How dumb is our leadership? Negotiate with N Korea AGAIN

[Nova78]

How dumb is our leadership?

Box of rocks come to mind.

 

[depotoo]

How many times are we going to fall for this mousetrap? How many times are we going to let Lucy pull the football out from under us?

Time and again North Korea stomps its feet and we come running with the latest edition of HOW STUPID IS AMERICA

Washington Post

Most Americans are unaware of the US kill rate during the Korean War which equaled more than one 911 per day for each and every one of the 1100 days of a conflict which would never have occurred if the US hadn't prevented Korean independence in 1945. That could make some people foot-stomping mad.

hey george, mind providing a link?

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

The US is the fat rich kid. NK is the bully threatening the fat boy's self esteem. SK is the little girl crying in fear but looking through the fingers over her eyes to see if the fat boy is going for his wallet.

Reagan paid up. Pap Bush paid up. Clinton paid up. The Bush League paid up.

Why would Obama do something different? Bend over, America, and get out the grease; nothing has changed at the top since Reagan sold American foreign policy to the defense industry.

As was asked earlier.....what do you think we should do? Attack and get tens of thousands of our soldiers and their innocent people killed?

The days of attacking first then asking (or answering) questions later are hopefully over.

If anyone has any respect for our troops they won't support making the same dumbfuck mistakes that Bush II made and get our soldiers killed FOR NO GOOD REASON.

Me?

President Jukes would send appropriate diplomats to NK to bring back in writing what NK can be walked back to in advance of a deal, then see what was real. If we could buy time cheaply, that would be my choice.

As all that was going on I'd meet face to face with the SK poobah and tell them we're out in two years no matter what and offer to help broker a deal in which NK and SK were two greater provinces of a single nation under the eye of China going forward, or failing that, the US is simply getting out and SK could find another sucker.

Later that morning a letter would be sent to the WTO announcing that effective immediately the US is pulling out of all treaties that are not 100% reciprocal by the end of the day.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

As was asked earlier.....what do you think we should do? Attack and get tens of thousands of our soldiers and their innocent people killed?

The days of attacking first then asking (or answering) questions later are hopefully over.

If anyone has any respect for our troops they won't support making the same dumbfuck mistakes that Bush II made and get our soldiers killed FOR NO GOOD REASON.

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So you read the question and didn't bother to read two more posts for an answer?

Maybe you should read further. You would look like less of a tool that way.

Again........no answer. Just a desire to see our troops killed.

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I answered it right after he asked it, open your eyes dumbass

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The US is the fat rich kid. NK is the bully threatening the fat boy's self esteem. SK is the little girl crying in fear but looking through the fingers over her eyes to see if the fat boy is going for his wallet.

Reagan paid up. Pap Bush paid up. Clinton paid up. The Bush League paid up.

Why would Obama do something different? Bend over, America, and get out the grease; nothing has changed at the top since Reagan sold American foreign policy to the defense industry.

How fascinatingly brain damaged......

 

[georgephillip]

How many times are we going to fall for this mousetrap? How many times are we going to let Lucy pull the football out from under us?

Time and again North Korea stomps its feet and we come running with the latest edition of HOW STUPID IS AMERICA

Washington Post

Most Americans are unaware of the US kill rate during the Korean War which equaled more than one 911 per day for each and every one of the 1100 days of a conflict which would never have occurred if the US hadn't prevented Korean independence in 1945. That could make some people foot-stomping mad.

hey george, mind providing a link?

You probably won't approve of my source, but here it is:

"The US may have killed 20% of the population of Korea, said General Curtis Lemay, who was involved in the US air war on Korea. If so, that is a higher rate of genocidal slaughter than what the Nazis inflicted on Poland or the Soviet Union.

"The Korean War may be unknown ancient history to us, but it is no more ancient history to Koreans than the Nakba is to Palestinians."

North Korea?s Justifiable Anger » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The body count in Korea is controversial,
Can you suggest a reliable authority we might both agree on?

 

[georgephillip]

How many times are we going to fall for this mousetrap? How many times are we going to let Lucy pull the football out from under us?

Time and again North Korea stomps its feet and we come running with the latest edition of HOW STUPID IS AMERICA

Washington Post

Most Americans are unaware of the US kill rate during the Korean War which equaled more than one 911 per day for each and every one of the 1100 days of a conflict which would never have occurred if the US hadn't prevented Korean independence in 1945. That could make some people foot-stomping mad.

Obviously we didn't kill enough of them because the war was fought to a truce instead of victory.

20% was the figure Curtis Lemay suggested.
His arrogance and brutality was legendary.
Are you calling ol' Curtis a sissy?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Most Americans are unaware of the US kill rate during the Korean War which equaled more than one 911 per day for each and every one of the 1100 days of a conflict which would never have occurred if the US hadn't prevented Korean independence in 1945. That could make some people foot-stomping mad.

hey george, mind providing a link?

You probably won't approve of my source, but here it is:

"The US may have killed 20% of the population of Korea, said General Curtis Lemay, who was involved in the US air war on Korea. If so, that is a higher rate of genocidal slaughter than what the Nazis inflicted on Poland or the Soviet Union.

"The Korean War may be unknown ancient history to us, but it is no more ancient history to Koreans than the Nakba is to Palestinians."

North Korea?s Justifiable Anger » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The body count in Korea is controversial,
Can you suggest a reliable authority we might both agree on?

Ah yes the obligatory leftist apologist for repressive, totolitarian , communist regimes.......
Arent they special ? Lol

 

[depotoo]

Most Americans are unaware of the US kill rate during the Korean War which equaled more than one 911 per day for each and every one of the 1100 days of a conflict which would never have occurred if the US hadn't prevented Korean independence in 1945. That could make some people foot-stomping mad.

hey george, mind providing a link?

You probably won't approve of my source, but here it is:

"The US may have killed 20% of the population of Korea, said General Curtis Lemay, who was involved in the US air war on Korea. If so, that is a higher rate of genocidal slaughter than what the Nazis inflicted on Poland or the Soviet Union.

"The Korean War may be unknown ancient history to us, but it is no more ancient history to Koreans than the Nakba is to Palestinians."

North Korea?s Justifiable Anger » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The body count in Korea is controversial,
Can you suggest a reliable authority we might both agree on?

of course I don't, and your figure includes all deaths in that war, thus includes the killing of all by all. And we provided 300,000 soldiers to fight that war in which almost 34,000 were killed. That in itself is a rate of 11.3% US soldiers involved were killed.

The entire population of Korea in 1949 was over 20 million people. Even according to the highest exagerrated stats of those killed there that would have been less than 5% of the population there.
You also seem to not realize there were 20 other nations from the UN that participated in that war.

 

[Londoner]

Nations go nuclear to deter others from fucking with them.

The old Republican Party didn't trust Washington to control the world and tell each nation how best to protect itself from its regional neighbors and rogue superpowers. The old Republican Party believed in the law of unintended consequences. If Washington designates a nation part of the "Axis of Evil", than that nation now has an even bigger incentive to ramp up their nuclear program.

The old Republican Party had a very sensible warning; and it sounds something like this: if Washington calls a bunch of pre-modern sand monkeys a real threat - if they conflate Bin Laden (who lived in cave without plumbing for 3 years) with Hitler - than Washington is basically making those sand monkeys more powerful in the eyes of the world. By telling the world that Washington feels genuinely threatened by such puny bullies, a president makes those bullies look stronger (and, because Washington is acting so afraid, the president makes Washington look weaker). Washington increased the recruiting efforts of Bin Laden because it made potential recruits feel like they were worthy and powerful enough to scare and compete with a superpower.

The old Republican Party - the isolationists who opposed FDR and Truman - didn't want to make Washington a global police man. They didn't think Washington had the ability to improve or save the world militarily, from a centralized place. They knew that it was too expensive. They also didn't think Washington was competent enough to run the globe from a central location. [They didn't think Washington was competent to run a laundromat, so how could it rebuild whole Arab nations?] The old Republican Party also didn't trust bureaucratic planners because those planners were human; and: humans are imperfect and prone to corruption. Worse: they might occasionally start wars under false pretenses. This is why the old Republican Party feared centralized power because they didn't think humans were competent enough to control/wield it. [Suffice it to say: the new Republican Party trusts government power immensely. They buy into Washington's War rhetoric hook line and sinker. They Trusted Every Word Reagan and Bush I & II Said About War]

The new Republican party - nudged out of its isolationism by anti-communism in the 50s and 60s - believes wholeheartedly in the "War on Terror" and the "Axis of Evil". More specifically, they believe in giving Washington massive increases in money and centralized power to police the globe, improve the world by spreading democracy, and delivering us into an idealized world of total safety. The old Republican Party understood that the world was a dangerous place and they didn't walk around with the fear of the new Republican Party. Therefore, the old Republican Party would never have given Washington the power to set up a MASSIVE surveillance bureaucracy in order to protect Americans from a threat that had a lower statistical likelihood than getting struck by lightning.

The Axis of Evil and War on Terror uses a very real threat to increase the spending and power of Washington.

The Leftist voter had the courage to oppose LBJ's foreign policy.

The Rightwing voter always supports Republican Presidents in matters of War.

The Rightwing voter never questions his party when it is in charge of Washington.

If a Republican President takes back the White House in 2016, he will re-kindle the War on Terror. And the Tea Party will be his obedient attack dogs. They won't question a thing.

 

[georgephillip]

hey george, mind providing a link?

You probably won't approve of my source, but here it is:

"The US may have killed 20% of the population of Korea, said General Curtis Lemay, who was involved in the US air war on Korea. If so, that is a higher rate of genocidal slaughter than what the Nazis inflicted on Poland or the Soviet Union.

"The Korean War may be unknown ancient history to us, but it is no more ancient history to Koreans than the Nakba is to Palestinians."

North Korea?s Justifiable Anger » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The body count in Korea is controversial,
Can you suggest a reliable authority we might both agree on?

Ah yes the obligatory leftist apologist for repressive, totolitarian , communist regimes.......
Arent they special ? Lol

Are they killing children for money in your hometown?

 

[georgephillip]

Nations go nuclear to deter others from fucking with them.

The old Republican Party didn't trust Washington to control the world and tell each nation how best to protect itself from its regional neighbors and rogue superpowers. The old Republican Party believed in the law of unintended consequences. If Washington designates a nation part of the "Axis of Evil", than that nation now has an even bigger incentive to ramp up their nuclear program.

The old Republican Party had a very sensible warning; and it sounds something like this: if Washington calls a bunch of pre-modern sand monkeys a real threat - if they conflate Bin Laden (who lived in cave without plumbing for 3 years) with Hitler - than Washington is basically making those sand monkeys more powerful in the eyes of the world. By telling the world that Washington feels genuinely threatened by such puny bullies, a president makes those bullies look stronger (and, because Washington is acting so afraid, the president makes Washington look weaker). Washington increased the recruiting efforts of Bin Laden because it made potential recruits feel like they were worthy and powerful enough to scare and compete with a superpower.

The old Republican Party - the isolationists who opposed FDR and Truman - didn't want to make Washington a global police man. They didn't think Washington had the ability to improve or save the world militarily, from a centralized place. They knew that it was too expensive. They also didn't think Washington was competent enough to run the globe from a central location. [They didn't think Washington was competent to run a laundromat, so how could it rebuild whole Arab nations?] The old Republican Party also didn't trust bureaucratic planners because those planners were human; and: humans are imperfect and prone to corruption. Worse: they might occasionally start wars under false pretenses. This is why the old Republican Party feared centralized power because they didn't think humans were competent enough to control/wield it. [Suffice it to say: the new Republican Party trusts government power immensely. They buy into Washington's War rhetoric hook line and sinker. They Trusted Every Word Reagan and Bush I & II Said About War]

The new Republican party - nudged out of its isolationism by anti-communism in the 50s and 60s - believes wholeheartedly in the "War on Terror" and the "Axis of Evil". More specifically, they believe in giving Washington massive increases in money and centralized power to police the globe, improve the world by spreading democracy, and delivering us into an idealized world of total safety. The old Republican Party understood that the world was a dangerous place and they didn't walk around with the fear of the new Republican Party. Therefore, the old Republican Party would never have given Washington the power to set up a MASSIVE surveillance bureaucracy in order to protect Americans from a threat that had a lower statistical likelihood than getting struck by lightning.

The Axis of Evil and War on Terror uses a very real threat to increase the spending and power of Washington.

The Leftist voter had the courage to oppose LBJ's foreign policy.

The Rightwing voter always supports Republican Presidents in matters of War.

The Rightwing voter never questions his party when it is in charge of Washington.

If a Republican President takes back the White House in 2016, he will re-kindle the War on Terror. And the Tea Party will be his obedient attack dogs. They won't question a thing.

I suspect that "very real threat" you mentioned has also been carefully cultivated by those who profit most from wars they seldom get close to. For example, at the end of WWII it wasn't Muslim religious fundamentalists playing the role of evil Arabs; it was secular psychopaths like Nasser who was arrogant enough to believe Arab oil actually belonged to Arabs and not to Wall Street banks. It was religious zealots in the Middle East who were subsidized by western interests to counter Arab nationalism. The ultimate efficacy of that policy was on full display on 9/11/2001.

FWIW, I think you're right again about right-wing warriors in 2016; however, I'm not sure we'll be able to borrow enough money at that time to fund mass killing on the opposite side of the globe. I wonder if Jeb will be the Bush to bring the War on Terror to Mexico?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Those poor, peaceful, oppressed, innocent, north korean commies........if only we understood them better.......lol

 

[depotoo]

george, you ignored the fact your source is incorrect re: Korea.

Also, curious to see your response to these -
Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school
Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian

On Tuesday afternoon, Taliban militants attacked and seriously injured Malala Yousafzai, a fourteen-year-old campaigner for education for girls in Mingora, a town in Swat Valley, in Pakistan’s North Western Frontier Province. Malala was returning home from school when the men attacked; a fellow-student and a teacher were injured as well.

The Shooting of Malala Yousafzai, The Girl Who Wanted to Go to School : The New Yorker
Taliban beheads 17 Afghan partygoers; 2 NATO troops killed - The Washington Post

 

[georgephillip]

Which one of my Korean sources is incorrect?

 

[rightwinger]

Why not negotiate with North Korea? This is th way the game has been played for 60 years. They act all crazy threatening everyone. We offer them some trade I they stop acting crazy and they claim victory

Big deal

 

[Mr. Shaman]

How dumb is our leadership? Negotiate with N Korea AGAIN

....More-commonly-referred-to as.....another DEM......​

....cleaning-UP....after another BUSH!​

"In June 1994, former President Carter went to North Korea to negotiate with Kim Il Sung, president of North Korea. These negotiations were a great success. North Korea committed to freezing its plutonium weapons program in exchange for two proliferation-resistant nuclear reactors and other aid. As President Carter explained,

Responding to a standing invitation from North Korean President Kim Il Sung and with the approval of President Bill Clinton, I went to Pyongyang and helped to secure an agreement that North Korea would cease its nuclear program at Yongbyon and permit I.A.E.A. inspectors to return to the site to assure that the spent fuel was not reprocessed. In return, the United States and our allies subsequently assured the North Koreans that there would be no nuclear threat to them, that a supply of fuel oil would be provided to replace the power lost by terminating the Yongbyon nuclear program and that two modern nuclear plants would also be provided, with their fuel supplies to be monitored by international inspectors. [Carter, "Engaging North Korea," The New York Times, October 27, 2002]

And, in spite of what the righties will tell you, the North Koreans kept this agreement. The plutonium processing at Yongbyon and elsewhere stopped, and IAEA inspectors were allowed back into North Korea. The plutonium processors were sealed with IAEA seals.

But then there was Bush.

Kim Dae Jung came to Washington in March 2001 to pay respects to the new U.S. President Bush and ask for his support for the Sunshine Policy. And what happened?

Bush dissed him, that's what. The arrogant little twerp snubbed a Nobel Prize winner and friend to America. And when word of the snub reached North Korea, the "Sunshine Policy" died.

That's right, folks....when it comes to fuckin'-UP.....NOBODY gets the job done like Lil' DUMBYA!!!!!

 

[depotoo]

Which one of my Korean sources is incorrect?

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Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip

Most Americans are unaware of the US kill rate during the Korean War which equaled more than one 911 per day for each and every one of the 1100 days of a conflict which would never have occurred if the US hadn't prevented Korean independence in 1945. That could make some people foot-stomping mad.

Quote: Originally Posted by depotoo
hey george, mind providing a link?

Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip
You probably won't approve of my source, but here it is:

"The US may have killed 20% of the population of Korea, said General Curtis Lemay, who was involved in the US air war on Korea. If so, that is a higher rate of genocidal slaughter than what the Nazis inflicted on Poland or the Soviet Union.

"The Korean War may be unknown ancient history to us, but it is no more ancient history to Koreans than the Nakba is to Palestinians."

North Korea?s Justifiable Anger » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The body count in Korea is controversial,
Can you suggest a reliable authority we might both agree on?

Quote: Originally Posted by depotoo
of course I don't, and your figure includes all deaths in that war, thus includes the killing of all by all. And we provided 300,000 soldiers to fight that war in which almost 34,000 were killed. That in itself is a rate of 11.3% US soldiers involved were killed.

The entire population of Korea in 1949 was over 20 million people. Even according to the highest exagerrated stats of those killed there that would have been less than 5% of the population there.
You also seem to not realize there were 20 other nations from the UN that participated in that war.

 

[depotoo]

Why not negotiate with North Korea? This is th way the game has been played for 60 years. They act all crazy threatening everyone. We offer them some trade I they stop acting crazy and they claim victory

Big deal

could have something to do with they now have nuclear weapons, which they didn't for those 60 years...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Snip:

The United States and Japan on Sunday offered new talks with North Korea to resolve the increasingly dangerous standoff over its nuclear and missile programs, but said the reclusive communist government first must lower tensions and honor previous agreements.

Sound familiar? Do you suppose it will be magically different this time?

It's GOTTA be!!!

Lil' Dumbya is (finally) engaged with a task, for which he's well-prepared.....PICKIN'-UP DOG-SHIT!!!!

You make this tooooooooooooo EASY, Grampa Murked U!!!
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