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More like a Ponzi scheme. Thanks to Democrats for that one.
When you can show me the deduction in your paycheck for bailing out the banks in your name, let me know.
It's those evil rich people that bailed out the banks because it was their money used to do it. You can send them a Thank You note later.
Bullshit. The rest of us bailed out the banks while we were stuck with underwater mortgages... then they turned around and screwed the lot of us to pay what little of it they paid back.
The banks paid all that money back....at a HUGE profit to the Treasury.
Um, no, stupid. The banks didn't pay that back. The people they SCREWED with higher interests rates and foreclosures paid it back.
Another Battered Housewife Republican.
Very few would "need" it if not for the Democrat party promoting irresponsibility on a consistent basis. Yeah, it's means tested alright. It's been proven to encourage people to do the same which is have kids they could never support.
Again, nobody has babies to get a big welfare check.. I do find it funny that you guys are pro-baby up until the point they are born.
Joe, if we took every lowlife out of this country, put them on an island somewhere, not only would they never be missed, but the country would be doing much better. If we took all the wealthy in the US and put them on an island somewhere, the country collapses.
Uh, guy, usually countries collapse because the rich are too greedy, and you have a happy day when the rest of us get fed up with them, take them out and shoot them.
What the Democrats are very good at are saving the rich from themselves. Otherwise, we'd have taken all the bastards out in the 1930's and shot them and been better off for it.
That's because all those big buildings you see downtown were built by rich people. All those industrial and housing developments were funded by rich people. Nearly all our income tax collections come from rich people. This country cannot survive without them.
Sure we can... We just need to direct the wealth differently Those big buildings don't do me a bit of good. What I noticed that when I visited your blighted city was the only new buildings belonged to the banks. The rest were old rotting structures of death..
If you go in your backyard and dig a hole, then fill it up again, then dig another hole, and fill that back up again, you didn't earn ten cents. Now if you do the same for an employer, that's when you make money because somebody took the risk to create such a job for you. It's something you would never (or couldn't) do for yourself.
Again, you're confused. Rich people doesn't create jobs, consumer demand does. Or as a VERY VERY VERY wise man said.
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Banks don't profit from foreclosures. They lose money on each and every one.
Yet they insisted on doing them... and charging people late fees, jacking up interest rates, and all the other shit they did to fuck over the taxpayers who just bailed them out.
And guys like you bent over, spread your cheeks and said, 'May I have another?"
Right, it's just a coincidence that every woman I see using food stamps has two or three kids with her. What do they do, rent these kids?
No, they had them, which is their right. But most people on food stamps are only on them for a couple of years. Did they have the baby when ten years ago knowing they'd need food stamps now?
It's not that we are pro-baby so much, it's we are anti-killing babies. Big difference. What we are pro about is personal responsibility and to limit government services only to those that found themselves in a bad situation even though they were responsible people.
That's kind of a subjective measure, isn't it? I could argue you aren't a responsible person because someone cancelled your health insurance, but if you got into a car accident tomorrow, the rest of us will end up paying for your stay in a hospital. You could have done a half dozen things to actually get insurance, but someone how I don't think if you were involved in that accident, you'd say, "Just let me die, Doc! I deserve it!"
Correct, because then YOU would be paying all that income tax that they are currently paying today. You would have to figure out how to make money with no businesses to give you a job. You would have to support all those people who use charities that the wealthy contribute money to.
If we had fairer distribution of wealth, I wouldn't mind paying more in income tax.
Oh, once again, I'm self employed... so no, i do just fine, thanks.
If consumers demand something, a person with money needs to open up a business to create the products or service of such demand. If there is a lot of demand, then they have to become multi-billion dollar corporations to make those products for millions of people.
No, they don't. IN fact, multi-billion dollar corporations are kind of a new thing. Most of history, we got on just fine without them.
Do you really think you'd have a computer to communicate today or the internet that allows you to talk to people all over the world from your dining room without rich people? Better think again. Without the rich, you wouldn't have half the things you have today.
Um, guy, the internet was started by the government, not rich people.
“To take from one,....”
-Thomas Jefferson
Again, this was the same Thomas Jefferson who raped Sally Hemings on a daily basis because he owned her, and when he died, he sold off all his slaves to pay his debts.
Maybe when extolling the virtues of capitalism, you can find someone who didn't benefit from the ENSLAVEMENT of other human beings?
Fuck old Tommy. Once we burn down all the confederate monuments, he's next.
Hahhahah, Libs! “Well it’s different now, so we don’t need the EC”. You guys are all so myopic. What you magically fail to recognize is that the EC is doing today what it was designed to do over 200 years ago. And Libs hate it.......which is just another bonus. You can’t change it either, that is the beautiful irony of it all.
Yet they insisted on doing them...
Yeah, when people stop paying their mortgages, banks insist on foreclosing.
Keep hope alive!House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.
Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.
Hahhahah, Libs! “Well it’s different now, so we don’t need the EC”. You guys are all so myopic. What you magically fail to recognize is that the EC is doing today what it was designed to do over 200 years ago. And Libs hate it.......which is just another bonus. You can’t change it either, that is the beautiful irony of it all.
It's purpose was to give us complete shitheads like Bush and Trump the people didn't want? This is a good thing by you?
Or do you just admit your ideas all suck donkey balls and if we ever voted on them, you'd lose?
Yet they insisted on doing them... and charging people late fees, jacking up interest rates, and all the other shit they did to fuck over the taxpayers who just bailed them out.
And guys like you bent over, spread your cheeks and said, 'May I have another?"
No, they had them, which is their right. But most people on food stamps are only on them for a couple of years. Did they have the baby when ten years ago knowing they'd need food stamps now?
That's kind of a subjective measure, isn't it? I could argue you aren't a responsible person because someone cancelled your health insurance, but if you got into a car accident tomorrow, the rest of us will end up paying for your stay in a hospital. You could have done a half dozen things to actually get insurance, but someone how I don't think if you were involved in that accident, you'd say, "Just let me die, Doc! I deserve it!"
If we had fairer distribution of wealth, I wouldn't mind paying more in income tax.
Oh, once again, I'm self employed... so no, i do just fine, thanks.
No, they don't. IN fact, multi-billion dollar corporations are kind of a new thing. Most of history, we got on just fine without them.
Um, guy, the internet was started by the government, not rich people.
Again, this was the same Thomas Jefferson who raped Sally Hemings on a daily basis because he owned her, and when he died, he sold off all his slaves to pay his debts.
Maybe when extolling the virtues of capitalism, you can find someone who didn't benefit from the ENSLAVEMENT of other human beings?
Fuck old Tommy. Once we burn down all the confederate monuments, he's next.
Yet they insisted on doing them...
Yeah, when people stop paying their mortgages, banks insist on foreclosing.
again, another battered housewife Republican making excuses for his abusers.
It's purpose was so that places like NYC didn't pick the President for the entire country. I
It's why every state has two Senators regardless how big or how small the population is.
The only thing you have against the Electoral College is that you are now losing elections using this system. If the Democrats always won by the EC, we wouldn't hear a peep out of you guys because you don't care about fairness or why we have this system. All you care about is winning no matter how much you have to cheat to do it.
No, most conservatives were against the bailouts. However since government caused the problem (like the federal government always does) they did bear some responsibility to help out.
In case you were hoping to overcome your OCD and get some sleep tonight, read this:
Government caused my problem. You are too dense to understand that. You'd walk in front of a moving bus if you thought it would save your big-eared commie. I did do the responsible thing, but because people in my income level are not helped by Commie Care, we got screwed. But I know you believe that I had employer healthcare my entire life, and it was just coincidence me and millions like me lost that coverage when Satan invoked his plan on the country.
Did you stop paying your mortgage? Sorry bud.
Did you stop paying your mortgage? Sorry bud.
No, but my bank still found ways to screw me. "Ooops, we left your payment sitting on our desk for a week, here's a late fee."
Population of New York City in 1787 was 25,000... There was no way they were going to pick the president.
Which is stupid, but has nothing to do with the electoral college ignoring the will of the people and selecting clowns the people didn't want.
Um, yeah, guy, I care that you guys put in presidents the people didn't want, and that they turn out to be fucking incompetent. The people got it right in 2000 and 2016, the EC got it so terribly wrong.
again, the banks did this by ripping off their customers, who didn't get bailouts on their underwater mortgages and busted 401K's...
So it was the government's fault that the banks got greedy when Bush stopped keeping an eye on them?
Or are you going to start babbling about how Jimmy Carter let poor people guy houses again?
You are the only person whose told me he's lost his health care because of the ACA, and frankly, I don't find your story credible. I know of a lot of people who didn't get health care through their employers who got it through ACA. My guess, if you couldn't get it through the ACA, it was probably because you gave the facilitator a lot of attitude like you have here... and she probably figured she had people who actually wanted help to deal with.
One day of surfing Indeed, I found five companies that offer health care to drivers... I was able to find affordable health care for my business pretty easily.
I was just giving an example. Do you really think the founders thought our nation would not grow? Do you believe that they wouldn't form cities and states?
They didn't want any particular one group of people to have the power to select a President. By using the EC, it gave everybody across the country a dog in the race.
Only because you lost the EC. If you had won, you wouldn't give a rats ass about it.
What I'm saying is that Fanny and Freddy make the loan requirements that banks have to follow. Zero down and no credit check was what they decided on under the Clinton administration. If you want to make loans and sell them off in the market, you do it F and F's way.
The lie is in the title: The Affordable Healthcare Act. There is nothing affordable about it unless you are a french fry maker or sweep floors at Walmart. Evil large companies did keep their healthcare plans, but smaller companies were forced to drop them, and they never reinstated that benefit.
I can't work for any large company because of the restrictions I have by the federal government.
Did you stop paying your mortgage? Sorry bud.
No, but my bank still found ways to screw me. "Ooops, we left your payment sitting on our desk for a week, here's a late fee."
I was just giving an example. Do you really think the founders thought our nation would not grow? Do you believe that they wouldn't form cities and states?
They didn't want any particular one group of people to have the power to select a President. By using the EC, it gave everybody across the country a dog in the race.
Bullshit. They did the electoral college because they were a bunch of slave-raping assholes who didn't trust the people and wanted power to stay in the hands of elites...
Only because you lost the EC. If you had won, you wouldn't give a rats ass about it.
You don't see me bitching about any president who legitimately won the popular vote.
What I'm saying is that Fanny and Freddy make the loan requirements that banks have to follow. Zero down and no credit check was what they decided on under the Clinton administration. If you want to make loans and sell them off in the market, you do it F and F's way.
You must be on drugs. I got a mortgage in 2004, and frankly, they massively checked out every debt I ever had. I know it absolutely HORRIFIES you that poor people couldn't be discriminated against if they had good credit histories and jobs... but the crisis was middle class white assholes buying overpriced McMansions and trying to flip them for a profit. They created a bubble and bubbles pop.
In fact, of the top 25 banks that FAILED, only one made CRA loans.
The CRA wasn't the problem here. The banks were.
The lie is in the title: The Affordable Healthcare Act. There is nothing affordable about it unless you are a french fry maker or sweep floors at Walmart. Evil large companies did keep their healthcare plans, but smaller companies were forced to drop them, and they never reinstated that benefit.
Again, I suspect you didn't look very hard. I got a darned good plan for my little company that employees one middle-aged overweight guy. And I didn't even have to apply for ACA programs.
I can't work for any large company because of the restrictions I have by the federal government.
So again- you really don't qualify for your job anymore, you work for a bottem feeder who doesn't care about safety, and you didn't bother to get any other job skills in life... Got it.
You must be on drugs. I got a mortgage in 2004, and frankly, they massively checked out every debt I ever had. I know it absolutely HORRIFIES you that poor people couldn't be discriminated against if they had good credit histories and jobs... but the crisis was middle class white assholes buying overpriced McMansions and trying to flip them for a profit. They created a bubble and bubbles pop.
In fact, of the top 25 banks that FAILED, only one made CRA loans.
The CRA wasn't the problem here. The banks were.
Again, I suspect you didn't look very hard. I got a darned good plan for my little company that employees one middle-aged overweight guy. And I didn't even have to apply for ACA programs.
So again- you really don't qualify for your job anymore, you work for a bottem feeder who doesn't care about safety, and you didn't bother to get any other job skills in life... Got it.
Utter horseshit.Tell you what cut spending and just take away all expenditures for everyone for three years and let's reevaluate.
Start with my tenants since I would have to drastically increase their rent.
And?
And ask them if the elimination of all tax expenditures was such a good idea.
Or when you pay more for goods.
Or when you pay more for services.
You see.......if you eliminate deductions, those losses eventually gets passed down to us. WE pay them, not the wealthy.
Ray, whom do you suppose has , by far almost all of the tax expenditures? Quick hint it sure as hell ain't the middle class
As a matter of fact they just eliminated them for most of us.
Yes, they do have the most expenditures; much of which they pay.
People think that when I pay a bill for $3,000, that means I get to take $3,000 from what I owe the government. That's not the way it works. What it means is that I still pay the 3K, it's just that I don't have to pay taxes on that money when I earned it.
If you tax the rich more, get rid of deductions, create new regulations that cost them money, they simply pass it down to us and we end up paying it.
It was about far more than getting minorities to buy homes. Way more. Your head has been stuffed full of shit.You must be on drugs. I got a mortgage in 2004, and frankly, they massively checked out every debt I ever had. I know it absolutely HORRIFIES you that poor people couldn't be discriminated against if they had good credit histories and jobs... but the crisis was middle class white assholes buying overpriced McMansions and trying to flip them for a profit. They created a bubble and bubbles pop.
In fact, of the top 25 banks that FAILED, only one made CRA loans.
The CRA wasn't the problem here. The banks were.
The problem is you don't know the difference between the CRA and the lowering of standards to get more minorities to buy homes.
At a HUGE loss to investors.Hey, I want all the money back I paid to the bailouts for the big banks.
The banks paid all that money back....at a HUGE profit to the Treasury.
The originators of those toxic loans didn't lose money on them. They passed them up the food chain to investors before the ink was even dry.Banks don't profit from foreclosures. They lose money on each and every one.
