How do those on the left defend this?

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

Ever see 40 year old virgin? It was based on his life. Except instead of a comedy it’s a tragedy.

 

[Road Runner]

Woman Outraged At Spa For Letting Trans In Women's Room: Are You OK With A Man Showing His Penis Around Girls?

A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman...

www.realclearpolitics.com

A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman behind the camera supporting her.


#1) 100% political --- biological male using a women's locker room and walking around with their junk for little girls to see? Don't care how they identify, this is not OK

#2) How is that not spitting in the face of women's rights?

#3) Yet another reason people are fleeing California.


Let's see Leftists defend this. The country is falling apart. This lady is 100% right! Yet another reason why the Democratic Party has gone utterly insane.

Thank you....

Trust the Science
Truth over Facts

To answer the OP I don't know dude but it's fucking scary and even more disturbing.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

42

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

Ever see 40 year old virgin? It was based on his life. Except instead of a comedy it’s a tragedy.

Oh wow you sure got me there!! Nice one!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

42

So you SHOULD be old enough to remember when the democrat party was not demanding we call biological males women.

I have a difficult time getting my head around the fact that anybody could be so benightedly lacking in self-awareness.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your fucking quote. What the fuck are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

 

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Woman Outraged At Spa For Letting Trans In Women's Room: Are You OK With A Man Showing His Penis Around Girls?

A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman...

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A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman behind the camera supporting her.


#1) 100% political --- biological male using a women's locker room and walking around with their junk for little girls to see? Don't care how they identify, this is not OK

#2) How is that not spitting in the face of women's rights?

#3) Yet another reason people are fleeing California.


Let's see Leftists defend this. The country is falling apart. This lady is 100% right! Yet another reason why the Democratic Party has gone utterly insane.

Thank you....

Trust the Science
Truth over Facts

To answer the OP I don't know dude but it's fucking scary and even more disturbing.

Slade3200 believes it’s perfectly normal and culture is what is most responsible in terms of differentiating men from women. True story.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasons

What you said is that most of the things that MAKE a person man or women were social norms.

You are confused, here, because what actually MAKES us male or female is biology. How we EXPRESS that biology is often cultural. You don't have the slightest understanding of the difference between the hardwiring and the resultant behavior.

A man who feels like he is really a woman is a transexual. Ignoring the fact that is he really felt like a women he wouldn't be flashing his penis to anybody within view, he is still a male. He has male anatomy and male chromosomes. There is not a doctor on Earth who would examine him on an anonymous basis, and state he is a female and that is because he ISN'T a female.

The real stickler has to do with what rights this person should have. He should have the right to think of himself and dress like a woman free from harm. He has the right, if thoroughly adult, to remove his penis if he wants. He should have the right to shop at a grocery store like everybody else, drive a car like everybody else, go bowling like everybody else, launch his boat into a lake like everybody else, and be able to do all these things safely. That does not mean he DOES have the right to force everybody to acknowledge him as a women, invade women's spaces, compete against women in sports or demand that he be treated in unique ways. He isn't a female and should not have the right to demand everybody kowtow to him even if our brave new left demands he does simply because such goosestepping authoritarian control over everybody else's lives makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Question please. How can a man say he feels like a woman when he has no idea what a woman feels like? He has no idea what’s it like to have estrogen, vagina, period cramps and mood swings, etc. So when they say they “feel like a woman” I just shrug.

at least you’re asking questions. That’s a start

How old are you, son? Teens? Early 20s?

42

 

[sartre play]

IF YOU START picking out single incidents, that happen to one person any where, we could be here for ever trading story's to support our bias.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

What the hell, if you want to have long hair and wear dresses go for it, just no playing with the kids.

Why not? Does that somehow make them evil people or Pedophiles? You go ahead and take your kids to church where it’s safer. Ok?

What does it tell us all about you that you see nothing wrong with exposing children to sick sexual perversions?

I think everyone here knows what this clearly tells us about you, but it is against the rules on this forum to come out and say it.

 

[Dadoalex]

we on the left don't understand what your whining about here or what you want us to defend.

This is just another culture war bullshit thread for your maga fuckup authoritarians.

Would you want your young daughters to share a locker room with that person?

It sounds like some asshole was showing off his penis, but you want to elevate it into something else.

That "asshole" is identifying as a woman and the club is defending him as I understand it.

Where is the evidence of that? There’s nothing in the story indicates that the spa was defending him or what happened as a result of this intrusion.

Once again you’re projecting your own paranoia and assumptions onto the situation because TRANNIES!!!!!!!

Sounds like an intruder. Why wasn't he arrested? Do they have security?

My God, do ANY of you people bother to find out what you're talking about before you start talking? Do you even understand the concept?

It's a gym. The penis-bearer in question is a member of the gym. He identifies as a woman, so he does his showering and changing in the women's locker room, rather than the men's. The gym staff refused to do anything about the female member's complaint because he identifies as a woman.

Thanks.. Sounds like the woman should quit and ask for her money back.

Apparently, she and another woman did. But what happens when the next gym has the same issue, and the next, and the next, because dipshit leftists in California have made it illegal for women to have private spaces separate from delusional penis-bearers?

Hmmm .. Maybe she should see a lawyer .. Her rights are being trampled.

Typical leftist. "We'll just rearrange everything to fit the reality we wish existed. Then we'll suggest that everyone who doesn't like it marginalize themselves out of normal life. THEN we'll suggest that they spend time and money fighting legal battles against the mess we've made, which they can't win because we passed asinine laws demanding our stupid fantasies. Then we'll all act bewildered by the damage that we've caused and try to find someone else to blame for it."

OF COURSE HER RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED, you dungbrain. EVERY woman's rights are being trampled by this "transgender" lunacy, and everyone on the right TOLD you they were going to be trampled from the get-go.

Here's a suggestion for you, Sparky: Maybe the shitbrains on the left should learn to suck it up and accept reality, so they can stop trying to force their mental illnesses on the rest of us. Maybe states like California should stop demanding that everyone has to pretend that people with penises are or can be women, and go back to arresting anyone with a dick who goes into the ladies' room. And maybe leftists should start fucking LISTENING when people on the right tell them that they're out of their fucking minds.

That's just off the top of my head, though.

So don't hire a lawyer.. Quit the spa.. If enough women agree with you and quit, they will take care of it themselves. Vote with your feet. Vote with your pocketbook.

That is what is happening as I understand it

Again, the question is, where are they supposed to go? Where are they going to find, in the state of California, a gym that doesn't allow men to dangle their dicks in the ladies' locker room?

Allowing transgendered people into locker rooms, it’s not a license for men to expose their penises to women in those locker rooms. Transgender people use the stalls and change rooms provided for privacy for women in any gym throughout North America.

I don't even know where to start with this level of abysmal ignorance proudly proclaiming itself to be intelligence, I really don't.

I am going to do you an enormous favor of which you are not even remotely worthy, and which I sincerely doubt you have the ability to use. I'm going to break this down and explain to you the reality you have so stubbornly and persistently avoided so that it won't get in the way of what you want to believe. No need to thank me.

1) People get naked in locker rooms. That is what locker rooms are FOR. One goes to the locker room at a gym to change from their street clothes to their workout clothes, and then to shower off the sweat after they exercise and change back to their street clothes. Showering and changing clothes, by definition, involves being naked at some point in time.

2) Allowing transgenders into the women's locker room, therefore, DOES allow them to get naked in that locker room, because why else would you allow them in there at all? To sightsee? That's no less creepy, completely aside from being ridiculous.

3) Your assertion that all "real" transgender people change in the stalls and are terribly modest and shy and ashamed about their bodies until they've been fully surgically altered is based on absolutely nothing in reality. I get that you wanted to imagine that it worked that way, because it makes them sound like they're all poor, tortured little victims you can feel sorry for and make asinine demands on behalf of, thereby letting you feel virtuous at the expense of other people's discomfort. Hate to break it to you, but that ain't how it is at all.

First of all, full "gender affirmation" surgery is EXTREMELY expensive. It's also typically done over an extended period of time, and usually after a certain amount of time spent on hormones. Partly that's because of the expense, but a big part of it is that no surgeon wants to cause that much trauma to a body all at once, and put a patient through that much pain and recovery all at once. In the interim, the transitioning person doesn't just lock himself in a room and do nothing; he goes about his regular life.

Second, transgender people are . . . people. As such, they are differing and complex and come in a wide variety of personality types, motivations, etc. Not all of them WANT the complete transition surgery. Not all of them want ANY surgery. Some of them are good with just the hormones; some are good with just changing their names and pronouns and cross-dressing. I can assure you that the transgender community considers all of that to still be "real transgenderism", and would kick your butt up and down the street for presuming to decide for someone else that it isn't.

Also, in with that whole "people" thing is the fact that some people who are transgender are assholes, just like some of any group you care to name are assholes. Being transgender doesn't make you immune from being a jerk, and it doesn't make you immune from being a pervert or a predator. I have known a number of people in the transgender community who get a special charge out of "freaking the mundanes". They LIKE displaying the fact that they're dressing and identifying the opposite of their birth gender to regular people and provoking a reaction. There's actually a contingent of these people in all segments of the LGBTQ community, as well as the BDSM community. Hell, that's a huge reason that Pride parades exist, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Also, being transgender doesn't mean a person can't also have an exhibitionist fetish and get off on flashing people, just the same as the stereotypical guy in the trench coat on the playground does.

4) Whether the guy in the locker room is actually transgender, in the sense that he routinely identifies as female in myriad aspects of his life, or is just a predator using transgender claims as a dodge to get in the women's locker room, there are two operative points here that you're skating past: the transgender activist agenda demands that nothing more is required than for someone to declare that they are this or that gender to make it true, and the law in California specifically prohibits anyone - including law enforcement - from questioning or challenging his identification as a woman in any way. The Wi Spa doesn't seem to particularly WANT to challenge it, but even if they did, they couldn't do so legally. They can't do a damned thing about him until such time as he physically harms someone, or they open themselves up to fines and lawsuits.

Oh, there's one other point here that you shouldn't miss: We told you this exact thing was going to be the result of the transgender agenda you were so eager to endorse so that you could feel "compassionate". Let's don't ever forget that we said it, you dismissed it, and you were dead wrong.

You are wholly ignorant of the mental workings of Trans people.

So, do you plan on cutting it off or do you plan on keeping it?

Cutting what off?
And what is your interest in "it?"

we on the left don't understand what your whining about here or what you want us to defend.

This is just another culture war bullshit thread for your maga fuckup authoritarians.

Would you want your young daughters to share a locker room with that person?

It sounds like some asshole was showing off his penis, but you want to elevate it into something else.

That "asshole" is identifying as a woman and the club is defending him as I understand it.

Where is the evidence of that? There’s nothing in the story indicates that the spa was defending him or what happened as a result of this intrusion.

Once again you’re projecting your own paranoia and assumptions onto the situation because TRANNIES!!!!!!!

Sounds like an intruder. Why wasn't he arrested? Do they have security?

My God, do ANY of you people bother to find out what you're talking about before you start talking? Do you even understand the concept?

It's a gym. The penis-bearer in question is a member of the gym. He identifies as a woman, so he does his showering and changing in the women's locker room, rather than the men's. The gym staff refused to do anything about the female member's complaint because he identifies as a woman.

Thanks.. Sounds like the woman should quit and ask for her money back.

Apparently, she and another woman did. But what happens when the next gym has the same issue, and the next, and the next, because dipshit leftists in California have made it illegal for women to have private spaces separate from delusional penis-bearers?

Hmmm .. Maybe she should see a lawyer .. Her rights are being trampled.

Typical leftist. "We'll just rearrange everything to fit the reality we wish existed. Then we'll suggest that everyone who doesn't like it marginalize themselves out of normal life. THEN we'll suggest that they spend time and money fighting legal battles against the mess we've made, which they can't win because we passed asinine laws demanding our stupid fantasies. Then we'll all act bewildered by the damage that we've caused and try to find someone else to blame for it."

OF COURSE HER RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED, you dungbrain. EVERY woman's rights are being trampled by this "transgender" lunacy, and everyone on the right TOLD you they were going to be trampled from the get-go.

Here's a suggestion for you, Sparky: Maybe the shitbrains on the left should learn to suck it up and accept reality, so they can stop trying to force their mental illnesses on the rest of us. Maybe states like California should stop demanding that everyone has to pretend that people with penises are or can be women, and go back to arresting anyone with a dick who goes into the ladies' room. And maybe leftists should start fucking LISTENING when people on the right tell them that they're out of their fucking minds.

That's just off the top of my head, though.

So don't hire a lawyer.. Quit the spa.. If enough women agree with you and quit, they will take care of it themselves. Vote with your feet. Vote with your pocketbook.

That is what is happening as I understand it

Again, the question is, where are they supposed to go? Where are they going to find, in the state of California, a gym that doesn't allow men to dangle their dicks in the ladies' locker room?

Allowing transgendered people into locker rooms, it’s not a license for men to expose their penises to women in those locker rooms. Transgender people use the stalls and change rooms provided for privacy for women in any gym throughout North America.

I don't even know where to start with this level of abysmal ignorance proudly proclaiming itself to be intelligence, I really don't.

I am going to do you an enormous favor of which you are not even remotely worthy, and which I sincerely doubt you have the ability to use. I'm going to break this down and explain to you the reality you have so stubbornly and persistently avoided so that it won't get in the way of what you want to believe. No need to thank me.

1) People get naked in locker rooms. That is what locker rooms are FOR. One goes to the locker room at a gym to change from their street clothes to their workout clothes, and then to shower off the sweat after they exercise and change back to their street clothes. Showering and changing clothes, by definition, involves being naked at some point in time.

2) Allowing transgenders into the women's locker room, therefore, DOES allow them to get naked in that locker room, because why else would you allow them in there at all? To sightsee? That's no less creepy, completely aside from being ridiculous.

3) Your assertion that all "real" transgender people change in the stalls and are terribly modest and shy and ashamed about their bodies until they've been fully surgically altered is based on absolutely nothing in reality. I get that you wanted to imagine that it worked that way, because it makes them sound like they're all poor, tortured little victims you can feel sorry for and make asinine demands on behalf of, thereby letting you feel virtuous at the expense of other people's discomfort. Hate to break it to you, but that ain't how it is at all.

First of all, full "gender affirmation" surgery is EXTREMELY expensive. It's also typically done over an extended period of time, and usually after a certain amount of time spent on hormones. Partly that's because of the expense, but a big part of it is that no surgeon wants to cause that much trauma to a body all at once, and put a patient through that much pain and recovery all at once. In the interim, the transitioning person doesn't just lock himself in a room and do nothing; he goes about his regular life.

Second, transgender people are . . . people. As such, they are differing and complex and come in a wide variety of personality types, motivations, etc. Not all of them WANT the complete transition surgery. Not all of them want ANY surgery. Some of them are good with just the hormones; some are good with just changing their names and pronouns and cross-dressing. I can assure you that the transgender community considers all of that to still be "real transgenderism", and would kick your butt up and down the street for presuming to decide for someone else that it isn't.

Also, in with that whole "people" thing is the fact that some people who are transgender are assholes, just like some of any group you care to name are assholes. Being transgender doesn't make you immune from being a jerk, and it doesn't make you immune from being a pervert or a predator. I have known a number of people in the transgender community who get a special charge out of "freaking the mundanes". They LIKE displaying the fact that they're dressing and identifying the opposite of their birth gender to regular people and provoking a reaction. There's actually a contingent of these people in all segments of the LGBTQ community, as well as the BDSM community. Hell, that's a huge reason that Pride parades exist, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Also, being transgender doesn't mean a person can't also have an exhibitionist fetish and get off on flashing people, just the same as the stereotypical guy in the trench coat on the playground does.

4) Whether the guy in the locker room is actually transgender, in the sense that he routinely identifies as female in myriad aspects of his life, or is just a predator using transgender claims as a dodge to get in the women's locker room, there are two operative points here that you're skating past: the transgender activist agenda demands that nothing more is required than for someone to declare that they are this or that gender to make it true, and the law in California specifically prohibits anyone - including law enforcement - from questioning or challenging his identification as a woman in any way. The Wi Spa doesn't seem to particularly WANT to challenge it, but even if they did, they couldn't do so legally. They can't do a damned thing about him until such time as he physically harms someone, or they open themselves up to fines and lawsuits.

Oh, there's one other point here that you shouldn't miss: We told you this exact thing was going to be the result of the transgender agenda you were so eager to endorse so that you could feel "compassionate". Let's don't ever forget that we said it, you dismissed it, and you were dead wrong.

You are wholly ignorant of the mental workings of Trans people.

So, do you plan on cutting it off or do you plan on keeping it?

Cutting what off?
And what is your interest in "it?"

You tried to posit yourself as the ultimate expert, so it was only natural to assume that it was the voice of experience talking.

You failed to describe your interest in my "IT."

I never claimed expertise but I don't need to have a PHD in Transgender studies to recognize an idiot blowing smoke out his ass.

Now, again, what is your interest in my "IT?"

You assume Cecilie is a "he"? How binary of you. You should be ashamed.

I assume everyone is a he.
So, wrong on both counts.

Of course you do.

Your misogyny is downright palpable.

Well, I'm pretty sure if you can learn to wipe your ass what is "palpable" will become as obvious to you as it is to your friends and neighbors.

 

[Dadoalex]

...

You mean I need to defend what you imagined in your Tiny Brain?
Your OP was literally fact free.
Allegation by some "KAREN," no video, no other witnesses, no perp, no victim....

So you justifiy what you imagined and why you imagine such sick crap 24x7 AND
How your imaginings qualify you as your state's official pecker checker!

Its all over the web.
There were riots in the street and police were called.

This is a short one, the first I found. But this gives you more to search on for better articles.

Viral Video of Client Complaining About Trans Woman in LA Spa Sparks Protests

Dueling demonstrations over trans rights were planned in Los Angeles Saturday, fueled by a viral video posted by a woman upset that a person who identified as a trans female was allowed to disrobe in the women's section of an upscale Koreatown spa.

www.nbclosangeles.com

Shocked woman argues in viral video as naked 'man' enters Wi Spa's women's changing room in LA

Spa workers argued that the 'man' was allowed into the women's section because of his 'sexual orientation'

meaww.com

Black Woman Calls Out Wi Spa in LA for Allowing Naked Men to Traumatize Women, Little Girls [VIDEO] | EURweb

: Black Woman Calls Out Wi Spa in LA for Allowing Naked Men to Traumatize Women, Little Girls [VIDEO] . Click to read more about on EURweb .

eurweb.com

Your videos are of a woman complaining.
So....
Hell, that could be ay of you in drag.

 

[Dadoalex]

we on the left don't understand what your whining about here or what you want us to defend.

This is just another culture war bullshit thread for your maga fuckup authoritarians.

Would you want your young daughters to share a locker room with that person?

It sounds like some asshole was showing off his penis, but you want to elevate it into something else.

That "asshole" is identifying as a woman and the club is defending him as I understand it.

Where is the evidence of that? There’s nothing in the story indicates that the spa was defending him or what happened as a result of this intrusion.

Once again you’re projecting your own paranoia and assumptions onto the situation because TRANNIES!!!!!!!

Sounds like an intruder. Why wasn't he arrested? Do they have security?

My God, do ANY of you people bother to find out what you're talking about before you start talking? Do you even understand the concept?

It's a gym. The penis-bearer in question is a member of the gym. He identifies as a woman, so he does his showering and changing in the women's locker room, rather than the men's. The gym staff refused to do anything about the female member's complaint because he identifies as a woman.

Thanks.. Sounds like the woman should quit and ask for her money back.

Apparently, she and another woman did. But what happens when the next gym has the same issue, and the next, and the next, because dipshit leftists in California have made it illegal for women to have private spaces separate from delusional penis-bearers?

Hmmm .. Maybe she should see a lawyer .. Her rights are being trampled.

Typical leftist. "We'll just rearrange everything to fit the reality we wish existed. Then we'll suggest that everyone who doesn't like it marginalize themselves out of normal life. THEN we'll suggest that they spend time and money fighting legal battles against the mess we've made, which they can't win because we passed asinine laws demanding our stupid fantasies. Then we'll all act bewildered by the damage that we've caused and try to find someone else to blame for it."

OF COURSE HER RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED, you dungbrain. EVERY woman's rights are being trampled by this "transgender" lunacy, and everyone on the right TOLD you they were going to be trampled from the get-go.

Here's a suggestion for you, Sparky: Maybe the shitbrains on the left should learn to suck it up and accept reality, so they can stop trying to force their mental illnesses on the rest of us. Maybe states like California should stop demanding that everyone has to pretend that people with penises are or can be women, and go back to arresting anyone with a dick who goes into the ladies' room. And maybe leftists should start fucking LISTENING when people on the right tell them that they're out of their fucking minds.

That's just off the top of my head, though.

So don't hire a lawyer.. Quit the spa.. If enough women agree with you and quit, they will take care of it themselves. Vote with your feet. Vote with your pocketbook.

That is what is happening as I understand it

Again, the question is, where are they supposed to go? Where are they going to find, in the state of California, a gym that doesn't allow men to dangle their dicks in the ladies' locker room?

Allowing transgendered people into locker rooms, it’s not a license for men to expose their penises to women in those locker rooms. Transgender people use the stalls and change rooms provided for privacy for women in any gym throughout North America.

I don't even know where to start with this level of abysmal ignorance proudly proclaiming itself to be intelligence, I really don't.

I am going to do you an enormous favor of which you are not even remotely worthy, and which I sincerely doubt you have the ability to use. I'm going to break this down and explain to you the reality you have so stubbornly and persistently avoided so that it won't get in the way of what you want to believe. No need to thank me.

1) People get naked in locker rooms. That is what locker rooms are FOR. One goes to the locker room at a gym to change from their street clothes to their workout clothes, and then to shower off the sweat after they exercise and change back to their street clothes. Showering and changing clothes, by definition, involves being naked at some point in time.

2) Allowing transgenders into the women's locker room, therefore, DOES allow them to get naked in that locker room, because why else would you allow them in there at all? To sightsee? That's no less creepy, completely aside from being ridiculous.

3) Your assertion that all "real" transgender people change in the stalls and are terribly modest and shy and ashamed about their bodies until they've been fully surgically altered is based on absolutely nothing in reality. I get that you wanted to imagine that it worked that way, because it makes them sound like they're all poor, tortured little victims you can feel sorry for and make asinine demands on behalf of, thereby letting you feel virtuous at the expense of other people's discomfort. Hate to break it to you, but that ain't how it is at all.

First of all, full "gender affirmation" surgery is EXTREMELY expensive. It's also typically done over an extended period of time, and usually after a certain amount of time spent on hormones. Partly that's because of the expense, but a big part of it is that no surgeon wants to cause that much trauma to a body all at once, and put a patient through that much pain and recovery all at once. In the interim, the transitioning person doesn't just lock himself in a room and do nothing; he goes about his regular life.

Second, transgender people are . . . people. As such, they are differing and complex and come in a wide variety of personality types, motivations, etc. Not all of them WANT the complete transition surgery. Not all of them want ANY surgery. Some of them are good with just the hormones; some are good with just changing their names and pronouns and cross-dressing. I can assure you that the transgender community considers all of that to still be "real transgenderism", and would kick your butt up and down the street for presuming to decide for someone else that it isn't.

Also, in with that whole "people" thing is the fact that some people who are transgender are assholes, just like some of any group you care to name are assholes. Being transgender doesn't make you immune from being a jerk, and it doesn't make you immune from being a pervert or a predator. I have known a number of people in the transgender community who get a special charge out of "freaking the mundanes". They LIKE displaying the fact that they're dressing and identifying the opposite of their birth gender to regular people and provoking a reaction. There's actually a contingent of these people in all segments of the LGBTQ community, as well as the BDSM community. Hell, that's a huge reason that Pride parades exist, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Also, being transgender doesn't mean a person can't also have an exhibitionist fetish and get off on flashing people, just the same as the stereotypical guy in the trench coat on the playground does.

4) Whether the guy in the locker room is actually transgender, in the sense that he routinely identifies as female in myriad aspects of his life, or is just a predator using transgender claims as a dodge to get in the women's locker room, there are two operative points here that you're skating past: the transgender activist agenda demands that nothing more is required than for someone to declare that they are this or that gender to make it true, and the law in California specifically prohibits anyone - including law enforcement - from questioning or challenging his identification as a woman in any way. The Wi Spa doesn't seem to particularly WANT to challenge it, but even if they did, they couldn't do so legally. They can't do a damned thing about him until such time as he physically harms someone, or they open themselves up to fines and lawsuits.

Oh, there's one other point here that you shouldn't miss: We told you this exact thing was going to be the result of the transgender agenda you were so eager to endorse so that you could feel "compassionate". Let's don't ever forget that we said it, you dismissed it, and you were dead wrong.

You are wholly ignorant of the mental workings of Trans people.

How do you know their mental workings?

I don't claim to "know."
I know several Trans people. We've talked.
I do know that you people know NOTHING of their mentality beyond your own perceived perversions.

Of course you do. You’re the utmost expert. Please STFU and stop hijacking this thread

You're whining at the wrong party. All I do is respond to posts. If you want to bitch take it up with your fellows.

Whining? You don’t know the meaning of the word. You are pathetic. Get lost. You cannot defend what happened so you deflect.

You mean I need to defend what you imagined in your Tiny Brain?
Your OP was literally fact free.
Allegation by some "KAREN," no video, no other witnesses, no perp, no victim....

So you justifiy what you imagined and why you imagine such sick crap 24x7 AND
How your imaginings qualify you as your state's official pecker checker!

There was a video. It was corroborated. You are a moron.

A video of a woman complaining about something.
Corroborated by people who saw the woman complaining.

So how's that pecker checker training coming. Always good to see someone pursuing a lifelong dream.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

we on the left don't understand what your whining about here or what you want us to defend.

This is just another culture war bullshit thread for your maga fuckup authoritarians.

Would you want your young daughters to share a locker room with that person?

It sounds like some asshole was showing off his penis, but you want to elevate it into something else.

That "asshole" is identifying as a woman and the club is defending him as I understand it.

Where is the evidence of that? There’s nothing in the story indicates that the spa was defending him or what happened as a result of this intrusion.

Once again you’re projecting your own paranoia and assumptions onto the situation because TRANNIES!!!!!!!

Sounds like an intruder. Why wasn't he arrested? Do they have security?

My God, do ANY of you people bother to find out what you're talking about before you start talking? Do you even understand the concept?

It's a gym. The penis-bearer in question is a member of the gym. He identifies as a woman, so he does his showering and changing in the women's locker room, rather than the men's. The gym staff refused to do anything about the female member's complaint because he identifies as a woman.

Thanks.. Sounds like the woman should quit and ask for her money back.

Apparently, she and another woman did. But what happens when the next gym has the same issue, and the next, and the next, because dipshit leftists in California have made it illegal for women to have private spaces separate from delusional penis-bearers?

Hmmm .. Maybe she should see a lawyer .. Her rights are being trampled.

Typical leftist. "We'll just rearrange everything to fit the reality we wish existed. Then we'll suggest that everyone who doesn't like it marginalize themselves out of normal life. THEN we'll suggest that they spend time and money fighting legal battles against the mess we've made, which they can't win because we passed asinine laws demanding our stupid fantasies. Then we'll all act bewildered by the damage that we've caused and try to find someone else to blame for it."

OF COURSE HER RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED, you dungbrain. EVERY woman's rights are being trampled by this "transgender" lunacy, and everyone on the right TOLD you they were going to be trampled from the get-go.

Here's a suggestion for you, Sparky: Maybe the shitbrains on the left should learn to suck it up and accept reality, so they can stop trying to force their mental illnesses on the rest of us. Maybe states like California should stop demanding that everyone has to pretend that people with penises are or can be women, and go back to arresting anyone with a dick who goes into the ladies' room. And maybe leftists should start fucking LISTENING when people on the right tell them that they're out of their fucking minds.

That's just off the top of my head, though.

So don't hire a lawyer.. Quit the spa.. If enough women agree with you and quit, they will take care of it themselves. Vote with your feet. Vote with your pocketbook.

That is what is happening as I understand it

Again, the question is, where are they supposed to go? Where are they going to find, in the state of California, a gym that doesn't allow men to dangle their dicks in the ladies' locker room?

Allowing transgendered people into locker rooms, it’s not a license for men to expose their penises to women in those locker rooms. Transgender people use the stalls and change rooms provided for privacy for women in any gym throughout North America.

I don't even know where to start with this level of abysmal ignorance proudly proclaiming itself to be intelligence, I really don't.

I am going to do you an enormous favor of which you are not even remotely worthy, and which I sincerely doubt you have the ability to use. I'm going to break this down and explain to you the reality you have so stubbornly and persistently avoided so that it won't get in the way of what you want to believe. No need to thank me.

1) People get naked in locker rooms. That is what locker rooms are FOR. One goes to the locker room at a gym to change from their street clothes to their workout clothes, and then to shower off the sweat after they exercise and change back to their street clothes. Showering and changing clothes, by definition, involves being naked at some point in time.

2) Allowing transgenders into the women's locker room, therefore, DOES allow them to get naked in that locker room, because why else would you allow them in there at all? To sightsee? That's no less creepy, completely aside from being ridiculous.

3) Your assertion that all "real" transgender people change in the stalls and are terribly modest and shy and ashamed about their bodies until they've been fully surgically altered is based on absolutely nothing in reality. I get that you wanted to imagine that it worked that way, because it makes them sound like they're all poor, tortured little victims you can feel sorry for and make asinine demands on behalf of, thereby letting you feel virtuous at the expense of other people's discomfort. Hate to break it to you, but that ain't how it is at all.

First of all, full "gender affirmation" surgery is EXTREMELY expensive. It's also typically done over an extended period of time, and usually after a certain amount of time spent on hormones. Partly that's because of the expense, but a big part of it is that no surgeon wants to cause that much trauma to a body all at once, and put a patient through that much pain and recovery all at once. In the interim, the transitioning person doesn't just lock himself in a room and do nothing; he goes about his regular life.

Second, transgender people are . . . people. As such, they are differing and complex and come in a wide variety of personality types, motivations, etc. Not all of them WANT the complete transition surgery. Not all of them want ANY surgery. Some of them are good with just the hormones; some are good with just changing their names and pronouns and cross-dressing. I can assure you that the transgender community considers all of that to still be "real transgenderism", and would kick your butt up and down the street for presuming to decide for someone else that it isn't.

Also, in with that whole "people" thing is the fact that some people who are transgender are assholes, just like some of any group you care to name are assholes. Being transgender doesn't make you immune from being a jerk, and it doesn't make you immune from being a pervert or a predator. I have known a number of people in the transgender community who get a special charge out of "freaking the mundanes". They LIKE displaying the fact that they're dressing and identifying the opposite of their birth gender to regular people and provoking a reaction. There's actually a contingent of these people in all segments of the LGBTQ community, as well as the BDSM community. Hell, that's a huge reason that Pride parades exist, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Also, being transgender doesn't mean a person can't also have an exhibitionist fetish and get off on flashing people, just the same as the stereotypical guy in the trench coat on the playground does.

4) Whether the guy in the locker room is actually transgender, in the sense that he routinely identifies as female in myriad aspects of his life, or is just a predator using transgender claims as a dodge to get in the women's locker room, there are two operative points here that you're skating past: the transgender activist agenda demands that nothing more is required than for someone to declare that they are this or that gender to make it true, and the law in California specifically prohibits anyone - including law enforcement - from questioning or challenging his identification as a woman in any way. The Wi Spa doesn't seem to particularly WANT to challenge it, but even if they did, they couldn't do so legally. They can't do a damned thing about him until such time as he physically harms someone, or they open themselves up to fines and lawsuits.

Oh, there's one other point here that you shouldn't miss: We told you this exact thing was going to be the result of the transgender agenda you were so eager to endorse so that you could feel "compassionate". Let's don't ever forget that we said it, you dismissed it, and you were dead wrong.

You are wholly ignorant of the mental workings of Trans people.

How do you know their mental workings?

I don't claim to "know."
I know several Trans people. We've talked.
I do know that you people know NOTHING of their mentality beyond your own perceived perversions.

Of course you do. You’re the utmost expert. Please STFU and stop hijacking this thread

You're whining at the wrong party. All I do is respond to posts. If you want to bitch take it up with your fellows.

Whining? You don’t know the meaning of the word. You are pathetic. Get lost. You cannot defend what happened so you deflect.

You mean I need to defend what you imagined in your Tiny Brain?
Your OP was literally fact free.
Allegation by some "KAREN," no video, no other witnesses, no perp, no victim....

So you justifiy what you imagined and why you imagine such sick crap 24x7 AND
How your imaginings qualify you as your state's official pecker checker!

There was a video. It was corroborated. You are a moron.

A video of a woman complaining about something.
Corroborated by people who saw the woman complaining.

So how's that pecker checker training coming. Always good to see someone pursuing a lifelong dream.

No one is disputing her story and there were other witnesses, caddo kid.

 

[Rigby5]

Um yes really

Ok, so if I were to agree that the things that make a man male and a woman female are cultural, the whole cultural thing of seeing genitalia and genitalia being seen is also cultural and subjective, but it does not make it any less real or important.

The fact it is cultural that people with vaginas do not want to see strange penises or be seen by someone with a strange penis, does not in any way diminish the fact of how they feel.

It simply is a fact that a trans should not bring a strange penis into a locker room full of vaginas.
It is extremely insensitive, rude, and selfish.

 

[Rigby5]

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I think where he was coming from was that with restrooms, a trans that looks like a woman would fit in much better in the woman's rest room than the man's rest room.
But that is because there are stalls in a restroom, so no one sees that they actually have a penis or not.
When no one sees the penis or vagina, then I don't mind what restroom a trans uses.

But a locker room is different, and since genitalia is seen, it should be appropriate to cultural norms.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I think where he was coming from was that with restrooms, a trans that looks like a woman would fit in much better in the woman's rest room than the man's rest room.
But that is because there are stalls in a restroom, so no one sees that they actually have a penis or not.
When no one sees the penis or vagina, then I don't mind what restroom a trans uses.

But a locker room is different, and since genitalia is seen, it should be appropriate to cultural norms.

Of course and he refuses to believe that biology is the primary reason for cultural differences between men and women.