Hospital Won't Back Obama Birth Claim

[Care4all]

Does his parents checking the 'Indonesian Citizen' box give him dual citizenship and is dual citizenship allowed in becoming POTUS?

maybe they just LIED to get him into the school?


Occams Razor

Could be . . . but does he have dual citizenship and is that allowed in being POTUS?

though it hasn't happened yet, unless with obama, there is nothing to stop it, as far as i can tell....

i say unless with obama, because it is possible his father passed his british citizenship on to obama...kenya was a british colony, his father was subject to the queen i believe? don't know how that works....we, the usa, accepts duel citizenship with great britain if he does hold duel citizenship with britain....

their laws are obviously different from ours on citizenship....and i don't know them
and NO, he does not have duel citizenship with indonesia...

On this same application to enter this school in indonesia that is floating around, it says obama's place of birth, was honolulu, hawaii

 

[Zoom-boing]

maybe they just LIED to get him into the school?


Occams Razor

Could be . . . but does he have dual citizenship and is that allowed in being POTUS?

No... that would most certainly disqualify him.

The point Mr. Benjamin made convincingly is that during the sixties, when Indonesia was a Police State, it was necessary to have certain identity papers, called Student KTP to attend the Indonesian State recognized Schools he attended,and which Foreign children were not permitted to attend. They were not international schools.

Mr Benjamin continued:"No journalist has denied that the SD Asisi Record contains the following information: He was enrolled on January 1st 1968, given Serial No 203 and placed in Class 1 B. His Religion is given as Islam, his Nationality Indonesian, his Father's Name as L Soetoro Ma., his Father's Occupation as Official, Director General's Office TNI [Topography Division Indonesian Army] and his Name as Barry Soetoro."

It is Mr Benjamin's considered conclusion that "there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian." Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.

Additionally, if you examine Obama's application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names. Certainly another cause for suspicions that Barry has been trying to keep his real history secret for years. If he hasn't actually legally changed his name to Barack Obama, then it may be possible that his candidacy is going to be dismissed, because it is in the wrong name.

Obama's Dual Citizenship Problem

Thanks.

 

[Care4all]

ok, maybe you can't be president with duel citizenship, doesn't matter he was not an adult, he was born a us citizen, it can NOT be taken away from him or given up by him until he was 18....

he's done nothing to show his allegiance is to indonesia....this is sooooooo reaching at straws....sheesh

 

[007]

ok, maybe you can't be president with duel citizenship, doesn't matter he was not an adult, he was born a us citizen, it can NOT be taken away from him or given up by him until he was 18....

he's done nothing to show his allegiance is to indonesia....this is sooooooo reaching at straws....sheesh

No... if he was born in Kenya, his mother was too young to confer her citizenship to him, so that doesn't count. His real father was a British citizen so that doesn't count. His step father was Indonesian and adopted him making him Indonesian. Now IF he was born in Hawaii, he'd still be a dual citizen which precludes him from qualifying for the Presidency.

On all accounts he loses, that's why the issue is so hush, hush by the powers to be. They know there's MASSIVE trouble brewing and that they screwed up. Problem for them is this issue is growing, and it WON'T go away until we see PROOF, REAL PROOF, of where soetoro was born.

 

[geauxtohell]

BTW, if anyone is paying attention, a court in California ruled that Orly Taitz has standing in her Keyes v. Obama case and that the case will proceed on it's own merits.

The government has 60 days to respond.

Looks like the case is finally going to be heard on it's own merits, so you birthers won't have to whine about that anymore.

 

[Yurt]

BTW, if anyone is paying attention, a court in California ruled that Orly Taitz has standing in her Keyes v. Obama case and that the case will proceed on it's own merits.

The government has 60 days to respond.

Looks like the case is finally going to be heard on it's own merits, so you birthers won't have to whine about that anymore.

yeah....its whining when people discuss the politics and implications of citizens not having standing to bring a claim against a government official

moron

 

[xotoxi]

The point Mr. Benjamin made convincingly is that during the sixties, when Indonesia was a Police State, it was necessary to have certain identity papers, called Student KTP to attend the Indonesian State recognized Schools he attended,and which Foreign children were not permitted to attend. They were not international schools.

Mr Benjamin continued:"No journalist has denied that the SD Asisi Record contains the following information: He was enrolled on January 1st 1968, given Serial No 203 and placed in Class 1 B. His Religion is given as Islam, his Nationality Indonesian, his Father's Name as L Soetoro Ma., his Father's Occupation as Official, Director General's Office TNI [Topography Division Indonesian Army] and his Name as Barry Soetoro."

It is Mr Benjamin's considered conclusion that "there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian." Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.

Additionally, if you examine Obama's application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names. Certainly another cause for suspicions that Barry has been trying to keep his real history secret for years. If he hasn't actually legally changed his name to Barack Obama, then it may be possible that his candidacy is going to be dismissed, because it is in the wrong name.

The United States had no recognition that he was an Indonesian citizen.

So, unless you are saying that US citizenship laws are trumped by Indonesian citizenship laws, then he has always been a US citizen.

 

[Modbert]

No... if he was born in Kenya, his mother was too young to confer her citizenship to him, so that doesn't count. His real father was a British citizen so that doesn't count. His step father was Indonesian and adopted him making him Indonesian. Now IF he was born in Hawaii, he'd still be a dual citizen which precludes him from qualifying for the Presidency.

On all accounts he loses, that's why the issue is so hush, hush by the powers to be. They know there's MASSIVE trouble brewing and that they screwed up. Problem for them is this issue is growing, and it WON'T go away until we see PROOF, REAL PROOF, of where soetoro was born.

You do realize Joe Biden will most likely become President correct? While it will fulfill your dream of there no longer being a black President, a Democrat will still be in charge.

By the way, who are these "powers at be"? Are they say the same ones keeping the flat earthers and the people who don't believe in the moon landings down?

 

[Againsheila]

There are stark differences between McCain and obama. They held Supreme Court hearings on McCain, even though he had TWO American citizens for parents. They did NOT hold Supreme Court hearings on obama, even though one of his parents was NOT an American citizen, he'd lived a large part of his child hood in Indonesia, and he's never shown proof of his place of birth.

It's frustrating to watch you people read these facts over and over but fail to admit their veracity.

The bottom line is, there is enough evidence and facts to this issue to make a reasonable person ask, "why doesn't obama show us his real birth certificate, or any one of many other documents, and clear this whole mess up."

If he has nothing to hide, then why is he hiding everything he's got with so much money and legal maneuvering?

Given your statement that "they held Supreme Court hearings on McCain," when of course, no such hearings occurred, your bolded statement is pretty damn ironic...

Sorry... they held SENATE HEARINGS on McCain... Senate unanimous in vote to back McCain's eligibility | www.azstarnet.com ® ... whereas they held NONE on soetoro.

And just to address the point that care4all and others have tried to forward that soetoro could have possibly been made an American citizen, which still isn't "natural born," by his mother, well that couldn't happen either, since his mother was too young at the time to transfer said citizenship if soetoro was born in Kenya.

They questioned as to whether or not McCain was eligible to be President, and he was born to TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS. Soetoro, we know, was born to only ONE, and we don't even know WHERE! People should be OUTRAGED this issue isn't being addressed by our government.

I do not believe our constitution allows our senate to change our laws of citizenship, or even to clarify them, that should be left up to the supreme court. Again, McCain didn't qualify for the presidency either, which is why Obama was never challenged.

My brother and I were both born on American bases overseas to TWO American citizens and WE are naturalized citizens and CAN'T run for the presidency. There is no way in heck McCain should be able to either. I think it's pretty clear that our government is bending the laws for the corporations and the wealthy and the heck with the rest of us.

 

[manu1959]

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

 

[Yurt]

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

manu.....they're talking about the certifcation, not certificate....they have not seen the original....else how can they claim to have posted high resolution photographs of it? they are lying or mistaken....your pick

 

[Modbert]

Where Obama was born | Obama Conspiracy Theories

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/07/hawaii-homelands-declares-short-form-good-enough/

 

[manu1959]

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

manu.....they're talking about the certifcation, not certificate....they have not seen the original....else how can they claim to have posted high resolution photographs of it? they are lying or mistaken....your pick

the certificate was inspected and photographed and hs been accepted by the state dept and the us supreme court closed the case.....

move on......

 

[Againsheila]

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

manu.....they're talking about the certifcation, not certificate....they have not seen the original....else how can they claim to have posted high resolution photographs of it? they are lying or mistaken....your pick

the certificate was inspected and photographed and hs been accepted by the state dept and the us supreme court closed the case.....

move on......

It has not been accepted by the supreme court, they refuse to hear the case. Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?

 

[Sweet Willy]

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

manu.....they're talking about the certifcation, not certificate....they have not seen the original....else how can they claim to have posted high resolution photographs of it? they are lying or mistaken....your pick

That was pretty early on in this mess when Fact Check wrote that. I don't think the entire "certificate / certification" bullshit had been raised. In any case, clinging to those terms as some sort of proof of a conspiracy is pure desperation.

As far as your standing argument, perhaps someone will have standing. It looks like someone MIGHT get somewhere with this in CA, but I doubt it. Don't get your hopes up. The reality is that the President has important business to tend to. Unless someone can state a valid claim, for which relief can be granted, no court is going to force the President to deal with what amounts to pure harassment from conspiracy theorist.

And if this photo copy of the original is ever produced, you be sure to get on board with beating back all these fucking retards who have claimed "why doesn't he just put this to rest?". The same people who are going to continue to cry foul and conspiracy no matter what. The same people who want this original viewed will reject it as a forgery.

This whole issue is an exercise in retarded, partisan futility.

 

[Modbert]

View attachment 7698

Where Obama was born | Obama Conspiracy Theories

Hawaii Homelands declares Short Form GOOD ENOUGH! | Obama Conspiracy Theories

So how come all of you looking for proof of the hospital he was born at aren't responding to this post?

 

[geauxtohell]

yeah....its whining when people discuss the politics and implications of citizens not having standing to bring a claim against a government official

Hey, you were the one that kept bitching about how the case has never truly been heard, because everyone has been denied standing.

However, I was incorrect. The ruling today was over Obama being in default in Taitz's suit. The judge essentially ruled today that Obama wasn't in default for the previous serving (Taitz's contention), but allowed Taitz to serve the Obama adminisitration, via the lawyers for the government who were in the courtroom for the defense, on the spot and gave them 60 days to respond.

So the issue of standing and the merits of the case weren't discussed today. Though it was pretty funny to see Orly try to do so, and the judge continually tell her to stop.

Thus, the case can still be tossed on standing. We shall see.

moron

Whatever, fuckstick. You haven't shown us anything beyond a demonstrated ability to make incoherent arguements and toss out insults.

 

[geauxtohell]

It has not been accepted by the supreme court, they refuse to hear the case. Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?

It makes me wonder why you think the Supreme Court would hear a case before the lower courts have.

 

[Yurt]

It has not been accepted by the supreme court, they refuse to hear the case. Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?

It makes me wonder why you think the Supreme Court would hear a case before the lower courts have.

LMAO.....

original jurisdiction

 

[Yurt]

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

manu.....they're talking about the certifcation, not certificate....they have not seen the original....else how can they claim to have posted high resolution photographs of it? they are lying or mistaken....your pick

the certificate was inspected and photographed and hs been accepted by the state dept and the us supreme court closed the case.....

move on......

huh? the long form? a copy of the original? that fact check link was to the computerized copy, not a copy of the original. HI codes even spell out the difference....look at the codes printed on the bottom manu....

a copy of the original has never been presented in any court or to any news or internet site....

a little surprised manu