How long can they hold Kim Davis?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You are being ridiculous. She is not being jailed for her religious beliefs.

She is contempt of a court order. She willfully disobeyed. She told the court that she would continue to disobey. She was placed in jail to coerce her obedience with the court's order. She can get out of jail anytime she wants if she agrees to obey the court's order. She is still entitled to believe anything she wants.

Why is she willfully disobeying?
Because of her religious beliefs that marriage should be between one man and one woman.

True. Based on her personal life, it appears that she believes that marriage should be between one woman, and four men (or maybe 3 men, with one husband, twice).

All done before she became a Christian.

...and yet, she is violating her oath of office, which involves the words, "...so help me god", after she became a Christian. Of course, I don't know if her fingers were crossed at the time....

So is President Obama.
In Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States, it says that "The president sees that the laws are faithfully executed."

Since President Obama ordered that the laws on immigration will NOT be faithfully executed, should he be impeached for breaking his Oath of Office of the President of the United States?

This is a lie and fails as a false comparison fallacy with regard to Davis.

This is also typical of rightwing partisan idiocy; a president can be 'impeached' because the sky is blue, but the merits of such an indictment will determine if a conviction in the Senate can be won – and no 'conviction' is warranted simply because of your subjective animosity toward a president, or because he belongs to the 'wrong' party, or because you don't approve of how a president is doing his job.

 

[Debra K]

So, since she cannot be fired and is refusing to obey a court order...can the state or county revoke her position? Like...impeach or some such thing similar?

Only the state legislature can take action to impeach her and strip her of her office.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

they have got to let her out sometime. When is that? When is her sentence up?

When she decided to comply or is voted out of office. Whichever comes first. She might be there a while.

I am sure that by the time she is out of the slammer, she will have come up with at least 20 reasons why the rest of us will burn in hell...like her husband, who walked around today with a sign reading, "Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah" (Does this guy even have a job?)

It's clear he doesn't have a clue.

He's been trying to propagate some ridiculous lie about gay Americans trying to 'force homosexuality' on he and his wife – it would seem that the husband and those who agree with him are truly this ignorant, or truly this dishonest.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The ignorance of our judicial system exhibited in this and other threads about Davis is both remarkable and troubling.

Davis has been afforded her full and comprehensive right to due process of the law, up to and including an appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States.

Davis has been lawfully found in contempt of court, and she made the decision of her own free will to be held in custody – and she is being held per her decision alone.

Davis is not a 'victim.'

Davis is not a 'martyr.'

Davis is not being 'punished.'

Davis is not being 'persecuted' because of her religion, beliefs, or convictions.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment, there are no Free Exercise Clause issues at stake; this has nothing to do with the 14th Amendment, there are no Due Process Clause or Equal Protection Clause issues at stake.

This is solely about a state officer refusing to acknowledge and obey Article VI of the Constitution, and her decision to be jailed as a consequence.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The court can hold Davis in jail until she complies with the court's direction.

How long can they hold Kim Davis?

 

[BULLDOG]

The judge told her she would determine how long she would be in jail. As soon as she agrees to follow the law, or resign and pass her duties to someone else, she's out.

I remember when the left thought that unlimited detention without a trial was a violation of someone's human rights...wait...that was only for terrorist and people who want to destroy america. How come the UN isn't complaining...wait...same reason.

She was given plenty of due process. A hearing was held and the facts were ascertained. The judge then issued a preliminary injunction, which enjoins enforcement of her unconstitutional policy of "no marriage licenses". She is appealing, but there is no likelihood that her appeal will be successful. Thus, both the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to stay the injunction pending appeal. Therefore, the preliminary injunction must be obeyed ... but she has engaged in willful disobedience. This is a civil contempt proceeding and Kim Davis had her day in court. A hearing was held and Kim Davis essentially told the Court that she will never obey. Kim Davis has the keys to her jail cell in her own pocket. When she informs the court that she will obey the preliminary injunction, then she will be released.

As of today, she still remains defiant of the Court's order. Her attorneys are telling the public that the marriage licenses issued today by her deputy clerk are invalid because they were issued without her authority. She's continuing her obstruction even from her jail cell. She can get out of her jail cell anytime she wants ... she just doesn't want out because she thinks she's God's voice and vessel. She's a moron.

Same-sex couples issued marriage licenses in Rowan County; jailed clerk claims licenses are void

Yeah
Only the left are allowed to protest.

She can protest all she wants from inside her cell.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Why is she willfully disobeying?
Because of her religious beliefs that marriage should be between one man and one woman.

True. Based on her personal life, it appears that she believes that marriage should be between one woman, and four men (or maybe 3 men, with one husband, twice).

All done before she became a Christian.

...and yet, she is violating her oath of office, which involves the words, "...so help me god", after she became a Christian. Of course, I don't know if her fingers were crossed at the time....

So is President Obama.
In Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States, it says that "The president sees that the laws are faithfully executed."

Since President Obama ordered that the laws on immigration will NOT be faithfully executed, should he be impeached for breaking his Oath of Office of the President of the United States?

This thread is not about Obama. If you think he is shirking his duties, contact your representatives in Congress. Ask them to bring impeachment proceedings.

Your complaints about the president have nothing to do with Kim Davis.

I ran against gay marriage before I advocated it.

 

[SwimExpert]

She has lived there all here life in an area that is literally inbreed culturally and intellectually with a very low educational levels resulting in the susceptibility to fundamentalist christianity , If anyone has ever driven through Kentucky there are a lot of places like that

Speaking of the intellectually challenged and low educational levels, look at this monstrosity of a sentence. Those who live in glass houses....

 

[CowboyTed]

they have got to let her out sometime. When is that? When is her sentence up?

They MIGHT be able to hold her until her elected term is up. Had she been a democrat she would be home by now.

You must feel like a real idiot with that statement....

 

[SwimExpert]

Why is she willfully disobeying?
Because of her religious beliefs that marriage should be between one man and one woman.

Her reasons are irrelevant. The law only cares that she has an obligation to fulfill as a government official, and that she refuses to fulfill those obligations.

 

[SwimExpert]

Her 1st amendment rights are.

There is no first amendment right to violate the first amendment.

 

[HappyJoy]

Seriously, I hope they treat her for her mental illness in jail

There were a lot of the OWS who should have had the same thing done to them.

They were government employees forcing their religious views on others? I agree many in the OWS, just like Kim really need to wash their hair, other than that there is no comparison.

But you can't see that government has forced her which is what she feels.

Shitting on a cop car is far from normal.

When you combine civic responsibility with every inkling of personal religious conviction you create a society impossible to move forward. She is gone, out of office and society is better for it. End of story, now all of our lives can move forward and everyone can get married as they personally see fit. Life is grand, even in Kentucky.

Never mind that we have moved forward very nicely since 1776 with religious morals.

Never mind that whole wall of separation thing.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why is she willfully disobeying?
Because of her religious beliefs that marriage should be between one man and one woman.

Her reasons are irrelevant. The law only cares that she has an obligation to fulfill as a government official, and that she refuses to fulfill those obligations.

Or let anyone else in her office do so, which really fucks her. If you can't be any part of something, you quit. You don't hang around cashing a paycheck signed by evil doers...

 

[CowboyTed]

Listen Righties....

This woman when sworn in to uphold the federal and state constitutions and laws. She did that with a hand on the Bible...

I am also sure she has issued marriages to people who have been divorced. Which is clearly forbidden by the bible.

She is jail for not following the orders of the court, it is a corrective measure and she can either quit due to her unable to follow her oath or follow her oath.

But lets make it clear she swore to perform her duties and now she is not doing that.

 

[Freewill]

I still would like someone to post the law she is in violation of.

What law, at least in her state, states that marriage is between a man and a woman? Someone, anyone, point out in the COTUS where it is even implied that the federal government has a say in state issues. Of course it doesn't. And of course this has been argued over and over. But the truth is there is no law making gay marriage legal. There is only a SCOTUS ruling saying that laws banning certain laws. A ruling based on social bias then law.

 

[Freewill]

No court has ever ordered California to "comply with immigration laws".

And Kim Davis isn't being "punished" for anything.

Since when is being jailed for one's religious beliefs (or anything else) not a punishment?

It's coercion more than punishment. She should try obeying the law instead.

Works the same way when we jail a material witness in order to compel them to testify.

What exact law? What are her charges? Certainly you can say a judges order but what is that order based upon? What law explicitly says anything about gay marriage except in states that actually passed such laws, this isn't one of them?

 

[SwimExpert]

I still would like someone to post the law she is in violation of.

It's already been done. Get with the program.

 

[SwimExpert]

Someone, anyone, point out in the COTUS where it is even implied that the federal government has a say in state issues.

It's called the Supremacy Clause. No state can violate the constitution. No state official can violate the constitution. Now get out of here with this bullshit.

 

[CowboyTed]

I still would like someone to post the law she is in violation of.

What law, at least in her state, states that marriage is between a man and a woman? Someone, anyone, point out in the COTUS where it is even implied that the federal government has a say in state issues. Of course it doesn't. And of course this has been argued over and over. But the truth is there is no law making gay marriage legal. There is only a SCOTUS ruling saying that laws banning certain laws. A ruling based on social bias then law.

Few pages back... Can't keep repeating ourselves to the slow people in the class...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No court has ever ordered California to "comply with immigration laws".

And Kim Davis isn't being "punished" for anything.

Since when is being jailed for one's religious beliefs (or anything else) not a punishment?

It's coercion more than punishment. She should try obeying the law instead.

Works the same way when we jail a material witness in order to compel them to testify.

What exact law? What are her charges? Certainly you can say a judges order but what is that order based upon? What law explicitly says anything about gay marriage except in states that actually passed such laws, this isn't one of them?

1. The gay marriage Supreme Court ruling.
2. Contempt of Court
3. Not obeying a court order, which is Contempt.
4. That is not required since the Supreme Court ruling made all anti-gay marriage laws, nation-wide, void.