How is Jesus the Messiah?

[TNHarley]

I love this site

 

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Seems to me that Indeependent is downplaying the Jewish prophecy of a king who will rule forever.

He wants to pretend it doesn't exist.

Like it isn't a big deal. Oy Vey!

Maybe if he pointed to the prophecies he believed were valid about the great Jewish king who would rule forever we could better understand his position.

 

[ding]

Here's where I have gotten to on trying to identify where the Bible mentions the Jewish Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
The Messiah would be born of a virgin.
The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
The Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.
The Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.
The Messiah would be called Immanuel.
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.
The Messiah would be rejected by his own people.
The Messiah would be a prophet.
The Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.
The Messiah would be called a Nazarene.
The Messiah would be a great light and illuminate.
The Messiah would speak in parables.
The Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.
The Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah would be called King.
The Messiah would be praised by little children.
The Messiah would be betrayed.
The Messiah would be falsely accused.
The Messiah would be silent before his accusers.
The Messiah would be spat upon and struck.
The Messiah would be hated without cause.
The Messiah would be crucified with criminals.
The Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.
The Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.
The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Maybe Indepeendent can offer up his list since he knows so much about it.

 

[RodISHI]

And I believe that honest men can discuss honest differences of opinion without acting like jerks.

BUT that includes telling people their own prophecy is bullshit because of my hackery, right?

Said the atheist.

Im not an atheist. I dont doubt the existence of a supreme being or a "god" as some say.
I do, however, doubt the abrahamic religions and see them as inconsistent. Also, i would never give knee to a supreme being that wanted complete subordination or be punished, kills infants for sins of the father and creates failure knowing it will be failure for shits and giggles.
Sadistic if you ask me.
Just something else you lied about in this thread.... smh

I don't really give a fuck what either of you are at this point.

Actions speak louder than words.

You failed to turn your cheek.

Looked like ding stands at the right hand and perhaps you may have the the left hand of a full denier...

այտ
ayt
noun
այտ
cheek
ինքնավստահություն
cheek, assuredness
անամոթություն
cheek, brass, impudence, effrontery
verb
հանդուգն խոսքեր ասել
cheek

 

[Indeependent]

The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Psalm 22:17
17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

Zechariah 12 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Mistranslation.
But I believe I have answered TNs question so my job on this thread is done.
When you want to start studying Scripture from Genesis 1:1, let me know.

 

[Indeependent]

BUT that includes telling people their own prophecy is bullshit because of my hackery, right?

Said the atheist.

Im not an atheist. I dont doubt the existence of a supreme being or a "god" as some say.
I do, however, doubt the abrahamic religions and see them as inconsistent. Also, i would never give knee to a supreme being that wanted complete subordination or be punished, kills infants for sins of the father and creates failure knowing it will be failure for shits and giggles.
Sadistic if you ask me.
Just something else you lied about in this thread.... smh

I don't really give a fuck what either of you are at this point.

Actions speak louder than words.

You failed to turn your cheek.

Looked like ding stands at the right hand and perhaps you may have the the left hand of a full denier...

այտ
ayt
noun
այտ
cheek
ինքնավստահություն
cheek, assuredness
անամոթություն
cheek, brass, impudence, effrontery
verb
հանդուգն խոսքեր ասել
cheek

And maybe you guys are pulling nonsense out of thin air.

 

[ding]

The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Psalm 22:17
17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

Zechariah 12 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Mistranslation.
But I believe I have answered TNs question so my job on this thread is done.
When you want to start studying Scripture from Genesis 1:1, let me know.

No. You answered nothing.

You are running away.

 

[Indeependent]

Here's where I have gotten to on trying to identify where the Bible mentions the Jewish Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
The Messiah would be born of a virgin.
The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
The Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.
The Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.
The Messiah would be called Immanuel.
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.
The Messiah would be rejected by his own people.
The Messiah would be a prophet.
The Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.
The Messiah would be called a Nazarene.
The Messiah would be a great light and illuminate.
The Messiah would speak in parables.
The Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.
The Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah would be called King.
The Messiah would be praised by little children.
The Messiah would be betrayed.
The Messiah would be falsely accused.
The Messiah would be silent before his accusers.
The Messiah would be spat upon and struck.
The Messiah would be hated without cause.
The Messiah would be crucified with criminals.
The Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.
The Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.
The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Maybe Indepeendent can offer up his list since he knows so much about it.

Immanuel is born later in the chapter.
And you still have no idea how many times the Hebrew has been perverted.

 

[Indeependent]

The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Psalm 22:17
17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

Zechariah 12 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Mistranslation.
But I believe I have answered TNs question so my job on this thread is done.
When you want to start studying Scripture from Genesis 1:1, let me know.

No. You answered nothing.

You are running away.

I’m bored.
You admitted you never read anything in context.
The judge has dismissed you from the witness stand.

 

[ding]

Here's where I have gotten to on trying to identify where the Bible mentions the Jewish Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
The Messiah would be born of a virgin.
The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
The Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.
The Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.
The Messiah would be called Immanuel.
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.
The Messiah would be rejected by his own people.
The Messiah would be a prophet.
The Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.
The Messiah would be called a Nazarene.
The Messiah would be a great light and illuminate.
The Messiah would speak in parables.
The Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.
The Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah would be called King.
The Messiah would be praised by little children.
The Messiah would be betrayed.
The Messiah would be falsely accused.
The Messiah would be silent before his accusers.
The Messiah would be spat upon and struck.
The Messiah would be hated without cause.
The Messiah would be crucified with criminals.
The Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.
The Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.
The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Maybe Indepeendent can offer up his list since he knows so much about it.

Immanuel is born later in the chapter.
And you still have no idea how many times the Hebrew has been perverted.

You can't even provide the scripture for your belief that a Jewish king will rule forever.

You deny your own people.

 

[ding]

The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Psalm 22:17
17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

Zechariah 12 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Mistranslation.
But I believe I have answered TNs question so my job on this thread is done.
When you want to start studying Scripture from Genesis 1:1, let me know.

No. You answered nothing.

You are running away.

I’m bored.
You admitted you never read anything in context.
The judge has dismissed you from the witness stand.

No. You are defeated.

You can't tell us what it was.

You can only criticize people who can.

 

[Indeependent]

Here's where I have gotten to on trying to identify where the Bible mentions the Jewish Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
The Messiah would be born of a virgin.
The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
The Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.
The Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.
The Messiah would be called Immanuel.
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.
The Messiah would be rejected by his own people.
The Messiah would be a prophet.
The Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.
The Messiah would be called a Nazarene.
The Messiah would be a great light and illuminate.
The Messiah would speak in parables.
The Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.
The Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah would be called King.
The Messiah would be praised by little children.
The Messiah would be betrayed.
The Messiah would be falsely accused.
The Messiah would be silent before his accusers.
The Messiah would be spat upon and struck.
The Messiah would be hated without cause.
The Messiah would be crucified with criminals.
The Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.
The Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.
The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Maybe Indepeendent can offer up his list since he knows so much about it.

Immanuel is born later in the chapter.
And you still have no idea how many times the Hebrew has been perverted.

You can't even provide the scripture for your belief that a Jewish king will rule forever.

You deny your own people.

Hint: It’s in the book of Genesis.
It’s a verse you use and I bet you don’t even know who says it or when.

 

[RodISHI]

Said the atheist.

Im not an atheist. I dont doubt the existence of a supreme being or a "god" as some say.
I do, however, doubt the abrahamic religions and see them as inconsistent. Also, i would never give knee to a supreme being that wanted complete subordination or be punished, kills infants for sins of the father and creates failure knowing it will be failure for shits and giggles.
Sadistic if you ask me.
Just something else you lied about in this thread.... smh

I don't really give a fuck what either of you are at this point.

Actions speak louder than words.

You failed to turn your cheek.

Looked like ding stands at the right hand and perhaps you may have the the left hand of a full denier...

այտ
ayt
noun
այտ
cheek
ինքնավստահություն
cheek, assuredness
անամոթություն
cheek, brass, impudence, effrontery
verb
հանդուգն խոսքեր ասել
cheek

And maybe you guys are pulling nonsense out of thin air.

Perhaps in your mind but hey ding nor I deny the spirit that wrote the scriptures but apparently you fully deny that spirit. Which I suppose is your right to do as a human but it is also mine or anyone else's to tell you that you are in error.

 

[Indeependent]

The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Psalm 22:17
17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

Zechariah 12 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Mistranslation.
But I believe I have answered TNs question so my job on this thread is done.
When you want to start studying Scripture from Genesis 1:1, let me know.

No. You answered nothing.

You are running away.

I’m bored.
You admitted you never read anything in context.
The judge has dismissed you from the witness stand.

No. You are defeated.

You can't tell us what it was.

You can only criticize people who can.

Psalms 22...Who’s saying this verse?

 

[ding]

You admitted you never read anything in context.

You just bore false witness against me.

You are failing the test.

 

[Indeependent]

Im not an atheist. I dont doubt the existence of a supreme being or a "god" as some say.
I do, however, doubt the abrahamic religions and see them as inconsistent. Also, i would never give knee to a supreme being that wanted complete subordination or be punished, kills infants for sins of the father and creates failure knowing it will be failure for shits and giggles.
Sadistic if you ask me.
Just something else you lied about in this thread.... smh

I don't really give a fuck what either of you are at this point.

Actions speak louder than words.

You failed to turn your cheek.

Looked like ding stands at the right hand and perhaps you may have the the left hand of a full denier...

այտ
ayt
noun
այտ
cheek
ինքնավստահություն
cheek, assuredness
անամոթություն
cheek, brass, impudence, effrontery
verb
հանդուգն խոսքեր ասել
cheek

And maybe you guys are pulling nonsense out of thin air.

Perhaps in your mind but hey ding nor I deny the spirit that wrote the scriptures but apparently you fully deny that spirit. Which I suppose is your right to do as a human but it is also mine or anyone else's to tell you that you are in error.

I’m sure you buy things all the time without reading all the specs.

 

[Indeependent]

You admitted you never read anything in context.

You just bore false witness against me.

You are failing the test.

Psalms 22...who’s saying the verse?

 

[ding]

Here's where I have gotten to on trying to identify where the Bible mentions the Jewish Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
The Messiah would be born of a virgin.
The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
The Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.
The Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.
The Messiah would be called Immanuel.
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.
The Messiah would be rejected by his own people.
The Messiah would be a prophet.
The Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.
The Messiah would be called a Nazarene.
The Messiah would be a great light and illuminate.
The Messiah would speak in parables.
The Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.
The Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah would be called King.
The Messiah would be praised by little children.
The Messiah would be betrayed.
The Messiah would be falsely accused.
The Messiah would be silent before his accusers.
The Messiah would be spat upon and struck.
The Messiah would be hated without cause.
The Messiah would be crucified with criminals.
The Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.
The Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.
The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Maybe Indepeendent can offer up his list since he knows so much about it.

Immanuel is born later in the chapter.
And you still have no idea how many times the Hebrew has been perverted.

You can't even provide the scripture for your belief that a Jewish king will rule forever.

You deny your own people.

Hint: It’s in the book of Genesis.
It’s a verse you use and I bet you don’t even know who says it or when.

Maybe you can offer up your list since you know so much about the Jewish king whose rule will last forever.

No. You can't.

 

[ding]

Here's where I have gotten to on trying to identify where the Bible mentions the Jewish Messiah.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
The Messiah would be born of a virgin.
The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
The Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
The Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.
The Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.
The Messiah would be called Immanuel.
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.
The Messiah would be rejected by his own people.
The Messiah would be a prophet.
The Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.
The Messiah would be called a Nazarene.
The Messiah would be a great light and illuminate.
The Messiah would speak in parables.
The Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.
The Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
The Messiah would be called King.
The Messiah would be praised by little children.
The Messiah would be betrayed.
The Messiah would be falsely accused.
The Messiah would be silent before his accusers.
The Messiah would be spat upon and struck.
The Messiah would be hated without cause.
The Messiah would be crucified with criminals.
The Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.
The Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.
The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.

Maybe Indepeendent can offer up his list since he knows so much about it.

Immanuel is born later in the chapter.
And you still have no idea how many times the Hebrew has been perverted.

When you can provide the scriptures that you believe are valid prophecies for the coming of the Jewish Messiah, we can talk.

Until then, I will continue to provide them for you.

 

[RodISHI]

I don't really give a fuck what either of you are at this point.

Actions speak louder than words.

You failed to turn your cheek.

Looked like ding stands at the right hand and perhaps you may have the the left hand of a full denier...

այտ
ayt
noun
այտ
cheek
ինքնավստահություն
cheek, assuredness
անամոթություն
cheek, brass, impudence, effrontery
verb
հանդուգն խոսքեր ասել
cheek

And maybe you guys are pulling nonsense out of thin air.

Perhaps in your mind but hey ding nor I deny the spirit that wrote the scriptures but apparently you fully deny that spirit. Which I suppose is your right to do as a human but it is also mine or anyone else's to tell you that you are in error.

I’m sure you buy things all the time without reading all the specs.

Since you are so sure then you will have no problem when the spirit of truth sets you to your knees or on your face full out on the ground eating dirt.