How is it that republican voters justify voting suppression by the GOP?

[Pete7469]

I’m sorry, all I can do is laugh.

That's all you need to do.

Anything other than ridicule is a waste of time. These are parrots we're laughing at, not cognizant adults.

 

[jc456]

Here are some important points to consider:

1) No one even thought this was a problem before Obama’s administration. Hmm what interesting timing. Why did no one care about it? Because it has always been statistically very RARE and therefore pointless to come up with policy to fight it. All it really accomplishes is keeping legal voters from casting their votes.

2) It goes beyond new extra ID requirements. It also involves closing voting stations in key democratic voting areas. How in the hell do you justify shit like that?

3) Do republican voters not care the GOP is doing this simply because it helps their side win? Is that the real truth?

4) Oh and just to state the obvious, just because dead people are still on voting records, it doesn’t somehow magically mean actual votes are being cast from these dead people. This shouldn’t have to be spelled out.

What is ironic is the vast majority of illegal votes are for republicans.

it's still wrong.

 

[fncceo]

The only votes the GOP would like to suppress are illegal votes....the question is...why is the DNC in favor of illegal votes?....

Um we aren’t. It just doesn’t happen enough to fucking matter.

Interesting change of position from...

"It's a myth!' to 'It doesn't happen THAT much'.

Winning.

 

[PredFan]

Here are some important points to consider:

1) No one even thought this was a problem before Obama’s administration. Hmm what interesting timing. Why did no one care about it? Because it has always been statistically very RARE and therefore pointless to come up with policy to fight it. All it really accomplishes is keeping legal voters from casting their votes.

2) It goes beyond new extra ID requirements. It also involves closing voting stations in key democratic voting areas. How in the hell do you justify shit like that?

3) Do republican voters not care the GOP is doing this simply because it helps their side win? Is that the real truth?

4) Oh and just to state the obvious, just because dead people are still on voting records, it doesn’t somehow magically mean actual votes are being cast from these dead people. This shouldn’t have to be spelled out.

I don’t have to justify what doesn’t exist.

 

[Billy000]

The only votes the GOP would like to suppress are illegal votes....the question is...why is the DNC in favor of illegal votes?....

Um we aren’t. It just doesn’t happen enough to fucking matter.

Interesting change of position from...

"It's a myth!' to 'It doesn't happen THAT much'.

Winning.

Who called it a myth? Either way it basically is with how incredibly rare it is. Also, quit pretending you thought this was a problem before the GOP told you it was.

 

[Meathead]

Do you have to be an American citizen to get a fishing lisence too?

I'll take this question to imply that you're concerned with ineligible people voting, and address that instead of what you actually asked.

I'd note that I said I am sensitive to unnecessary burdens on voting, not to there existing any burdens whatsoever. In order to register to vote, someone should clearly need to establish their eligibility. There's no problem with that, although following the principle I suggested states should take seriously their obligation to make that process easy for everyone who wants to vote. The same is true for actually voting.

I have no theoretical objection to voter ID requirements at the time of voting, in conjunction with voter registration requirements. But such requirements must (in my view) be paired with programs to ensure that the burden on acquiring the ID is minimal. The same is true for other voting burdens. States shouldn't close polling locations strategically in order to disadvantage voters in urban areas. States shouldn't impose licensing fees where they will have the effect of placing a disproportionate burden on the very poorest, who have the same right to vote as everyone else. A voter ID policy which takes those problems seriously is not inherently problematic, but that's not usually how they've been implemented.

Also, while I have no theoretical objection I do have a practical objection, for much the same reason I'd guess that there's too much bureaucracy around fishing licenses: voter ID laws aren't actually accomplishing anything. If I'm sensitive to placing burdens on voting, that's especially true if the costs have no associated benefit. Voter ID laws only address one possible form of voter fraud, and there is no evidence of any significant problem of voter fraud of that type. Instead, it's very clear that the primary motive behind GOP support for voter ID laws is really to gain an advantage in election outcomes, usually by making it harder for members of Democrat-leaning groups to vote. I grant that many voters believe what they are told about the threat of voter fraud, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence to support claims that voter ID laws are necessary. Nor does it change the fact that several voter ID laws have been struck down on the grounds that they target specific groups in order to make it harder for them to vote. Laws which pretend to be concerned with fraud but which are really only concerned with gaining an electoral advantage are illegitimate in my view.

I was simply pointing out a false equivalency. It is not difficult at all to procure a lisence, but only a passport, to the best of my knowledge provides both a photo and proof of citizenship.

A national ID card which proves citizenship is an extremely logical solution practised by practically every other country in the world.

 

[Avatar4321]

The vote of the dead and illegals is supposed to be suppressed

 

[fncceo]

The only votes the GOP would like to suppress are illegal votes....the question is...why is the DNC in favor of illegal votes?....

Um we aren’t. It just doesn’t happen enough to fucking matter.

Interesting change of position from...

"It's a myth!' to 'It doesn't happen THAT much'.

Winning.

Who called it a myth? Either way it basically is with how incredibly rare it is. Also, quit pretending you thought this was a problem before the GOP told you it was.

You got it wrong. I told the GOP it was a problem.

 

[Darkwind]

Lib please YOU PEOPLE demand multiple forms of ID just to get a fishing license in your Dem run states, enough with your faux voter suppression crap.

I think that the right to vote is fundamental, and far more important than the right to go fishing. Hence, I am more sensitive to problems caused by placing unnecessary burdens on voting than I am to problems caused by placing unnecessary burdens on fishing. That seems reasonable to me.

On the other hand, you could probably convince me that states should reduce the amount of bureaucracy around hunting/fishing licenses, I'm just less likely to focus as much on it as a problem because it's less important.

I wonder if you realize that most minorities consider people who think that the notion that they cannot get an ID because of their race is in fact, a racist thing?

 

[Darkwind]

I’m sorry, all I can do is laugh.

Yeah because you can’t explain how I’m wrong.

You haven't even said anything to prove wrong.

 

[Billy000]

The only votes the GOP would like to suppress are illegal votes....the question is...why is the DNC in favor of illegal votes?....

Um we aren’t. It just doesn’t happen enough to fucking matter.

Interesting change of position from...

"It's a myth!' to 'It doesn't happen THAT much'.

Winning.

Who called it a myth? Either way it basically is with how incredibly rare it is. Also, quit pretending you thought this was a problem before the GOP told you it was.

You got it wrong. I told the GOP it was a problem.

I’ll take that as an admission.

 

[fncceo]

The only votes the GOP would like to suppress are illegal votes....the question is...why is the DNC in favor of illegal votes?....

Um we aren’t. It just doesn’t happen enough to fucking matter.

Interesting change of position from...

"It's a myth!' to 'It doesn't happen THAT much'.

Winning.

Who called it a myth? Either way it basically is with how incredibly rare it is. Also, quit pretending you thought this was a problem before the GOP told you it was.

You got it wrong. I told the GOP it was a problem.

I’ll take that as an admission.

Totally. Proud member of the Elders of Zion. Controlling World events since 3,000 BCE.

 

[Tax Man]

The vote of the dead and illegals is supposed to be suppressed

Talk to your county registrar of of voters.

 

[LaDexter]

Proud member of the Elders of Zion

and b-lined straight to "conspiracy topic" to shout down the TRUTHERS...

Your Hebrew to English translation software has limits....

We see them, you apparently do not.


LOL

 

[jc456]

Do you have to be an American citizen to get a fishing lisence too?

I'll take this question to imply that you're concerned with ineligible people voting, and address that instead of what you actually asked.

I'd note that I said I am sensitive to unnecessary burdens on voting, not to there existing any burdens whatsoever. In order to register to vote, someone should clearly need to establish their eligibility. There's no problem with that, although following the principle I suggested states should take seriously their obligation to make that process easy for everyone who wants to vote. The same is true for actually voting.

I have no theoretical objection to voter ID requirements at the time of voting, in conjunction with voter registration requirements. But such requirements must (in my view) be paired with programs to ensure that the burden on acquiring the ID is minimal. The same is true for other voting burdens. States shouldn't close polling locations strategically in order to disadvantage voters in urban areas. States shouldn't impose licensing fees where they will have the effect of placing a disproportionate burden on the very poorest, who have the same right to vote as everyone else. A voter ID policy which takes those problems seriously is not inherently problematic, but that's not usually how they've been implemented.

Also, while I have no theoretical objection I do have a practical objection, for much the same reason I'd guess that there's too much bureaucracy around fishing licenses: voter ID laws aren't actually accomplishing anything. If I'm sensitive to placing burdens on voting, that's especially true if the costs have no associated benefit. Voter ID laws only address one possible form of voter fraud, and there is no evidence of any significant problem of voter fraud of that type. Instead, it's very clear that the primary motive behind GOP support for voter ID laws is really to gain an advantage in election outcomes, usually by making it harder for members of Democrat-leaning groups to vote. I grant that many voters believe what they are told about the threat of voter fraud, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence to support claims that voter ID laws are necessary. Nor does it change the fact that several voter ID laws have been struck down on the grounds that they target specific groups in order to make it harder for them to vote. Laws which pretend to be concerned with fraud but which are really only concerned with gaining an electoral advantage are illegitimate in my view.

I was simply pointing out a false equivalency. It is not difficult at all to procure a lisence, but only a passport, to the best of my knowledge provides both a photo and proof of citizenship.

A national ID card which proves citizenship is an extremely logical solution practised by practically every other country in the world.

and they're free to get.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The vote of the dead and illegals is supposed to be suppressed

/----/ Dead voters are not up to speed on current events.

 

[well named]

I wonder if you realize that most minorities consider people who think that the notion that they cannot get an ID because of their race is in fact, a racist thing?

That is not a claim I've made. As far as what most people believe, I'm not aware of any survey data on the question as you've asked it, but I've seen survey data which suggests that black and hispanic voters are more likely to agree with my general principle that we should make it easy to vote than white voters are.

 

[Meathead]

I wonder if you realize that most minorities consider people who think that the notion that they cannot get an ID because of their race is in fact, a racist thing?

That is not a claim I've made. As far as what most people believe, I'm not aware of any survey data on the question as you've asked it, but I've seen survey data which suggests that black and hispanic voters are more likely to agree with my general principle that we should make it easy to vote than white voters are.

I understand that Hispanics in the US are heavily in favor of minimal voter requirements, whether citizens or legal or illegal residents.

They agree with you.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Here are some important points to consider:

1) No one even thought this was a problem before Obama’s administration. Hmm what interesting timing. Why did no one care about it? Because it has always been statistically very RARE and therefore pointless to come up with policy to fight it. All it really accomplishes is keeping legal voters from casting their votes.

2) It goes beyond new extra ID requirements. It also involves closing voting stations in key democratic voting areas. How in the hell do you justify shit like that?

3) Do republican voters not care the GOP is doing this simply because it helps their side win? Is that the real truth?

4) Oh and just to state the obvious, just because dead people are still on voting records, it doesn’t somehow magically mean actual votes are being cast from these dead people. This shouldn’t have to be spelled out.

What voter suppression? requiring an ID is not suppression......anyone can get one.....it's not rocket science

 

[BluesLegend]

Lib please YOU PEOPLE demand multiple forms of ID just to get a fishing license in your Dem run states, enough with your faux voter suppression crap.

I think that the right to vote is fundamental, and far more important than the right to go fishing. Hence, I am more sensitive to problems caused by placing unnecessary burdens on voting than I am to problems caused by placing unnecessary burdens on fishing. That seems reasonable to me.

On the other hand, you could probably convince me that states should reduce the amount of bureaucracy around hunting/fishing licenses, I'm just less likely to focus as much on it as a problem because it's less important.

The poor trying to feed themselves you people charge them a fee and require multiple forms of ID for the privilege of fishing. Yet selecting a POTUS should require no ID whatsoever? Get real.