How do those on the left defend this?

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think where he was coming from was that with restrooms, a trans that looks like a woman would fit in much better in the woman's rest room than the man's rest room.

Not if he's dressed like a guy which he should be in public. Problem solved.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

42

So you SHOULD be old enough to remember when the democrat party was not demanding we call biological males women.

I have a difficult time getting my head around the fact that anybody could be so benightedly lacking in self-awareness.

What does the Democratic Party have to do with anything? I don’t care what those Yahoos call for. What is it you think I’m not aware of?

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

 

[Slade3200]

Um yes really

Ok, so if I were to agree that the things that make a man male and a woman female are cultural, the whole cultural thing of seeing genitalia and genitalia being seen is also cultural and subjective, but it does not make it any less real or important.

The fact it is cultural that people with vaginas do not want to see strange penises or be seen by someone with a strange penis, does not in any way diminish the fact of how they feel.

It simply is a fact that a trans should not bring a strange penis into a locker room full of vaginas.
It is extremely insensitive, rude, and selfish.

I completely agree

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Which are the males and which the females?

Slade -- well, any of them can be either. What makes them male and female is their lion culture.

 

[Slade3200]

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I think where he was coming from was that with restrooms, a trans that looks like a woman would fit in much better in the woman's rest room than the man's rest room.
But that is because there are stalls in a restroom, so no one sees that they actually have a penis or not.
When no one sees the penis or vagina, then I don't mind what restroom a trans uses.

But a locker room is different, and since genitalia is seen, it should be appropriate to cultural norms.

Of course and he refuses to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women.

I refuse to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women. Where do you pull these shot statements from. This was never a statement of mine. You just made that up. Of course biology plays a primary role. But the majority of things that we see in our interactions with people that tell us what a typical male and typical female are have been formed through generations of sociological factors. How to look, how to act, what role to play in society. This is obviously over your head

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

 

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I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I think where he was coming from was that with restrooms, a trans that looks like a woman would fit in much better in the woman's rest room than the man's rest room.
But that is because there are stalls in a restroom, so no one sees that they actually have a penis or not.
When no one sees the penis or vagina, then I don't mind what restroom a trans uses.

But a locker room is different, and since genitalia is seen, it should be appropriate to cultural norms.

Of course and he refuses to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women.

I refuse to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women. Where do you pull these shot statements from. This was never a statement of mine. You just made that up. Of course biology plays a primary role. But the majority of things that we see in our interactions with people that tell us what a typical male and typical female are have been formed through generations of sociological factors. How to look, how to act, what role to play in society. This is obviously over your head

Nope. Common courtesy is just that. In terms of how to look it’s 99% biology. Try again. You are making yourself look dumber than usual. For you, that is saying a lot.

 

[Slade3200]

Which are the males and which the females?

Slade -- well, any of them can be either. What makes them male and female is their lion culture.

Dicks and pussies… but of course every society has its assholes. You know that better than most I’m sure

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Which are the males and which the females?

Slade -- well, any of them can be either. What makes them male and female is their lion culture.

Dicks and pussies… but of course every society has its assholes. You know that better than most I’m sure

Yes, it's true, You DONT have anything.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

 

[Slade3200]

Which are the males and which the females?

Slade -- well, any of them can be either. What makes them male and female is their lion culture.

Dicks and pussies… but of course every society has its assholes. You know that better than most I’m sure

Yes, it's true, You DONT have anything.

What does that mean?

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I refuse to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women.

And there you have it: The standard LIbtARd rejection of basic science in favor of insane delusions.

Ultimate proof of what many of us know, that modern LIbEralism is a mental disease as well as a moral disease.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

 

[Slade3200]

I refuse to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women.

And there you have it: The standard LIbtARd rejection of basic science in favor of insane delusions.

Ultimate proof of what many of us know, that modern LIbEralism is a mental disease as well as a moral disease.

Read the rest of my statement genius. I wasn’t making a statement I was responding with what AZ was accusing me of. Wow, the combined IQ of you two clowns doesn’t even hit double digits.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

 

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I refuse to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women.

And there you have it: The standard LIbtARd rejection of basic science in favor of insane delusions.

Ultimate proof of what many of us know, that modern LIbEralism is a mental disease as well as a moral disease.

Read the rest of my statement genius. I wasn’t making a statement I was responding with what AZ was accusing me of. Wow, the combined IQ of you two clowns doesn’t even hit double digits.

Yet we are destroying you in this debate. Says something about you. Biology is mostly responsible for cultural norms. The fact that you cannot grasp that is interesting. I would recommend attaining a college degree.