How about some examples of this “socialism” stuff y’all are afraid of?

[bripat9643]

Next, bripat is going to tell us what a wise investor he is. But we've all seen the hoaxes he has fallen for over the past months and years. Some hilarious shit.

And he fell for Trump hook, line, and sinker.

Anyone can be a wise investor if they dollar cost average with their investments. Much better instead of relying on government cheese. We should teach kids how to invest for their own futures. The government is not, and never will be reliable.

"Dollar cost averaging" is just a way brokers convince you to lose money all the way down to the bottom of the market.

 

[boedicca]

 

[blackhawk]

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Running out of other people's money is something Trump is going to learn the hard way as he has doubled our deficits in order to artificially juice the GDP and take credit for it.

Always funny how people are concerned about spending when it’s being done by those they don’t support I don’t recall any of the Presidents before Trump being willing to close the government vault.

Nor do I. Which is why I have been talking about the debt since coming to this forum.

The true hypocrisy is one the part of those who whined about Obama's spending and have gone completely radio silent over Trump doubling the deficit and spending a trillion dollars a year more than Obama's worst year!

I am convinced it would literally kill them to make any noise about Trump's massive overspending the way they did over Obama's.

On the flip side I didn’t hear any of Obama supporters who are now so concerned over Trumps spending have anything to say when it was Obama doing it. The only time most care about government spending is when the other side is doing it.

 

[bripat9643]

All capitalist countries. What's your point?

Oh by the way, nothing is free. You idiots really need to stop saying shit is free when the citizens are footing the bill.

I was speaking in relation to the UAE, where indeed it is "free shit" paid for by oil and gas exports, which are government owned and managed resources. Yes, there are private businesses and private ownership of property in the UAE, but the financial underpinnings of the "free shit" is the socialist ownership of the oil and gas.

As for the rest of the world, YOU'RE the ones who call it "free shit". We call it government funded programs, and in Canada, the people genuinely are the government. Our government is not run by corporate interests in favour of the corporations, our government is elected by the people to OUR benefit. The taxes we pay are returned to us, to our children, and to our communities giving us the highest standard of living in the world, a long life expectancy, clean air and water, well-maintained infrastructure, and one of the highest levels of personal freedom in the world.

We are all democratic socialist countries. It's not everyone for themselves. We REQUIRE corporations to pay their fair share of taxes, and contribute to their communities. Our tax dollars are not going to a bloated military starting wars around the world. Our Constitution says that Canadians are required to help others. That's right, it is our Constitutional DUTY, to be good neighbours. Even when you folks are being assholes to everyone, including Canada.

We call it government funded programs,

SOCIALISM

So the military is socialist, eh?

Yes it is, dumbass.

But socialism is bad!

Yes it is. The military is way overpriced and extremely wasteful because it's socialist.

 

[bripat9643]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away?

Panera.

What do they give away?

 

[Leo123]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away? Calling the government distribution of land "socialism" is quite a stretch. Would having the government keep the land be less socialist? No it wouldn't. Converting government owned land to privately owned land is the quickest way to get it under market control. That's what the government should do, not retain it and create a government real estate empire.

Yes, the Pilgrims learned that the hard way as they starved when creating a commune for distributing the goods and food they created. Only when they granted private land to individuals to make their own profit did they have bounties. Thanksgiving was the result.

 

[rightwinger]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

Socialism was a reality

We could not have relied on a free market during wartime. The government seized all production, supplies, prices that could be charged.

 

[bripat9643]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

It was socialism. It was a stupid way to fight a war. All it did is harm our economic output.

 

[rightwinger]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away? Calling the government distribution of land "socialism" is quite a stretch. Would having the government keep the land be less socialist? No it wouldn't. Converting government owned land to privately owned land is the quickest way to get it under market control. That's what the government should do, not retain it and create a government real estate empire.

Yes, the Pilgrims learned that the hard way as they starved when creating a commune for distributing the goods and food they created. Only when they granted private land to individuals to make their own profit did they have bounties. Thanksgiving was the result.

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

 

[bripat9643]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

Socialism was a reality

We could not have relied on a free market during wartime. The government seized all production, supplies, prices that could be charged.

Bullshit. There's no reason the government could not have simply purchased what it needed to fight the war. Of course, then it would have had to raise taxes to pay for it, and that would have been very unpopular.

 

[Leo123]

Next, bripat is going to tell us what a wise investor he is. But we've all seen the hoaxes he has fallen for over the past months and years. Some hilarious shit.

And he fell for Trump hook, line, and sinker.

Anyone can be a wise investor if they dollar cost average with their investments. Much better instead of relying on government cheese. We should teach kids how to invest for their own futures. The government is not, and never will be reliable.

"Dollar cost averaging" is just a way brokers convince you to lose money all the way down to the bottom of the market.

We disagree, all dollar cost averaging is is investing a small % of your earnings every month. It works and you don't need a broker to do it.

 

[bripat9643]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away? Calling the government distribution of land "socialism" is quite a stretch. Would having the government keep the land be less socialist? No it wouldn't. Converting government owned land to privately owned land is the quickest way to get it under market control. That's what the government should do, not retain it and create a government real estate empire.

Yes, the Pilgrims learned that the hard way as they starved when creating a commune for distributing the goods and food they created. Only when they granted private land to individuals to make their own profit did they have bounties. Thanksgiving was the result.

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Again, that's bullshit. They starved when they operated as a commune. When they switched to private property, they had a surplus.

 

[rightwinger]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

It was socialism. It was a stupid way to fight a war. All it did is harm our economic output.

It turned us into a superpower

Both military and economic

 

[bripat9643]

Next, bripat is going to tell us what a wise investor he is. But we've all seen the hoaxes he has fallen for over the past months and years. Some hilarious shit.

And he fell for Trump hook, line, and sinker.

Anyone can be a wise investor if they dollar cost average with their investments. Much better instead of relying on government cheese. We should teach kids how to invest for their own futures. The government is not, and never will be reliable.

"Dollar cost averaging" is just a way brokers convince you to lose money all the way down to the bottom of the market.

We disagree, all dollar cost averaging is is investing a small % of your earnings every month. It works and you don't need a broker to do it.

it's stupid to "invest" when the market is going down.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

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How’s Venezuela socialism doing?

Just a few points;

This thread was intended to be about the USA. Bringing up Venezuela, Cuba or any other failed socialist state is just a red herring because we have little in common with them.

Secondly, no one can deny that this is a capitalist country. Corporations are making a ton of money and free enterprise is thriving and the means of production are for the most part private .

You boys get confused about this socialism thing because it is not a laissez fair system, there are regulations and controls in place in order to do things like protect consumers and workers, protect the environment and prevent reckless behavior by the banks. Don't like regulations ? Remember the crash of 2008? Remember child labor and sweat shops? Remember polluted water ways like the Hudson River?

Other things that you boys bleat about as Socialism are the social programs and anything that smacks of wealth redistribution. But social safety nets actually are essential Capitalism because, in a free market, demands for labor expand and contract so- there are times when there is excess labor- these programs keep those sidelined works alive and reasonably healthy for when they are need again .

As far as wealth redistribution goes, keep in mind that we have had a graduated income tax for a long time. It seems that you guys only started crying socialism around the time that Obama was elected. To much wealth and income inequality makes for an oligarchy and destroys democracy.

So if you want to preserve our way of life-our nation you have to rein in the greed

Ya, rein in government, entitlement greed.

Thank you for that brilliant, articulate and well researched commentary. You really tore up my post dude!! As always, I learn so much from you because to raise the bar on intellectual discourse on the USMB .May the Goddesses bless you always

 

[bripat9643]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

It was socialism. It was a stupid way to fight a war. All it did is harm our economic output.

It turned us into a superpower

Both military and economic

More bullshit. We already had the largest economy in the world by far before the war started.

 

[rightwinger]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away? Calling the government distribution of land "socialism" is quite a stretch. Would having the government keep the land be less socialist? No it wouldn't. Converting government owned land to privately owned land is the quickest way to get it under market control. That's what the government should do, not retain it and create a government real estate empire.

Yes, the Pilgrims learned that the hard way as they starved when creating a commune for distributing the goods and food they created. Only when they granted private land to individuals to make their own profit did they have bounties. Thanksgiving was the result.

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Again, that's bullshit. They starved when they operated as a commune. When they switched to private property, they had a surplus.

Fingerboy

You are confusing cause and effect
There were minimal resources. They had to share or perish

 

[rightwinger]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

It was socialism. It was a stupid way to fight a war. All it did is harm our economic output.

It turned us into a superpower

Both military and economic

More bullshit. We already had the largest economy in the world by far before the war started.

We were in the worst Depression in our history

 

[Leo123]

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

 

[bripat9643]

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away? Calling the government distribution of land "socialism" is quite a stretch. Would having the government keep the land be less socialist? No it wouldn't. Converting government owned land to privately owned land is the quickest way to get it under market control. That's what the government should do, not retain it and create a government real estate empire.

Yes, the Pilgrims learned that the hard way as they starved when creating a commune for distributing the goods and food they created. Only when they granted private land to individuals to make their own profit did they have bounties. Thanksgiving was the result.

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Again, that's bullshit. They starved when they operated as a commune. When they switched to private property, they had a surplus.

Fingerboy

You are confusing cause and effect
There were minimal resources. They had to share or perish

Resources are always limited, moron. The market is a far more efficient and effective way to allocate them than some idiot bureaucrats making decisions arbitrarily. That's what the example of the USSR should have taught even the dumbest among us.