How about some examples of this “socialism” stuff y’all are afraid of?

[boedicca]

 

[g5000]

So we have just learned that Communist China isn't communist. But our public schools make us Venezuela.

These tards are positively schizophrenic! How DO their heads not explode?

If it wasn't for misstating what other forum members post, what would you have to criticize?

You plainly said Communist China isn't communist.

I then asked you to name the parties which run China and you dodged.

So my statements were entirely accurate.

 

[BrokeLoser]

How’s Venezuela socialism doing?

Bad . For many reasons . Mainly corruption.

How’s UAE socialism doing ?

American socialism programs seem to be doing great .

Haha...”UAE”...you mean that oil rich nation under dictatorship with 9 million people and no thirdworld wetbacks? That one?

What “American socialism programs” are doing great?
Our public education is a joke
Our healthcare system is a joke
Our pyramid scheme / social security is bankrupt
22 trillion has been spent on lowlife degenerates without improvement

Enlighten us Timmy...WTF could you be talking about?

 

[g5000]

Communist China's GDP has been growing at a faster clip than ours for a long time.

Thanks to guys like this:

 

[rightwinger]

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

Own land?
In Plymouth?
You could have any land you wanted.

Buy and sell your product? Who is going to buy it? Half the Pilgrims died of starvation

Pilgrims were not prepared for the environment they stumbled in to. Local Indians had to teach them how to survive

*cough*

The settlers who established themselves on the shores of New England all belonged to the more independent classes of their native country. Their union on the soil of America at once presented the singular phenomenon of a society containing neither lords nor common people, and we may almost say neither rich nor poor. These men possessed, in proportion to their number, a greater mass of intelligence than is to be found in any European nation of our own time All, perhaps without a single exception, had received a good education, and many of them were known in Europe for their talents and their acquirements. The other colonies had been founded by adventurers without families; the immigrants of New England brought with them the best elements of order and morality; they landed on the desert coast accompanied by their wives and children. But what especially distinguished them from all others was the aim of their undertaking. They had not been obliged by necessity to leave their country; the social position they abandoned was one to be regretted, and their means of subsistence were certain. Nor did they cross the Atlantic to improve their situation or to increase their wealth; it was a purely intellectual craving that called them from the comforts of their former homes; and in facing the inevitable . sufferings of exile their object was the triumph of an idea.

The immigrants, or, as they deservedly styled themselves, the Pilgrims, belonged to that English sect the austerity of whose principles had acquired for them the name of Puritans. Puritanism was not merely a religious doctrine, but corresponded in many points with the most absolute democratic and republican theories. It was this tendency that had aroused its most dangerous adversaries. Persecuted by the government of the mother country, and disgusted by the habits of a society which the rigor of their own principles condemned, the Puritans went forth to seek some rude and unfrequented part of the world where they could live according to their own opinions and worship God in freedom.

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 2


The people who settled in the South, however, were of a different and much uglier breed...

Zxzzzzzz.......tl:dr

Only half the settlers were Pilgrims and half died the first year

They landed in Plymouth instead of NY like they planed. They also landed in November , not the most pleasant weather in New England

Capitalism was not going to save them

the bottom line is that you're a fucking moron. Socialism is what caused them to starve. Socialism and starvation go together like peas in a pod.

So your solution to starvation in a hostile environment is capitalism?

No wonder the FBI is investigating you

 

[rightwinger]

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

Own land?
In Plymouth?
You could have any land you wanted.

Buy and sell your product? Who is going to buy it? Half the Pilgrims died of starvation

Pilgrims were not prepared for the environment they stumbled in to. Local Indians had to teach them how to survive

You're an idiot. The Pilgrims starved when they ran the colony like a commune. When they allowed them to grow their own crops and do what they liked with them, the output of the colony increased by many orders of magnitude.

You slept through American History didn’t you Finger Boy?

The Pilgrims were clueless on how to grow crops. The Indians had to save their asses

ROFL! What you learned is propaganda, not history.

I visited Plymouth last summer

Let me guess......You have been getting your history from Rush Limbaugh

 

[Mac1958]

The current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism.

I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.
.

 

[Leo123]

I visited Plymouth last summer

Let me guess......You have been getting your history from Rush Limbaugh

More vacation stories....

 

[BrokeLoser]

The current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism.

I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.
.

The Right sees right past the bullshit. Begging Lefties bust their asses trying desperately to repackage socialism....Their current spin is silly...they’re calling it “elements of socialism”.

 

[boedicca]

The Pilgrims had no choice but to commune their resources

There was no free market

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

Own land?
In Plymouth?
You could have any land you wanted.

Buy and sell your product? Who is going to buy it? Half the Pilgrims died of starvation

Pilgrims were not prepared for the environment they stumbled in to. Local Indians had to teach them how to survive

You're an idiot. The Pilgrims starved when they ran the colony like a commune. When they allowed them to grow their own crops and do what they liked with them, the output of the colony increased by many orders of magnitude.

You slept through American History didn’t you Finger Boy?

The Pilgrims were clueless on how to grow crops. The Indians had to save their asses

The Pilgrims were undercapitalized and had a debt to the company that financed them. They landed in Plymouth in December - rather late to plant crops, bub. Half of the original Pilgrims died during that winter and most of the rest were sick. They had a pretty disastrous launch of their settlement.

Later, when new settlers arrived, they were able to organize to not only plant crops but to engage in trade.

 

[Mac1958]

The current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism. I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.

The Right sees right past the bullshit. Begging Lefties bust their asses trying desperately to repackage socialism....Their current spin is silly...they’re calling it “elements of socialism”.

See?


.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism. I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.

The Right sees right past the bullshit. Begging Lefties bust their asses trying desperately to repackage socialism....Their current spin is silly...they’re calling it “elements of socialism”.

See?


.

Mac...you beggars have totally fucked yourselves…You can’t have all the Thirdworlders your bleeding hearts desire and a plethora of free shit… It just doesn’t work like that.

 

[Leo123]

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

Own land?
In Plymouth?
You could have any land you wanted.

Buy and sell your product? Who is going to buy it? Half the Pilgrims died of starvation

Pilgrims were not prepared for the environment they stumbled in to. Local Indians had to teach them how to survive

You're an idiot. The Pilgrims starved when they ran the colony like a commune. When they allowed them to grow their own crops and do what they liked with them, the output of the colony increased by many orders of magnitude.

You slept through American History didn’t you Finger Boy?

The Pilgrims were clueless on how to grow crops. The Indians had to save their asses

ROFL! What you learned is propaganda, not history.

I visited Plymouth last summer

Let me guess......You have been getting your history from Rush Limbaugh

No moron, from actually studying history.

"As William Bradford recorded in his Of Plymouth Plantation, a people who had formerly been known for their virtue and hard work became lazy and unproductive. Resources were squandered, vegetables were allowed to rot on the ground and mass starvation was the result. And where there is starvation, there is plague. After 2 1/2 years, the leaders of the colony decided to abandon their socialist mandate and create a system which honored private property. The colony survived and thrived and the abundance which resulted was what was celebrated at that iconic Thanksgiving feast."

Occupy Plymouth Colony: How A Failed Commune Led To Thanksgiving

 

[bripat9643]

Communist China's GDP has been growing at a faster clip than ours for a long time.

Thanks to guys like this:

It's not communist, and it steals all of our technology.

 

[bripat9643]

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

Own land?
In Plymouth?
You could have any land you wanted.

Buy and sell your product? Who is going to buy it? Half the Pilgrims died of starvation

Pilgrims were not prepared for the environment they stumbled in to. Local Indians had to teach them how to survive

You're an idiot. The Pilgrims starved when they ran the colony like a commune. When they allowed them to grow their own crops and do what they liked with them, the output of the colony increased by many orders of magnitude.

You slept through American History didn’t you Finger Boy?

The Pilgrims were clueless on how to grow crops. The Indians had to save their asses

ROFL! What you learned is propaganda, not history.

I visited Plymouth last summer

Let me guess......You have been getting your history from Rush Limbaugh

I'll bet you believe that means you know how it was ran. You don't. You're a fucking moron. You know what you commie government school teachers taught in elementary school, and not one iota more.

 

[bripat9643]

Not true....Just like today, you own land, you create a product and sell or trade it for products someone else creates that you need. The part you missed is the private ownership of land (means of production) by individuals. If individuals own no land and are forced to produce without making an individual profit, everyone suffers.

Own land?
In Plymouth?
You could have any land you wanted.

Buy and sell your product? Who is going to buy it? Half the Pilgrims died of starvation

Pilgrims were not prepared for the environment they stumbled in to. Local Indians had to teach them how to survive

*cough*

The settlers who established themselves on the shores of New England all belonged to the more independent classes of their native country. Their union on the soil of America at once presented the singular phenomenon of a society containing neither lords nor common people, and we may almost say neither rich nor poor. These men possessed, in proportion to their number, a greater mass of intelligence than is to be found in any European nation of our own time All, perhaps without a single exception, had received a good education, and many of them were known in Europe for their talents and their acquirements. The other colonies had been founded by adventurers without families; the immigrants of New England brought with them the best elements of order and morality; they landed on the desert coast accompanied by their wives and children. But what especially distinguished them from all others was the aim of their undertaking. They had not been obliged by necessity to leave their country; the social position they abandoned was one to be regretted, and their means of subsistence were certain. Nor did they cross the Atlantic to improve their situation or to increase their wealth; it was a purely intellectual craving that called them from the comforts of their former homes; and in facing the inevitable . sufferings of exile their object was the triumph of an idea.

The immigrants, or, as they deservedly styled themselves, the Pilgrims, belonged to that English sect the austerity of whose principles had acquired for them the name of Puritans. Puritanism was not merely a religious doctrine, but corresponded in many points with the most absolute democratic and republican theories. It was this tendency that had aroused its most dangerous adversaries. Persecuted by the government of the mother country, and disgusted by the habits of a society which the rigor of their own principles condemned, the Puritans went forth to seek some rude and unfrequented part of the world where they could live according to their own opinions and worship God in freedom.

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 2


The people who settled in the South, however, were of a different and much uglier breed...

Zxzzzzzz.......tl:dr

Only half the settlers were Pilgrims and half died the first year

They landed in Plymouth instead of NY like they planed. They also landed in November , not the most pleasant weather in New England

Capitalism was not going to save them

the bottom line is that you're a fucking moron. Socialism is what caused them to starve. Socialism and starvation go together like peas in a pod.

So your solution to starvation in a hostile environment is capitalism?

No wonder the FBI is investigating you

Yes, that is the solution for all economic problems: get the government the fuck out of the way.

 

[g5000]

Communist China's GDP has been growing at a faster clip than ours for a long time.

Thanks to guys like this:

It's not communist, and it steals all of our technology.

What are the names of all the political parties in China?

 

[g5000]

It's weird how pseudocons can't answer a direct question...

 

[bripat9643]

The current incarnation of the Right doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a difference between elements of socialism and total socialism.

I don't know why. I definitely have my guesses, though.
.

No one said we had total socialism, shit for brains.

 

[bripat9643]

Communist China's GDP has been growing at a faster clip than ours for a long time.

Thanks to guys like this:

It's not communist, and it steals all of our technology.

What are the names of all the political parties in China?

I'm not playing your infantile games, moron.