How did we get here?

[Votto]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I submit they did.

Again, they talked about him 24/7, and they still do. And they gave him years of press via his reality shows, etc. They knew about his political aspirations to be President long ago that persisted.

Like it or not, they wanted this.

 

[pknopp]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I submit they did.

Again, they talked about him 24/7, and they still do. And they gave him years of press via his reality shows, etc.

Like it or not, they wanted this.

We always want to blame someone else. We did not vote for Paul and hence he did not win.

 

[postman]

Tariffs are what protect a nations industries. If tariffs are so bad, then why does the EU use them against the US? Why does China use them against the US? Why is it you call it a “trade war” when President Trump enacts tariffs, but not when every other country uses them against us?

A trade war vs tariffs is the difference between a battle and a war.

 

[Votto]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I submit they did.

Again, they talked about him 24/7, and they still do. And they gave him years of press via his reality shows, etc.

Like it or not, they wanted this.

We always want to blame someone else. We did not vote for Paul and hence he did not win.

I merely point to how Ron was treated, even when doing well with the voting.

Ignoring a politician will end their career. There is no way around it and the media knows it.

Ron really believed in a limited government. The free hand outs and never ending wars were in jeopardy. But corporate globalism was threatened and he had to be extinguished.

At least he was not elected and had to go out JFK style.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?
View attachment 442185

1. I think you refer to "Medicare for all", not expanded SS.
2. Healthcare needs to be paid for, its not free. More and better jobs with healthcare is the answer.
3. IMHO Trump's new "populism" is here to stay, replacing "conservatism", which is another name for "protect the wealthy".
4. What does "open up and be more honest" even mean?? We will vote for the populist candidates over the socialist candidates. Simple.

1. No, I refer to expanded Social Security -- in other words, not austerity cuts but boosting benefits.....

2. Healthcare is paid for, it is not free....but health insurance is a parasitic unnecessary middle man that inflates costs for the purpose of a profit motive, period....ALSO, if Trump came out in favor of M4A -- Trumpers will instantly support it because that is what Trumpers always do....i.e $2000 stimulus checks that they initially called socialist...

3. Trump isn't a populist if his policies are not populist -- his policies are the same ole conservative policies...tax cuts for the rich or as you called it "protect the wealthy" -- Trump does as many other GOP politicians before him did (Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, etc) -- they manipulate and prey on the frustrations, fear and ignorance of their base and tell them the reason things are the way are is because of the "others" and other culture war BS...

4. Open up and be more honest means simply this.....instead of waiting until after it is clear a certain administration or candidate was a disaster -- say it when you see it....it's easy for folks to say "I always knew Bush was a moron, globalist, blah, blah, blah) -- there is a reason current day Trumpers claim to hate their last 4 presidential nominees, even tho policy wise, Trump has passed the same policies they did....


Since there aren't many digital receipts from the Bush years, lots of current day Trumpers pretend they were not equally onboard with Bush from 2000 to 2007 or so....that bothers me because I was old enough to remember the Bush years -- I remember being called a traitor and a terrorist because I didn't buy into the Saddam was behind 9/11, gung-ho Iraq war bullshit....I am old enough to remember people just going along with it just to avoid being called these things....

Then after the smoke clears and the dust settled -- now these same people want to rewrite history and pretend they knew all along it was BS....if only they were honest about it then

1. I support the democrat's "fix" for SS, as long as it is paid for.
That is more than the GOP put forward. Without a fix, SS is insolvent ~2030.

Democrats Push Plan to Increase Social Security Benefits and Solvency (Published 2019)

More than 200 members of Congress are supporting a bill that would increase payroll taxes to shore up Social Security and increase benefits for retirees.

www.nytimes.com

Someone also needs to fix Medicare, or it will be bankrupt in 2026.

2. The big question is, do you really want the government running your healthcare? My answer is NO. Just imagine "Lois Lerner" in-charge of your access to healthcare. Sorry, your access is denied, Mr. Republican.

3. Agree that the tax cuts were a bad idea, but the GOP always sucks for shekels. That said, Trump's tariffs are not "globalist", Trump's efforts to bring back manufacturing are not globalist. The pandemic showed how dependent we are on China for medical PPP among other necessities. Culture War? Like destroying statues of the Founding Fathers? Like "Critical Race Theory"? Like "defund the police"?

4. You missed the original binary choice.
Trump or Hillary
Biden or Trump
GOP or Kamala, etc.
I'm very old, and I can't remember a time when a choice wasn't a "lesser of the evils" choice. You need to hold your nose and vote for someone.

It is always the lesser of 2 evils -- but in the little exchange with had -- you seem to agree more with what Democrats are proposing than what Reps are...

From social security, to Medicare to tax cuts...

And what were the things you worry about -- "critical race theory" which most Trumpers don't even understand, and their supposed love for statues of Founding Fathers while ignoring the system of government those FF's created....and statues and "critical race theory" won't do shit to improve the material conditions of your life like Social Security and Medicare does

 

[postman]

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

The people didn't want Trump either. No matter how it was measured. 81 to 74, 306 to 232, 55% to 45%.

 

[pknopp]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I submit they did.

Again, they talked about him 24/7, and they still do. And they gave him years of press via his reality shows, etc.

Like it or not, they wanted this.

We always want to blame someone else. We did not vote for Paul and hence he did not win.

I merely point to how Ron was treated, even when doing well with the voting.

Ignoring a politician will end their career. There is no way around it and the media knows it.

Ron really believed in a limited government. The free hand outs and never ending wars were in jeopardy. But corporate globalism was threatened and he had to be extinguished.

At least he was not elected and had to go out JFK style.

Ron Paul never did well with the voters. I say this as someone who would have voted for him. Doing nothing is far better than doing the wrong thing.

 

[pknopp]

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

The people didn't want Trump either. No matter how it was measured. 81 to 74, 306 to 232, 55% to 45%.

Well that doesn't say much for Hillary.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I disagree -- the media wanted Trump in so far as the media gave Trump more free airtime than any candidate in history.....I remember the 20 to 30 minutes the media would focus their cameras on an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and say shit that they can feign outrage over...

The media just didn't think the country would dumb enough to vote Trump -- which is funny because it was the media who helped dumb those people down in the first place

 

[pknopp]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I disagree -- the media wanted Trump in so far as the media gave Trump more free airtime than any candidate in history.....I remember the 20 to 30 minutes the media would focus their cameras on an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and say shit that they can feign outrage over...

The media just didn't think the country would dumb enough to vote Trump -- which is funny because it was the media who helped dumb those people down in the first place

They gave him all kinds of air time. That doesn't mean they wanted him. They figured that covering the clown show would help Hillary. It didn't because she was that bad.

 

[kyzr]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?
View attachment 442185

1. I think you refer to "Medicare for all", not expanded SS.
2. Healthcare needs to be paid for, its not free. More and better jobs with healthcare is the answer.
3. IMHO Trump's new "populism" is here to stay, replacing "conservatism", which is another name for "protect the wealthy".
4. What does "open up and be more honest" even mean?? We will vote for the populist candidates over the socialist candidates. Simple.

Trump gave billions of taxpayers dollars to corporate farms. What do you call that? Free market capitalism?

Trump gave farmers aid because China retaliated for Trump's tariffs.
It was not a gift, it was making them whole due to China.

Capitalism or Socialism? If we give a corporation tax payer money to survive that is Capitalism but if we give a struggling waitress taxpayer money to survive that is Socialism?

(not that you will answer)

1. How many US jobs depend on struggling industries like the airline industry, restaurants, hotels, cruise lines, hospitals, states, etc.? What would happen if they all went bankrupt? The US economy would be crushed. Both corporations and individuals need stimulus help. The GOP just didn't want so much stimulus/unemployment money that workers would not go back to work.

2. Glad to answer:
Bad Socialism-1: The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Bad Socialism-2: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


Good Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

Bad Capitalism: The concentration or massing of capital in the hands of a few oligarchs; also, the power or influence of large or combined capital.

 

[Gdjjr]

policies matter....

Not really- I remember the first time I heard the politics of personality was during Obama's reign- looking back, beyond even Bush, I don't think the personality's were as involved, though I could be wrong, I don't think so- but, the results of where we are say differently-

There are, as usual, many angles involved in creating a prism- a prism breaks light angles depending on how it's turned at any given time.

There was one comment, early on, about Ike and JFK, that touched briefly on the sources (problems/issues) but then went off the rails accusing China and Iran for all our troubles- make a note here: our troubles. How can someone else be responsible for "our troubles"? That makes no sense- especially when considering that point a finger means 3 are pointing back at the pointer-

Policies should matter, but they don't- see the attached link for verification

An Invitation to Apologist and Defenders of the "current events"

With at least a tiny bit of specificity, explain, if you can, what it is you hope you gain by defending the fraud and apologizing for the MSM lies. Do you feel you'll be treated better? Will you get paid higher wages? Will you be more free to exercise your liberty? Do you feel being on the side...

www.usmessageboard.com

The reactions are not responses but deflections. There is NO mention of policies and the opportunity is an open invitation that NOT one has taken advantage of. Not. One.

Policy's are a moot point in our superficial society. Period. Constitutionally, the gov't's job is to secure our liberty, not restrict it- yet, policy, has brought about so many federal restrictions they can't be counted and it's estimated every adult breaks at least 3/day-

Selling those restrictions requires scripted rhetoric sold with a personality- up until this election we were in a pattern of 2 terms for one side, 2 terms for the other side- the personality's involved made great fodder for keeping the divisiveness front and center- front and center. Divisiveness. It's always been so- it ain't gonna change. It requires a personality to rob individuals and groups and make them feel good about it.

And not one, single solitary apologist has come forward to express their opinion on policy they believe will be enacted that will actually benefit them (or anyone else for that matter)- all they know is; Orange Man Bad- they've been listening to it from their betters for 4 years- that is the epitome of personality politics, to the extreme-

I've yet to hear a politician, since Ron Paul, even mention liberty, never mind securing it. Instead we get bullshit rhetoric about "democracy"- in a fucking republic, from even so-called educated mouth pieces- that ignorance transcends policy, although policy is what Public Education is all about- indoctrination through subtle, often blatant disregard for simple English, by actors (personality) spouting the same bullshit over and over and over and over and over, until the IMproperly educated in the first place accept it as correct- and act accordingly- STUPID. All because of a personality, not a policy.

 

[Votto]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I submit they did.

Again, they talked about him 24/7, and they still do. And they gave him years of press via his reality shows, etc.

Like it or not, they wanted this.

We always want to blame someone else. We did not vote for Paul and hence he did not win.

I merely point to how Ron was treated, even when doing well with the voting.

Ignoring a politician will end their career. There is no way around it and the media knows it.

Ron really believed in a limited government. The free hand outs and never ending wars were in jeopardy. But corporate globalism was threatened and he had to be extinguished.

At least he was not elected and had to go out JFK style.

Ron Paul never did well with the voters. I say this as someone who would have voted for him. Doing nothing is far better than doing the wrong thing.

From Wiki:

The 2008 presidential campaign of Ron Paul, Congressman of Texas, began in early 2007 when he announced his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for President of the United States. Initial opinion polls during the first three quarters of 2007 showed Paul consistently receiving support from 3% or less of those polled. In 2008, Paul's support among Republican voters remained in the single digits, and well behind front-runner John McCain.[1]

During the fourth quarter of 2007, Paul was the most successful Republican fundraiser, bringing in approximately $20 million.[2][3] He also received the most money from the armed services of any candidate in the fourth quarter.[4] His campaign set two fund-raising records: the largest single-day donation total among Republican candidates and twice receiving the most money received via the Internet in a single day by any presidential candidate in American history.[5] Paul's run for president is also noted for its grassroots social networking, facilitated by the Internet.[6] Paul's enthusiastic supporters were noted by the media, who called them "Paulites".[7][8] Paul received most of his contributions from individuals, at ninety-seven percent; compare to other candidates.[9]

As of February 5, 2008, Paul had won sixteen delegates to the Republican National Convention, placing him last among the four Republican candidates still in the race at that time.[10] The campaign projected on February 6 to have secured at least 42 delegates to the national convention.[11] On March 4, 2008, John McCain earned enough pledged delegates to become the Republican presumptive nominee, but Paul decided to continue his run.[12] Paul released The Revolution: A Manifesto on April 29, which collected essays based on thoughts that arose from his experiences running for president in 2008. The book went on to be a number 1 bestseller among political books on Amazon.com[13] and The New York Times nonfiction list.[14]

On June 30, 2007, in Des Moines, Iowa, Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance invited all Democratic Party candidates and all Republican presidential candidates except Paul to a presidential candidates forum. Six candidates appeared: Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, and Tom Tancredo.[25] In July, The New York Times wrote that Paul's "message draws on the noblest traditions of American decency and patriotism."[26]

In Missouri, some 145 "suspected" Paul supporters were barred from participating in the state selection process or from being delegates to the national convention by local GOP party leaders. That led to accusations of procedural violations on the part of state GOP leaders by Republican voters.[81][82]

In polling conducted at the Utah GOP convention on June 9, 2007, Paul placed second behind Mitt Romney.[92] Paul also placed second in the straw poll conducted at the National Taxpayers Union conference, following Fred Thompson.[93] Paul placed second, polling 17 percent, in a Cobb County GOP straw poll on July 4, 2007.[94]

Ron Paul was very popular, but the media would rather talk about no bodies like Huntsman who had virtually no support.

 

[Mac-7]

So why blame China as opposed to these businesses? We can also hammer them with taxes for taking jobs to China.

Dont think for a second that china is just the lucky recipient of all this love from the globalists

they use pressure in many ways including bribery to get their way

they steal our technology and then use it against us

their goal is not only to control the world economy but every aspect of human relations

they dream of empire and Americans who dont see that are delusional

and those that do see it but go along anyway are traitors

 

[pknopp]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?
View attachment 442185

1. I think you refer to "Medicare for all", not expanded SS.
2. Healthcare needs to be paid for, its not free. More and better jobs with healthcare is the answer.
3. IMHO Trump's new "populism" is here to stay, replacing "conservatism", which is another name for "protect the wealthy".
4. What does "open up and be more honest" even mean?? We will vote for the populist candidates over the socialist candidates. Simple.

Trump gave billions of taxpayers dollars to corporate farms. What do you call that? Free market capitalism?

Trump gave farmers aid because China retaliated for Trump's tariffs.
It was not a gift, it was making them whole due to China.

Capitalism or Socialism? If we give a corporation tax payer money to survive that is Capitalism but if we give a struggling waitress taxpayer money to survive that is Socialism?

(not that you will answer)

1. How many US jobs depend on struggling industries like the airline industry, restaurants, hotels, cruise lines, hospitals, states, etc.? What would happen if they all went bankrupt? The US economy would be crushed. Both corporations and individuals need stimulus help. The GOP just didn't want so much stimulus/unemployment money that workers would not go back to work.

2. Glad to answer:
Bad Socialism-1: The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Bad Socialism-2: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


Good Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

Bad Capitalism: The concentration or massing of capital in the hands of a few oligarchs; also, the power or influence of large or combined capital.

Argue for your brand of Socialism all you want. Just don't pretend it's anything but socialism.

 

[pknopp]

So why blame China as opposed to these businesses? We can also hammer them with taxes for taking jobs to China.

Dont think for a second that china is just the lucky recipient of all this love from the globalists

they use pressure in many ways including bribery to get their way

they steal our technology and then use it against us

their oal is not only to control the world economy but every aspect of human relations

they dream of empire and Americans who dont see that are delusional

and those that do see it but go along anyway are traitors

Steal.......we give our technology away to access the 1.5 billion person market.

Corporations call it "forced". They are not forced to do anything. They choose to do so.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I disagree -- the media wanted Trump in so far as the media gave Trump more free airtime than any candidate in history.....I remember the 20 to 30 minutes the media would focus their cameras on an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and say shit that they can feign outrage over...

The media just didn't think the country would dumb enough to vote Trump -- which is funny because it was the media who helped dumb those people down in the first place

They gave him all kinds of air time. That doesn't mean they wanted him. They figured that covering the clown show would help Hillary. It didn't because she was that bad.

No, they figured covering the clown show will get them eyeballs and they were right......

They also made sure to make a big deal of Hillary's emails and other made up scandals -- for the purposes of eye balls.....


Honestly, the media is insulated either way -- which is why they remain so dedicated to the bullshit "both sides do it" narrative....

It's harder to sell Viagra pills and reverse mortgages to 50% of people if you tell them they are the problem...

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

So why blame China as opposed to these businesses? We can also hammer them with taxes for taking jobs to China.

Dont think for a second that china is just the lucky recipient of all this love from the globalists

they use pressure in many ways including bribery to get their way

they steal our technology and then use it against us

their goal is not only to control the world economy but every aspect of human relations

they dream of empire and Americans who dont see that are delusional

and those that do see it but go along anyway are traitors

China wants to be an empire and be in control of the world economy just like we did and do.....

China just didn't have to fight as many foreign wars to reach that goal as we did and still do....

 

[pknopp]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I disagree -- the media wanted Trump in so far as the media gave Trump more free airtime than any candidate in history.....I remember the 20 to 30 minutes the media would focus their cameras on an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and say shit that they can feign outrage over...

The media just didn't think the country would dumb enough to vote Trump -- which is funny because it was the media who helped dumb those people down in the first place

They gave him all kinds of air time. That doesn't mean they wanted him. They figured that covering the clown show would help Hillary. It didn't because she was that bad.

No, they figured covering the clown show will get them eyeballs and they were right......

They also made sure to make a big deal of Hillary's emails and other made up scandals -- for the purposes of eye balls.....

It wasn't a made up scandal. It was an actual scandal.

Honestly, the media is insulated either way -- which is why they remain so dedicated to the bullshit "both sides do it" narrative....

It's harder to sell Viagra pills and reverse mortgages to 50% of people if you tell them they are the problem...

Are you arguing that the media shouldn't cover the lead candidate or scandals?

 

[Mac-7]

Steal.......we give our technology away to access the 1.5 billion person market.

That too

chinese law demands 50% chinese ownership of foreign companies in china

but that only covers the manufacturing process of finished products

china targets research and development in the US also

and yes some of that is given away but American academics who are bought and paid for by china

but the rest is simply stolen