How are DEMOCRATS going to convince voters that it's a BAD THING they are keeping more of their $$$?

[Thinker101]

Are your healthcare premiums are more than 10% of your AGI?

I'm from the age bracket that has the lowest healthcare costs.

Then I'm guessing you couldn't deduct healthcare premiums before. Imagine that, no change.

 

[radical right]

I'm from the age bracket that has the lowest healthcare costs.

Then I'm guessing you couldn't deduct healthcare premiums before. Imagine that, no change.

I have really low health insurance costs. I can afford my healthcare premiums going up 10%. I'm wondering how many others can say that. And right before the 2018 elections.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Republicans think the middle class is so poor and desperate that they can toss a couple of dollars to hard working Americans and expect those Americans to be so grateful over those couple of dollars they won't even question the cost of their healthcare skyrocketing.
And when the Middle Class acts insulted they could be bought for so little, Republicans become angry at the "ingrates". How dare them. After we gave them a couple of dollars. We could have given them nothing.

Umm, Isn't your base those getting welfare?

 

[Markle]

Obama renewed and made permanent the Bush tax cuts. So blame your tax increase on something else.

As you know, taxes skyrocketed under the reign of petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama. These taxes contributed to the slowest recovery from a recession in history.

Of this, you are proud.

 

[Markle]

You blamed Obama for your taxes going up. You should have thanked Obama because your income kept going up.

Where?

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats will lie, like every election.

When you are thinking about trump, seeing his curly hair and lying lips it must be really, really hard for you to substitute "Democrats" for "Republicons" unless of course you are being paid to do so.

p.s. if you do not report this to the IRS they will get you;

Let me help you with this.
"Republicons will lie, like every election"

Now you can tell your friends that you didn't post this even though you totally agree with it

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^^^ complex partial seizure? Low blood sugar?

 

[JQPublic1]

Tax cuts in and of themselves aren't "good" or "bad". Its what they do to the economy and who benefits that makes them so.

Me? I think it's wrong to give permanent tax cuts to the corporations and the wealthy, while only giving temporary ones to everyone else.

Kinda reminds me when Jr. gave the rich a whole bunch of tax cuts, while the rest of us got a 300.00 check.

Obviuosly you've delved deeper into this tax cut sham than most if the ignorant posters
here. They weren't aware that people making less than 75 grand a year are getting temporary tax cuts. But the scam doesn't end there. The elimination of deductions for mortgage payments is going to take a chunk of that temp tax cut. And for renters ...your landlord can't deduct his mortgages on rental property either. So unless a conglomerate or corporation owns the rental property an individual landlord will raise the rent to make up the difference.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Republicans think the middle class is so poor and desperate that they can toss a couple of dollars to hard working Americans and expect those Americans to be so grateful over those couple of dollars they won't even question the cost of their healthcare skyrocketing.
And when the Middle Class acts insulted they could be bought for so little, Republicans become angry at the "ingrates". How dare them. After we gave them a couple of dollars. We could have given them nothing.

Nothing is what Obama gave them for 8 years.

And liberals apparently think so little of the middle class that they force Obamacare on them and force a penalty tax on them, as 80% of people on Obamacare are making under 50 grand a year. That means the liberals talk out of both sides of their mouths. They bitch and moan about a lack of tax breaks for the poor, but then they will overwhelmingly vote to penalize the poor whenever they don't pay for health care they don't want or need with a penalty tax.

Liberals are the scum of the earth and its being exposed daily.

 

[Thinker101]

Tax cuts in and of themselves aren't "good" or "bad". Its what they do to the economy and who benefits that makes them so.

Me? I think it's wrong to give permanent tax cuts to the corporations and the wealthy, while only giving temporary ones to everyone else.

Kinda reminds me when Jr. gave the rich a whole bunch of tax cuts, while the rest of us got a 300.00 check.

Obviuosly you've delved deeper into this tax cut sham than most if the ignorant posters
here. They weren't aware that people making less than 75 grand a year are getting temporary tax cuts. But the scam doesn't end there. The elimination of deductions for mortgage payments is going to take a chunk of that temp tax cut. And for renters ...your landlord can't deduct his mortgages on rental property either. So unless a conglomerate or corporation owns the rental property an individual landlord will raise the rent to make up the difference.

Speaking of ignorant posters, you do realize the mortgage deduction is not being eliminated, it's being capped on mortgages over $750,000.

 

[danielpalos]

Tax cuts in and of themselves aren't "good" or "bad". Its what they do to the economy and who benefits that makes them so.

Me? I think it's wrong to give permanent tax cuts to the corporations and the wealthy, while only giving temporary ones to everyone else.

Kinda reminds me when Jr. gave the rich a whole bunch of tax cuts, while the rest of us got a 300.00 check.

Obviuosly you've delved deeper into this tax cut sham than most if the ignorant posters
here. They weren't aware that people making less than 75 grand a year are getting temporary tax cuts. But the scam doesn't end there. The elimination of deductions for mortgage payments is going to take a chunk of that temp tax cut. And for renters ...your landlord can't deduct his mortgages on rental property either. So unless a conglomerate or corporation owns the rental property an individual landlord will raise the rent to make up the difference.

The right wing likes to blame Labor for price inflation.

 

[bripat9643]

We pissed and moaned with Obama, libs are pissing and moaning with Trump. I'm talking about Trumps term, not just this year.

Even Steve Bannon gives that a 30% chance.

Why am I not surprised...that doesn't make any fricken sense.

The odds of Trump lasting as long as Obama is virtually zero.

That's what idiots like said about his chances of winning the election.

 

[ColonelAngus]

It’s funny to hear predictions from prognosticators who claimed HIllary was going to win 40 States.

Not everyone in America is stupid enough to be fooled by her corruption and lies....only 65million Americans are that stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

Republicans think the middle class is so poor and desperate that they can toss a couple of dollars to hard working Americans and expect those Americans to be so grateful over those couple of dollars they won't even question the cost of their healthcare skyrocketing.
And when the Middle Class acts insulted they could be bought for so little, Republicans become angry at the "ingrates". How dare them. After we gave them a couple of dollars. We could have given them nothing.

What does the cost of healthcare have to do with tax cuts? You can blame Obama for the staggering increases in the cost of healthcare. That's totally his baby.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Republicans think the middle class is so poor and desperate that they can toss a couple of dollars to hard working Americans and expect those Americans to be so grateful over those couple of dollars they won't even question the cost of their healthcare skyrocketing.
And when the Middle Class acts insulted they could be bought for so little, Republicans become angry at the "ingrates". How dare them. After we gave them a couple of dollars. We could have given them nothing.

What does the cost of healthcare have to do with tax cuts? You can blame Obama for the staggering increases in the cost of healthcare. That's totally his baby.

These indicts argue themselves in circles.

 

[busybee01]

How do they sell to people that it's BAD for them to have more money in their paychecks and bank accounts?

It's seems like a tough sell that its immoral to keep more of the money that YOU earn.

WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERLY AND THE CHILDREN?! That seems about all they will have.

They will try to convince people that their increase in pay, "REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH" or something close to that nonsense.

The fact is that the bill favors the rich and corporations. What this bill does is raise taxes on some groups to cut taxes on others. Even Ben Stein calls this a mess and he brags about having never voted for a Democrat.

If we were talking about just the rate cuts on higher income people, that would be no problem. However the rich kept loopholes and got new ones. The carried interest deduction was retained even though Trump said he would get rid of it. The pass through provision is ripe for abuse. Then you had the late provision that extended the pass through provision to real estate trusts. One that benefits Paul Ryan, Donald Trump and Bob Corker who changed his vote from no to yes.

Business tax reform should be simple. Take away business tax breaks and use it to lower rates, However Republicans did not do this. They used a bait and switch to take money from individuals and use it for corporate tax cuts. The standard deduction is not raised for inflation as it currently is. That means it loses value each year due to inflation. Also the brackets are indexed to chained inflation which is less than the CPI. That means that people will be pushed into higher tax brackets.
The reason the mandate was repealed was because it gave them more money to give to businesses. That will mean that some people will be priced out of the market.

 

[busybee01]

Republicans think the middle class is so poor and desperate that they can toss a couple of dollars to hard working Americans and expect those Americans to be so grateful over those couple of dollars they won't even question the cost of their healthcare skyrocketing.
And when the Middle Class acts insulted they could be bought for so little, Republicans become angry at the "ingrates". How dare them. After we gave them a couple of dollars. We could have given them nothing.

What does the cost of healthcare have to do with tax cuts? You can blame Obama for the staggering increases in the cost of healthcare. That's totally his baby.

Repealing the mandate means that healthy people will try to freeload. That means premiums will go higher and people who do not get subsidies will see premiums rise. The premium increases that have occurred since Trump took over belong to Republicans. They have made no secret that they want to cause Obamacare to implode and have done everything they can to cause that.

 

[theHawk]

How do they sell to people that it's BAD for them to have more money in their paychecks and bank accounts?

It's seems like a tough sell that its immoral to keep more of the money that YOU earn.

WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERLY AND THE CHILDREN?! That seems about all they will have.

They will try to convince people that their increase in pay, "REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH" or something close to that nonsense.

Maybe they can start a campaign to make people feel guilty for the wealth they own. They’ve done such a good job making white liberals feel guilty about being white. They’ll probably bring up how poor Jesus was, I’ve seen them do that before.

 

[rightwinger]

It will be interesting to see how Republicans sell the impact of the tax cuts for the middle class

They are already telling people to check their pay checks and see the difference

But if people are seeing their taxes lower but health insurance higher, they will take it out on Republicans if their overall pay is less

 

[NYcarbineer]

How do they sell to people that it's BAD for them to have more money in their paychecks and bank accounts?

It's seems like a tough sell that its immoral to keep more of the money that YOU earn.

WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERLY AND THE CHILDREN?! That seems about all they will have.

They will try to convince people that their increase in pay, "REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH" or something close to that nonsense.

Maybe the Democrats will just make the arguments they made to win the 2006 wave election, after Bush's multiple tax cuts,
or to win the presidency in 2008.

Or to win a Senate seat in ultra-conservative Alabama, lol.

 

[bripat9643]

It will be interesting to see how Republicans sell the impact of the tax cuts for the middle class

They are already telling people to check their pay checks and see the difference

But if people are seeing their taxes lower but health insurance higher, they will take it out on Republicans if their overall pay is less

Health insurance has nothing to do with tax policy, moron, and Democrats are currently entirely responsible for the cost of healthcare. They will be even more responsible when the obstruct Trump from doing anything about it.