explained how a tax designed to limit the exercise of the right to arms does not violate the 2nd amendment

Additionally you have not addressed the "first crimes" point regarding people who are not criminals today but will use a weapon to become a criminal tomorrow.

Nothing in the OP necessitates that I do.
But... in a free country, people get to exercise their rights until they do something that causes them to loose the ability to do so

Again as stated before.. your reading of the 2nd amendment is wrong. It says "shall not restrict" it does not say shall make no laws regarding, shall not regulate, shall not limit, shall not register, or shall not tax.
Incorrect I already explained how it prevents some criminals from getting guns. It does so by reducing the number of guns in non-criminals hands. By reducing the number of guns in non-criminal hands we reduce future first criminals that use otherwise legal guns to commit crime.

Again you are not listening, I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse.

 

[RKMBrown]

If the tax stamp process currently being used is "unconstitutional" then why is it still in place some 50years later? If it is constitutional then it can be expanded.

 

[2aguy]

Still nothing....

Bullshit... you've simply decided to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the debate.
You have still not addressed my extended tax stamp process idea that mirrors the process used for machine guns and silencers.

You have not explained how this prevent criminals from getting guns
You have not explained how a tax designed to limit the exercise of the right to arms does not violate the 2nd amendment

Additionally you have not addressed the "first crimes" point regarding people who are not criminals today but will use a weapon to become a criminal tomorrow.

Nothing in the OP necessitates that I do.
But... in a free country, people get to exercise their rights until they do something that causes them to loose the ability to do so

This is the second poster using the term "First Crimes" is this a new tact by the nuts on the anti gun extremist whack job side.........what a bunch of morons......

 

[2aguy]

What part of fucking "infringed" do you anti gun extremists not fucking get....

Infringe Definition of infringe by Merriam-Webster

to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

Poll taxes and literacy tests are unconstitutional...taxes that make owning a weapon for self defense more difficult are the same thing as a poll tax or literacy test for that right....

 

[RKMBrown]

Still nothing....

Bullshit... you've simply decided to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the debate.
You have still not addressed my extended tax stamp process idea that mirrors the process used for machine guns and silencers.

You have not explained how this prevent criminals from getting guns
You have not explained how a tax designed to limit the exercise of the right to arms does not violate the 2nd amendment

Additionally you have not addressed the "first crimes" point regarding people who are not criminals today but will use a weapon to become a criminal tomorrow.

Nothing in the OP necessitates that I do.
But... in a free country, people get to exercise their rights until they do something that causes them to loose the ability to do so

This is the second poster using the term "First Crimes" is this a new tact by the nuts on the anti gun extremist whack job side.........what a bunch of morons......

I came up with it on my own. I thought it better than calling it the department of pre-crime. How often do you hear of people using machine guns to commit crimes?

 

[2aguy]

Still nothing....

Bullshit... you've simply decided to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the debate.
You have still not addressed my extended tax stamp process idea that mirrors the process used for machine guns and silencers.

You have not explained how this prevent criminals from getting guns
You have not explained how a tax designed to limit the exercise of the right to arms does not violate the 2nd amendment

Additionally you have not addressed the "first crimes" point regarding people who are not criminals today but will use a weapon to become a criminal tomorrow.

Nothing in the OP necessitates that I do.
But... in a free country, people get to exercise their rights until they do something that causes them to loose the ability to do so

This is the second poster using the term "First Crimes" is this a new tact by the nuts on the anti gun extremist whack job side.........what a bunch of morons......

I came up with it on my own. I thought it better than calling it the department of pre-crime. How often do you hear of people using machine guns to commit crimes?

Machine guns are large and hard to conceal and move around....pistols are easily concealed and kill just as easily for the type of murder they do...and when they want machine guns...they easily get them....