How did we get here?

[Mac-7]

China wants to be an empire and be in control of the world economy just like we did and do.....

And to you thats ok?

you hate your country so much that now you are cheering for our enemies

 

[theHawk]

He enacted tariffs and walked away while China created new alliances around the world.

All he needed to do was enact tariffs. That’s how manufacturing jobs are protected, that’s how domestic manufacturing can compete with Chinese slave labor. Personally I hope we never make another trade deal with China unless it benefits our manufacturing sector. We should divorce ourselves from Communists that want to dominate the world.

Why would we care if other countries are buying cheap Chinese slave made shit? Their trade doesn’t hurt the US, it only hurts their own industries. The US should be leading by example. We should be moving away from dependence on China, not embracing more of it.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?
View attachment 442185

1. I think you refer to "Medicare for all", not expanded SS.
2. Healthcare needs to be paid for, its not free. More and better jobs with healthcare is the answer.
3. IMHO Trump's new "populism" is here to stay, replacing "conservatism", which is another name for "protect the wealthy".
4. What does "open up and be more honest" even mean?? We will vote for the populist candidates over the socialist candidates. Simple.

1. No, I refer to expanded Social Security -- in other words, not austerity cuts but boosting benefits.....

2. Healthcare is paid for, it is not free....but health insurance is a parasitic unnecessary middle man that inflates costs for the purpose of a profit motive, period....ALSO, if Trump came out in favor of M4A -- Trumpers will instantly support it because that is what Trumpers always do....i.e $2000 stimulus checks that they initially called socialist...

3. Trump isn't a populist if his policies are not populist -- his policies are the same ole conservative policies...tax cuts for the rich or as you called it "protect the wealthy" -- Trump does as many other GOP politicians before him did (Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, etc) -- they manipulate and prey on the frustrations, fear and ignorance of their base and tell them the reason things are the way are is because of the "others" and other culture war BS...

4. Open up and be more honest means simply this.....instead of waiting until after it is clear a certain administration or candidate was a disaster -- say it when you see it....it's easy for folks to say "I always knew Bush was a moron, globalist, blah, blah, blah) -- there is a reason current day Trumpers claim to hate their last 4 presidential nominees, even tho policy wise, Trump has passed the same policies they did....


Since there aren't many digital receipts from the Bush years, lots of current day Trumpers pretend they were not equally onboard with Bush from 2000 to 2007 or so....that bothers me because I was old enough to remember the Bush years -- I remember being called a traitor and a terrorist because I didn't buy into the Saddam was behind 9/11, gung-ho Iraq war bullshit....I am old enough to remember people just going along with it just to avoid being called these things....

Then after the smoke clears and the dust settled -- now these same people want to rewrite history and pretend they knew all along it was BS....if only they were honest about it then

1. I support the democrat's "fix" for SS, as long as it is paid for.
That is more than the GOP put forward. Without a fix, SS is insolvent ~2030.

Democrats Push Plan to Increase Social Security Benefits and Solvency (Published 2019)

More than 200 members of Congress are supporting a bill that would increase payroll taxes to shore up Social Security and increase benefits for retirees.

www.nytimes.com

Someone also needs to fix Medicare, or it will be bankrupt in 2026.

2. The big question is, do you really want the government running your healthcare? My answer is NO. Just imagine "Lois Lerner" in-charge of your access to healthcare. Sorry, your access is denied, Mr. Republican.

3. Agree that the tax cuts were a bad idea, but the GOP always sucks for shekels. That said, Trump's tariffs are not "globalist", Trump's efforts to bring back manufacturing are not globalist. The pandemic showed how dependent we are on China for medical PPP among other necessities. Culture War? Like destroying statues of the Founding Fathers? Like "Critical Race Theory"? Like "defund the police"?

4. You missed the original binary choice.
Trump or Hillary
Biden or Trump
GOP or Kamala, etc.
I'm very old, and I can't remember a time when a choice wasn't a "lesser of the evils" choice. You need to hold your nose and vote for someone.

The EVIL of which you speak is superfluous, only one of those named in your post is truly EVIL, and that is Donald J. Trump.

Trump has destroyed many lives, their careers and the death of their loved ones based on putting his wants and needs first. He has alienated our allies, weakened our nation's standing as the longest living and lasting democratic republic in world history, and abused the highest office of trust and divided out nation into tribes, one of which vandalized our nation's capitol.

 

[pknopp]

Steal.......we give our technology away to access the 1.5 billion person market.

That too

chinese law demands 50% chinese ownership of foreign companies in china

but that only covers the manufacturing process of finished products

china targets research and development in the US also

and yes some of that is given away but American academics who are bought and paid for by china

but the rest is simply stolen

We give our technology away. There are ways to deal with stolen technology. We refuse to address companies giving it away and then blaming China for that. If this was only about stolen technology, China would still be producing cheap trinkets.

 

[theHawk]

Tariffs are what protect a nations industries. If tariffs are so bad, then why does the EU use them against the US? Why does China use them against the US? Why is it you call it a “trade war” when President Trump enacts tariffs, but not when every other country uses them against us?

A trade war vs tariffs is the difference between a battle and a war.

We’ve been in a trade war with China for 45 plus years, and we’ve been losing this whole time. Tariffs are a useful and effective tool in that war.

 

[pknopp]

He enacted tariffs and walked away while China created new alliances around the world.

All he needed to do was enact tariffs. That’s how manufacturing jobs are protected, that’s how domestic manufacturing can compete with Chinese slave labor. Personally I hope we never make another trade deal with China unless it benefits our manufacturing sector. We should divorce ourselves from Communists that want to dominate the world.

Why would we care if other countries are buying cheap Chinese slave made shit? Their trade doesn’t hurt the US, it only hurts their own industries. The US should be leading by example. We should be moving away from dependence on China, not embracing more of it.

We aren't. Business wants the cheap labor and the 1.5 billion people market. Tariffs do not change that.

China kicked Trump's ass.

 

[theHawk]

Trump has destroyed many lives, their careers and the death of their loved ones based on putting his wants and needs first. He has alienated our allies, weakened our nation's standing as the longest living and lasting democratic republic in world history, and abused the highest office of trust and divided out nation into tribes, one of which vandalized our nation's capitol.

Can you be specific? All you have are these stupid generic statements, with nothing to back it up. Can you even name one of his policies that did any of these things?

Hint: a Tweet that hurts your feelings doesn’t count.

 

[kyzr]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?
View attachment 442185

1. I think you refer to "Medicare for all", not expanded SS.
2. Healthcare needs to be paid for, its not free. More and better jobs with healthcare is the answer.
3. IMHO Trump's new "populism" is here to stay, replacing "conservatism", which is another name for "protect the wealthy".
4. What does "open up and be more honest" even mean?? We will vote for the populist candidates over the socialist candidates. Simple.

1. No, I refer to expanded Social Security -- in other words, not austerity cuts but boosting benefits.....

2. Healthcare is paid for, it is not free....but health insurance is a parasitic unnecessary middle man that inflates costs for the purpose of a profit motive, period....ALSO, if Trump came out in favor of M4A -- Trumpers will instantly support it because that is what Trumpers always do....i.e $2000 stimulus checks that they initially called socialist...

3. Trump isn't a populist if his policies are not populist -- his policies are the same ole conservative policies...tax cuts for the rich or as you called it "protect the wealthy" -- Trump does as many other GOP politicians before him did (Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, etc) -- they manipulate and prey on the frustrations, fear and ignorance of their base and tell them the reason things are the way are is because of the "others" and other culture war BS...

4. Open up and be more honest means simply this.....instead of waiting until after it is clear a certain administration or candidate was a disaster -- say it when you see it....it's easy for folks to say "I always knew Bush was a moron, globalist, blah, blah, blah) -- there is a reason current day Trumpers claim to hate their last 4 presidential nominees, even tho policy wise, Trump has passed the same policies they did....


Since there aren't many digital receipts from the Bush years, lots of current day Trumpers pretend they were not equally onboard with Bush from 2000 to 2007 or so....that bothers me because I was old enough to remember the Bush years -- I remember being called a traitor and a terrorist because I didn't buy into the Saddam was behind 9/11, gung-ho Iraq war bullshit....I am old enough to remember people just going along with it just to avoid being called these things....

Then after the smoke clears and the dust settled -- now these same people want to rewrite history and pretend they knew all along it was BS....if only they were honest about it then

1. I support the democrat's "fix" for SS, as long as it is paid for.
That is more than the GOP put forward. Without a fix, SS is insolvent ~2030.

Democrats Push Plan to Increase Social Security Benefits and Solvency (Published 2019)

More than 200 members of Congress are supporting a bill that would increase payroll taxes to shore up Social Security and increase benefits for retirees.

www.nytimes.com

Someone also needs to fix Medicare, or it will be bankrupt in 2026.

2. The big question is, do you really want the government running your healthcare? My answer is NO. Just imagine "Lois Lerner" in-charge of your access to healthcare. Sorry, your access is denied, Mr. Republican.

3. Agree that the tax cuts were a bad idea, but the GOP always sucks for shekels. That said, Trump's tariffs are not "globalist", Trump's efforts to bring back manufacturing are not globalist. The pandemic showed how dependent we are on China for medical PPP among other necessities. Culture War? Like destroying statues of the Founding Fathers? Like "Critical Race Theory"? Like "defund the police"?

4. You missed the original binary choice.
Trump or Hillary
Biden or Trump
GOP or Kamala, etc.
I'm very old, and I can't remember a time when a choice wasn't a "lesser of the evils" choice. You need to hold your nose and vote for someone.

It is always the lesser of 2 evils -- but in the little exchange with had -- you seem to agree more with what Democrats are proposing than what Reps are...

From social security, to Medicare to tax cuts...

And what were the things you worry about -- "critical race theory" which most Trumpers don't even understand, and their supposed love for statues of Founding Fathers while ignoring the system of government those FF's created....and statues and "critical race theory" won't do shit to improve the material conditions of your life like Social Security and Medicare does

1. I agree with democrats on very few issues. IMHO both parties have a "gentleman's agreement" to not fix SS, then when it goes insolvent the payments get reduced to 70% of what is owed. Problem solved with no pain.
Medicare is more urgent, that needs to be fixed ASAP, there is no easy fix other than keep printing money. Tax cuts never pay for themselves, that is just bullshit. The bills need to be paid.

2. The democrat policies that I vehemently disagree with are:

1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall​

2. Sanctuary cities & states​

3. Free college​

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare​

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law​

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash​

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries​

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas​

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft​

10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK​

11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas​

12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US​

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US​

14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products​

15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling​

16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close​

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries​

18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies​

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh​

20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives​

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump​

22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections​

23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.​

24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities​

25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.​

26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car​

27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA​

28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters​

29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"​

30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote​

31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie​

32. Trannys back in the military​

33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations​

34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico​

35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)​

36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants​

37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ​

38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.​

39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030​

40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything​

41. Defund all police departments​

3. We understand CRT, being "color-blind" isn't good enough, minorities want to be "more equal".
"Critical race theory was a response by legal scholars to the idea that the United States had become a color-blind society where racial inequality/discrimination was no longer in effect. "

Yes we love and respect the Founding Fathers who sacrificed much to give us our free country. The Constitution the FFs created is going to be defended.

 

[Mac-7]

We refuse to address companies giving it away and then blaming China for that.

What are we supposed to do when the people in charge up there in washington dc are globalists who want china to grow and America to shrink?

 

[pknopp]

We refuse to address companies giving it away and then blaming China for that.

What are we supposed to do when the people in charge up there in washington dc are globalists who want china to grow and America to shrink?

Quit electing clowns. Trump is and has always been about big business. He was never going to address their corruption.

Now from there? You won't go along because those who want to address the corrupt businesses largely also want to help the poor.

 

[theHawk]

Business wants the cheap labor and the 1.5 billion people market. Tariffs do not change that.

So you are okay with our businesses using their cheap labor at the expense of US jobs?

Businesses want their 1.5 billion people market. I suppose so, but at what cost? Why would Chinese pay more for US made goods? If those US goods are actually made in China, why would they bother with the US company to begin with, they can make it on their own.

Then of course there is the fact that any business trying to sell their product in China must adhere to Chinese Communist censorship. Like media and entertainment, all have to kiss China’s ass, and impose the censorship of the CCP in order to be allowed in China. Like the NBA, where NBA owners and players are not allowed to criticize the CCP crackdown in Hong Kong, or to support pro-democracy protests. Of course only Mao ass-kissers on the left would support that.

 

[kyzr]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?
View attachment 442185

1. I think you refer to "Medicare for all", not expanded SS.
2. Healthcare needs to be paid for, its not free. More and better jobs with healthcare is the answer.
3. IMHO Trump's new "populism" is here to stay, replacing "conservatism", which is another name for "protect the wealthy".
4. What does "open up and be more honest" even mean?? We will vote for the populist candidates over the socialist candidates. Simple.

1. No, I refer to expanded Social Security -- in other words, not austerity cuts but boosting benefits.....

2. Healthcare is paid for, it is not free....but health insurance is a parasitic unnecessary middle man that inflates costs for the purpose of a profit motive, period....ALSO, if Trump came out in favor of M4A -- Trumpers will instantly support it because that is what Trumpers always do....i.e $2000 stimulus checks that they initially called socialist...

3. Trump isn't a populist if his policies are not populist -- his policies are the same ole conservative policies...tax cuts for the rich or as you called it "protect the wealthy" -- Trump does as many other GOP politicians before him did (Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, etc) -- they manipulate and prey on the frustrations, fear and ignorance of their base and tell them the reason things are the way are is because of the "others" and other culture war BS...

4. Open up and be more honest means simply this.....instead of waiting until after it is clear a certain administration or candidate was a disaster -- say it when you see it....it's easy for folks to say "I always knew Bush was a moron, globalist, blah, blah, blah) -- there is a reason current day Trumpers claim to hate their last 4 presidential nominees, even tho policy wise, Trump has passed the same policies they did....


Since there aren't many digital receipts from the Bush years, lots of current day Trumpers pretend they were not equally onboard with Bush from 2000 to 2007 or so....that bothers me because I was old enough to remember the Bush years -- I remember being called a traitor and a terrorist because I didn't buy into the Saddam was behind 9/11, gung-ho Iraq war bullshit....I am old enough to remember people just going along with it just to avoid being called these things....

Then after the smoke clears and the dust settled -- now these same people want to rewrite history and pretend they knew all along it was BS....if only they were honest about it then

1. I support the democrat's "fix" for SS, as long as it is paid for.
That is more than the GOP put forward. Without a fix, SS is insolvent ~2030.

Democrats Push Plan to Increase Social Security Benefits and Solvency (Published 2019)

More than 200 members of Congress are supporting a bill that would increase payroll taxes to shore up Social Security and increase benefits for retirees.

www.nytimes.com

Someone also needs to fix Medicare, or it will be bankrupt in 2026.

2. The big question is, do you really want the government running your healthcare? My answer is NO. Just imagine "Lois Lerner" in-charge of your access to healthcare. Sorry, your access is denied, Mr. Republican.

3. Agree that the tax cuts were a bad idea, but the GOP always sucks for shekels. That said, Trump's tariffs are not "globalist", Trump's efforts to bring back manufacturing are not globalist. The pandemic showed how dependent we are on China for medical PPP among other necessities. Culture War? Like destroying statues of the Founding Fathers? Like "Critical Race Theory"? Like "defund the police"?

4. You missed the original binary choice.
Trump or Hillary
Biden or Trump
GOP or Kamala, etc.
I'm very old, and I can't remember a time when a choice wasn't a "lesser of the evils" choice. You need to hold your nose and vote for someone.

The EVIL of which you speak is superfluous, only one of those named in your post is truly EVIL, and that is Donald J. Trump.

Trump has destroyed many lives, their careers and the death of their loved ones based on putting his wants and needs first. He has alienated our allies, weakened our nation's standing as the longest living and lasting democratic republic in world history, and abused the highest office of trust and divided out nation into tribes, one of which vandalized our nation's capitol.

yadda yadda yadda, keep spouting those democrat talking points without any proof, total bullshit.
We were tribes long before Trump.
Here are the democrat's preferred policy list:

1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall​

2. Sanctuary cities & states​

3. Free college​

4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare​

5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law​

6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash​

7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries​

8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas​

9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft​

10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK​

11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas​

12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US​

13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US​

14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products​

15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling​

16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close​

17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries​

18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies​

19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh​

20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives​

21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump​

22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections​

23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.​

24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities​

25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.​

26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car​

27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA​

28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters​

29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"​

30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote​

31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie​

32. Trannys back in the military​

33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations​

34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico​

35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)​

36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants​

37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ​

38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.​

39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030​

40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything​

41. Defund all police departments​

 

[pknopp]

Business wants the cheap labor and the 1.5 billion people market. Tariffs do not change that.

So you are okay with our businesses using their cheap labor at the expense of US jobs?

It's like I've been talking to a wall. Up is down and down is up.

Businesses want their 1.5 billion people market. I suppose so, but at what cost? Why would Chinese pay more for US made goods? If those US goods are actually made in China, why would they bother with the US company to begin with, they can make it on their own.

Make it on their own. We have nothing to do or say do anything about that.

Then of course there is the fact that any business trying to sell their product in China must adhere to Chinese Communist censorship. Like media and entertainment, all have to kiss China’s ass, and impose the censorship of the CCP in order to be allowed in China. Like the NBA, where NBA owners and players are not allowed to criticize the CCP crackdown in Hong Kong, or to support pro-democracy protests. Of course only Mao ass-kissers on the left would support that.

China, China, China. China can do whatever they damn well please in their markets. Your worthless rants are meaningless. Tariffs changed none of that. Trump changed nothing.

And still you refuse to condemn any American business outside of the NBA. It's not hard to read into that.

 

[Mac-7]

You won't go along because those who want to address the corrupt businesses largely also want to help the poor.

Your idea of helping the poor is writing bigger welfare checks

which only prolongs their misery

I want go put them to work

 

[postman]

Why would we care if other countries are buying cheap Chinese slave made shit? Their trade doesn’t hurt the US, it only hurts their own industries. The US should be leading by example. We should be moving away from dependence on China, not embracing more of it.

Do you understand how import-export works? Keynesian economics dictates that until the two are equal, that market forces will drive them toward equality, even at the detriment of one of their economies.

If you import more than you export, your currency becomes devalued. Making your imports more expensive, and your exports cheaper. This of course drives import-export toward equality.

 

[postman]

Your idea of helping the poor is writing bigger welfare checks

which only prolongs their misery

I want go put them to work

Funny, your idea of helping the rich, is writing them bigger welfare checks.

 

[pknopp]

You won't go along because those who want to address the corrupt businesses largely also want to help the poor.

Your idea of helping the poor is writing bigger welfare checks

which only prolongs their misery

I want go put them to work

No you don't. If you did you would be addressing the issues. Companies sending jobs overseas. Companies hiring illegals.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I disagree -- the media wanted Trump in so far as the media gave Trump more free airtime than any candidate in history.....I remember the 20 to 30 minutes the media would focus their cameras on an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and say shit that they can feign outrage over...

The media just didn't think the country would dumb enough to vote Trump -- which is funny because it was the media who helped dumb those people down in the first place

They gave him all kinds of air time. That doesn't mean they wanted him. They figured that covering the clown show would help Hillary. It didn't because she was that bad.

No, they figured covering the clown show will get them eyeballs and they were right......

They also made sure to make a big deal of Hillary's emails and other made up scandals -- for the purposes of eye balls.....

It wasn't a made up scandal. It was an actual scandal.

Honestly, the media is insulated either way -- which is why they remain so dedicated to the bullshit "both sides do it" narrative....

It's harder to sell Viagra pills and reverse mortgages to 50% of people if you tell them they are the problem...

Are you arguing that the media shouldn't cover the lead candidate or scandals?

If the shit we have willfully normalized during the Trump years as "Trump being Trump" is any measure -- then yes, Hillary's emails are a made up scandal....

And the media shouldn't cover the news as "Candidate A wants to overthrow a free and fair election by inciting an insurrectionist siege of the Capitol" -- "Candidate B said something about nice about the black lives matter movement" --- guess both sides are the same....

They aren't

 

[Mac-7]

Trump changed nothing.

I think he did

before trump china got nothing but adoring treatment in America

“Whats not to like about china?,” globalists asked

now you complain about so much criticism of china

 

[pknopp]

China kicked his ass.

Nonsense

it was quislings like you seeking the lowest possible price that empowered china and handcuffed America

from you Bloomberg link celebrating the growing trade deficit with china:

” Once China got the virus under control, demand for medical equipment and work-from-home gear expanded its trade surplus with the U.S. despite the levies.”

instead of US companies investing in America by making those products here they prefered to buy from china instead

So you note that nothing changed under Trump? Bravo. That has ALWAYS been the problem. The only way to address that is to address the businesses themselves. You expect China to turn business away? Also, these products bought from China are from US companies.

Things would have changed under Ron Paul, which is why he was ignored by the press



You see, those whom the media is preoccupied with, like Trump, should be viewed with suspicion because as the saying goes, any press is good press in terms of selling people to the public.

Things would have changed. It wasn't the press that ignored him. It was the electorate.

Nope. If you watched the video you would see that even though Ron Paul came in second or even first in certain primary states, he was completely ignored. They talked around him.

I submit that without help from the press, you can't win an election.

Our democracy is only as good as what the media wants.

The media didn't want Trump.

I disagree -- the media wanted Trump in so far as the media gave Trump more free airtime than any candidate in history.....I remember the 20 to 30 minutes the media would focus their cameras on an empty podium waiting for Trump to come out and say shit that they can feign outrage over...

The media just didn't think the country would dumb enough to vote Trump -- which is funny because it was the media who helped dumb those people down in the first place

They gave him all kinds of air time. That doesn't mean they wanted him. They figured that covering the clown show would help Hillary. It didn't because she was that bad.

No, they figured covering the clown show will get them eyeballs and they were right......

They also made sure to make a big deal of Hillary's emails and other made up scandals -- for the purposes of eye balls.....

It wasn't a made up scandal. It was an actual scandal.

Honestly, the media is insulated either way -- which is why they remain so dedicated to the bullshit "both sides do it" narrative....

It's harder to sell Viagra pills and reverse mortgages to 50% of people if you tell them they are the problem...

Are you arguing that the media shouldn't cover the lead candidate or scandals?

If the shit we have willfully normalized during the Trump years as "Trump being Trump" -- then yes, Hillary's emails are a made up scandal....

Hillary preceded Trump. I don't accept Trump and you should not be accepting what Hillary did. Without Hillary, there is no Trump. Many of us simply were not going to accept a lying, war mongering, wall street bought and paid for candidate.

And the media shouldn't cover the news as "Candidate A wants to overthrow a free and fair election by inciting an insurrectionist siege of the Capitol" -- "Candidate B said something about nice about the black lives matter movement" --- guess both sides are the same....

They aren't

By and large the organization of both sides are the same.