House votes to block Syrian refugees

[Meathead]

Americans acting un-American is hurtful, absolutely, especially the Dems. Next time they can run as GOPers. This is to be expected from them as they live in constant fear and hate the unknown.

I agree, we should be taking care of americans and not putting their lives in jeopardy. I completely agree.

What puts their lives in jeopardy are thier own actions dicking with the world and the nations of others. Bush and Cheney are the fathers of ISIS.

Go hide under your pillow, we'll let you know when it's safe to come out.

I don't live in fear, unlike the rest of you. And, it will never be safe.

Says the Leftard who shakes in fear of the Tea Party and FOX news.

Please, stop using the terms like leftards. 'Dingbats' is just as sufficient, obvious and far more appropriate. yet are still clearly retains the meaning of lefties. No reason to go down to their level. Thank you.

 

[Coyote]

Just like they did yesterday. Some things never change unfortunately. That's the politics of fear.

Not fear, but caution.

When you look at the refugee process - it's two years of vetting and checking.

We have settled 784,000 refugees since 9/11. Since then, exactly three have been arrested in relation to terrorist activities. Of those 3 - 2 were not planning an attack in the US and "the plans of the third were barely credible"

We are not like the European continent and are isolated from the direct influx of refugees by an ocean.

The most common arguments against resettling more Syrian refugees, made by some Republican presidential candidates and members of Congress, is that the resettlement program could be a path for infiltration into the United States by ISIS or other terrorists. But the refugee resettlement program is the least likely avenue for a terrorist to choose. Refugees who are selected for resettlement to the United States go through a painstaking, many-layered review before they are accepted. The FBI, Department of Homeland Security, State Department, and national intelligence agencies independently check refugees’ biometric data against security databases. The whole process typically takes 18-24 months, with high hurdles for security clearance.​

The United States is protected by geography from the inflow of asylum seekers who are entering Europe, mainly through Greece and Italy. Almost 600,000 have arrived in Europe so far this year—as many as 1 million may have entered by year’s end. The majority are unquestionably refugees. Germany and other European states have not invited them or agreed in advance to accept them—the refugees have just arrived, after dangerous journeys across the sea and overland. But European states are bound by their international obligations not to return them to danger. The United States, by contrast, has the luxury of choice of which refugees to admit through its resettlement program, from Syria, Iraq, or elsewhere. How robustly will it exercise that choice?​

Rational "caution" would tell us this is not where we need to concentrate our efforts, rather we should look at other avenues of entry that are a higher risk for ISIS infiltration than the refugee process.

So yes, the politics of fear.

For you it is fear, the practice today of vetting is not adequate it is really that simple, I say caution. If there is any hate or fear it is coming from you.

No hatred or fear from me, simply a logical look at things. It's amazing how quickly logic goes out the window when the fear becomes the overriding emotion.

Logic says develop a means to effectively vet then allow them in, what you suggest is to throw all caution to the wind. Yes you castigate those who wish to preserve our way of life free from terrorism that is both hateful and fearful.

I can understand reasonable caution - are you suggesting that is all that is driving this? Listen to the rhetoric around and listen to the Republicans whipping up the frenzy:

Trump:

Trump would not rule out warrantless searches in his plans for increased surveillance of the nation’s Muslims, Yahoo reported Thursday.
He also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.​

Cruz:

Sen. Ted Cruz Sunday continued to call for Muslim refugees from Syria to be barred from entering the United States but opening the borders to displaced Christians, arguing there is not a "meaningful risk" that Christians will commit terrorist acts.​

Rep. Mike Moon:

"For the safety of Missourians, we can ill-afford to wait," Moon wrote in the letter. "I ask that you begin the process of calling the General Assembly into Special Session in order to tie the Governor's hands, putting a stop to the potential Islamization of Missouri." ...Our preference, as a nation, should be to place the refugees in camps so that they can be properly cared for and returned safely home when the time is right.​

TN State House Glen Casada:

"I'm not worried about what a bureaucrat in D.C. or an unelected judge thinks. ... We need to gather [Syrian refugees] up and politely take them back to the ICE [federal immigration] center and say, 'They're not coming to Tennessee, they're yours,'" Tennessee state House GOP Caucus Chairman Glen Casada told The Tennessean Tuesday.

"We need to activate the Tennessee National Guard and stop them from coming in to the state by whatever means we can. ... Tennessee is a sovereign state. If the federal government is forsaking the obligation to protect our citizens, we need to act," he said.​

State Sen. Elaine Morgan (R):

“If we need to take these people in we should set up [a] refugee camp to keep them segregated from our populous.” Morgan wrote in the email. “I think the protection of our US citizens and the United States of America should be the most important issue here.”

Morgan also launched into a bigoted attack on Muslim people by lumping the entire religious community together with Islamic State terrorists.

“The Muslim religion and philosophy is to murder, rape, and decapitate anyone who is a non Muslim,” she wrote, also stating, “I do not want our governor bringing in any Syrian refugees. I think our country is under attack. I think this is a major plan by these countries to spread out their people to attack all non Muslim persons.”​

On preserving our way of life:

Obama:
Speaking at a G-20 summit in Turkey, President Barack Obama chastised politicians across the aisle for advocating for a "religious test" for individuals fleeing persecution in war-torn countries.

"That's shameful. That's not American. That's not who we are," Obama said. The values we are fighting against ISIL for are precisely that we don't discriminate against people because of their faith. We don't kill people because they're different than us. That's what separates us from them."

Rep. Aaron Regunberg
...pointed out that his own grandfather was forced to flee Nazi Germany as a refugee. “I am alive today because — after great desperation and hardship — my grandfather was able to flee Nazi Germany and find safety as a refugee in the Philippines,” he wrote in a letter to Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo. “We can do this responsibly and safely, and I urge you to keep Rhode Island true to its long history of welcoming those who seek sanctuary from persecution,”

G.W. Bush:
"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about," Bush said in 2001. "Islam is peace."


In no way am I suggesting we "throw all caution to the wind", so let's be honest here.

FBI Director James Comey balks at refugee legislation - CNNPolitics.com
There are always risks in allowing any foreigners into the U.S., Comey told the officials, adding that the FBI believes it has an effective process with intelligence and other agencies to conduct vetting of refugees.

 

[jc456]

Your role models always have "feet of clay"

...and yours are liars, deceivers, criminals, Socialists, traitors, and Islamic Extremist Sympathizers...

with the blood of innocence on their hands.

 

[easyt65]

'60 Minutes' Exposes The 'Sovereign Citizens' As The Nation's Most Serious Domestic-terrorism Threat
But because right-wing talkersonly want to discuss terrorism as a "Muslim" phenomenon, we're getting a badly skewed understanding of the nature of terrorism.

Here's that map -- and many of these indeed involve crimes committed by self-described "sovereign citizens":

Click on map to see interactive version.
domestic terrorism,Patriot movement,Right-wing extremism,right-wing violence,sovereign citizens

Why are you 'screaming'?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Your role models always have "feet of clay"

...and yours are liars, deceivers, criminals, Socialists, traitors, and Islamic Extremist Sympathizers...

with the blood of innocence on their hands.

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"


Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed(Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,801

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Why are you 'screaming'?

"my words but a whisper your deafness a shout"

 

[Coyote]

Doing the right thing isn't "screwing the American people".

We did the wrong thing in the 1930's andn 40's.

Lets hope we don't repeat the mistake.

See that is the problem. You define what is the 'right thing' via your ideological premise then justify everything else as good for us because it corresponds to your ideology.

But your ideology is bullshit if it requires us to have open borders while we are fight an asymetrical war with several global terrorist organizations, dude.

Who said anything about open borders?

 

[jc456]

Your role models always have "feet of clay"

...and yours are liars, deceivers, criminals, Socialists, traitors, and Islamic Extremist Sympathizers...

with the blood of innocence on their hands.

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"


Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed(Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,801

yep a mission approved by congress. The American congress fighting for the safety of Americans. There is no reason to roll the dice and have the conflict here. your point?

 

[jc456]

Why are you 'screaming'?

"my words but a whisper your deafness a shout"

Ian is that you?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

yep a mission approved by congress. The American congress fighting for the safety of Americans. There is no reason to roll the dice and have the conflict here. your point?

For the safety of Americans from what a new Camel Hump Rocket LOl.
you wing nuts are ninnies ...you do not believe the Government on Global warming but you believe any God Damn thing From the Government that leads to killing folks....

 

[easyt65]

yep a mission approved by congress. The American congress fighting for the safety of Americans. There is no reason to roll the dice and have the conflict here. your point?

For the safety of Americans from what a new Came; Hump Rocket LOl.
you wing nuts are ninnies ...you do not believe the Government on Global warming but you believe any God Damn thing From the Government that leads to killing folks....

 

[Weatherman2020]

Your role models always have "feet of clay"

...and yours are liars, deceivers, criminals, Socialists, traitors, and Islamic Extremist Sympathizers...

with the blood of innocence on their hands.

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"


Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed(Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,801

Does it make you feel good to lie for your Islamo masters?

 

[toxicmedia]

I have a big problem with 20,000 Islamic refugees from an ISIS hot bed that are not properly screened.

Where do the refugees stay while being vetted?

Where are they now?....

So... you don't know?
I don't either, which is why I asked.
It is not my impression, however that these refugees will stay where they are until "vetted", rather they will come here pending that process.
If so, where do these people stay? Are they free to roam about?

It would be rather insane for them to be roaming about, un-vetted....just like Ben Carson. Look what he's going through.

So since we're engaging in sheer speculation....

......and I always hate "if so" hypotheticals, because they're usually not benign brain storming sessions between inquiring minds.......

At any rate, I'd guess they're in Greece, Turkey, or wherever they washed ashore from the Mediterranean. I had to look up how to spell that by the way.

So, we go to the refugee camps, and put micro chips in all of them, put them on a freighter, and bring over the ones that........ya know what......

nevermind, this is too complicated.

I've changed my mind. This sounds harder than sending 11 million illegals back to Mexico

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Does it make you feel good to lie for your Islamo masters?

My what ? My "Islamo Masters"...?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have a big problem with 20,000 Islamic refugees from an ISIS hot bed that are not properly screened.

Where do the refugees stay while being vetted?

Where are they now?....

So... you don't know?
I don't either, which is why I asked.
It is not my impression, however that these refugees will stay where they are until "vetted", rather they will come here pending that process.
If so, where do these people stay? Are they free to roam about?

It would be rather insane for them to be roaming about...

I agree.
So their either stay where they are until vetted, or come here and are confined until vetted.
If they already have a place to stay, why do they need to come here?

 

[Coyote]

Doing the right thing isn't "screwing the American people".

We did the wrong thing in the 1930's andn 40's.

Lets hope we don't repeat the mistake.

Listen, you anti American, anti human scum, the Jewish people had not declared WAR on us and were not a threat to security and safety, as Muslims are. Jewish terrorists were not flooding our borders. The Jewish people were victims of religious persecution, as the CHRISTIANS of the middle east are today. In the analogy of wwII\today's Islamic created crisis, YOU are on the side of the assholes like fdr who helped Hitler and blocked the Jews from entering our country by refusing to acknowledge their special refugee status..

Nope. I'm not the one trying to block refugees because of their religion. Sounds like you want to though.

 

[pwjohn]

Doing the right thing isn't "screwing the American people".

We did the wrong thing in the 1930's andn 40's.

Lets hope we don't repeat the mistake.

What....WINNING a war? We are in a WAR you dumb fuck. Wake up.


Good for the House.

And you know what...GOOD FOR DEMOCRATS who voted in favor of this. They may have realized their closet Muslim president is going rogue and no longer gives a fuck about the Democrat Party. He used them to get to the Oval Office. How comfortable he looked criticizing Americans in the Muslim Phillipines.

I wonder who's side our military, cia, and the state dept are on. Seriously.

They couldn't have done a better job in the creation of the Islamic State that grew out of a large part of Syria. I wonder what's next on their agenda.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Your role models always have "feet of clay"

...and yours are liars, deceivers, criminals, Socialists, traitors, and Islamic Extremist Sympathizers...

with the blood of innocence on their hands.

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"


Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed(Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,801

Does it make you feel good to lie for your Islamo masters?

You guys are the ones doing their jobs for them, we're trying to stop you and your fear-mongering.

 

[koshergrl]

Doing the right thing isn't "screwing the American people".

We did the wrong thing in the 1930's andn 40's.

Lets hope we don't repeat the mistake.

Listen, you anti American, anti human scum, the Jewish people had not declared WAR on us and were not a threat to security and safety, as Muslims are. Jewish terrorists were not flooding our borders. The Jewish people were victims of religious persecution, as the CHRISTIANS of the middle east are today. In the analogy of wwII\today's Islamic created crisis, YOU are on the side of the assholes like fdr who helped Hitler and blocked the Jews from entering our country by refusing to acknowledge their special refugee status..

Nope. I'm not the one trying to block refugees because of their religion. Sounds like you want to though.

Yes, you are. You're facilitating genocide and denying Christians entrance to the states unless they make themselves known to, and travel with, the people who are killing them. Meanwhile you wave in anybody else, even those who have declared war on us and committed violent crimes in the past.

 

[Coyote]

Doing the right thing isn't "screwing the American people".

We did the wrong thing in the 1930's andn 40's.

Lets hope we don't repeat the mistake.

Listen, you anti American, anti human scum, the Jewish people had not declared WAR on us and were not a threat to security and safety, as Muslims are. Jewish terrorists were not flooding our borders. The Jewish people were victims of religious persecution, as the CHRISTIANS of the middle east are today. In the analogy of wwII\today's Islamic created crisis, YOU are on the side of the assholes like fdr who helped Hitler and blocked the Jews from entering our country by refusing to acknowledge their special refugee status..

Nope. I'm not the one trying to block refugees because of their religion. Sounds like you want to though.

Yes, you are. You're facilitating genocide and denying Christians entrance to the states unless they make themselves known to, and travel with, the people who are killing them. Meanwhile you wave in anybody else, even those who have declared war on us and committed violent crimes in the past.

How am I denying Christians anything? How am I facilitating genocide? I'm the one arguing there shouldn't be a religious litmus test for refugees. Where have I ever expressed support for letting in people who have committed violent crimes? Let's stick to reality here.