How many deaths are necessary before something should be banned?

[AZrailwhale]

How are you going to do universal background checks? California already has that and still has mass shootings

Hell in California, you have to have a background check to buy ammo. Even that hasn’t done any good.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You are a lying piece of crap.

We tell you what needs to be done to actually lower the crime rate......keep violent, repeat offenders locked up...don't let them out on bail...they are the 5% of the criminal population doing all of the shooting....and democrat party judges, politicians, and prosecutors keep releasing them back onto our streets, over and over again......

Conservatives lying about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated’ keeps the Republican base ignorant, frightened, and going to the polls.

It’s also a lie that ‘more guns’ is the solution – it’s not; but it also maintains fear among the Republican base.

Consequently, Republicans will continue to do nothing about gun crime and violence – thoughts and prayers.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How about universal background checks on ALL gun purchases

A sound policy having nothing to do with the regulation of firearms – rejected by Republicans because they – again – have no interest in addressing the problem of gun crime and violence.

 

[Kruska]

I know, but the intent of the 2nd was always very clear, to defend the country from ALL enemies, foreign, AND domestic.

That is your personal interpretation - the 2nd A - never mentions "fire" arms - neither ammo, nor "domestic' threats.

It simply states “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” nothing more nothing less. (ammo can be kept at arsenals - if those Brits or some other outside power should attack the USA).

This even leaves open to interpretation if "bearing arms" only applies to militia members. And if a change in time, aka a single shot musket are to be replaced by modern firearms - since there is furthermore a NG and a US Armed Forces in place. Therefore the 2nd A is totally outdated.

There is also no mentioning, that people need to bear arms "domestic" in order to avoid Trump or his MAGA pack to take power and endanger democracy via insurrections.

Anyhow you don't need to panic, since I own firearms myself, and IMO a general ban onto firearms will not reduce those 30, 000 dead every year - aside those having been victims of mas-shootings with standard or "upgraded" assault rifles.

A general gun test license would need to be introduced - just like a car license and drivers test. And far more severe punishment towards those involved in shootings - both criminal and these so called accidents, caused in vast majority via plain stupidity and carelessness,

 

[westwall]

That is your personal interpretation - the 2nd A - never mentions "fire" arms - neither ammo.

It simply states “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” nothing more nothing less. (ammo can be kept at arsenals - if those Brits or some other outside power should attack the USA).

This even leaves open to interpretation if "bearing arms" only applies to militia members. And if a change in time, aka a single shot musket are to be replaced by modern firearms - since there is furthermore a NG and a US Armed Forces in place. Therefore the 2nd A is totally outdated.

There is also no mentioning, that people need to bear arms in order to avoid Trump or his MAGA pack to take power and endanger democracy via insurrections.

Anyhow you don't need to panic, since I own firearms myself, and IMO a general ban onto firearms will not reduce those 30, 000 dead every year - aside those having been victims of mas-shootings with standard or "upgraded" assault rifles.

A general gun test license would need to be introduced - just like a car license and drivers test. And far more severe punishment towards those involved in shootings - both criminal and these so called accidents, caused in vast majority via plain stupidity and carelessness,

No, aa usual you ignore what the term "well regulated" meant, at the time the 2nd Amendment was written.

At that time the term meant "in good working order" which is why you see that term on clocks manufactured at that time.

Has zero to do with laws, or government control.

 

[Kruska]

No, aa usual you ignore what the term "well regulated" meant, at the time the 2nd Amendment was written.

At that time the term meant "in good working order" which is why you see that term on clocks manufactured at that time.

Has zero to do with laws, or government control.

Well regulated in military terms means: REGULATIONS that ensure the functioning of a militia if called upon - or in action.
Good working order means - arms that function - aka shooting range etc. at e.g. a militia training ground - and not at home or on the street.
Just like no Army personal is allowed to take his military rifle back home - "to oil and clean" it.

To envision some ragtag individuals and wannabe Rambo's armed with pistols and semi-automatic firearms - engaging a foreign military adversary or the NG and the US Armed forces in a "domestic" scenario is plain ludicrous.

 

[westwall]

Well regulated in military terms means: REGULATIONS that ensure the functioning of a militia if called upon - or in action.
Good working order means - arms that function - aka shooting range etc. at e.g. a militia training ground - and not at home or on the street.
Just like no Army personal is allowed to take his military rifle back home - "to oil and clean" it.

To envision some ragtag individuals and wannabe Rambo's armed with pistols and semi-automatic firearms - engaging a foreign military adversary or the NG and the US Armed forces in a "domestic" scenario is plain ludicrous.

It doesn't matter what it means now. What matters is what it meant THEN.

The Founders had just fought a revolution, and didn't trust government.

You are plainly an idiot because that is EXACTLY what happened in Rumania when the Cauczesku's were brought down.

And, more to the point, the American gun owning public outnumbers all of the armies of the world combined, many times over.

Try doing some research. I know you are capable, but on this subject you are ignorant as hell.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No, aa usual you ignore what the term "well regulated" meant, at the time the 2nd Amendment was written.

At that time the term meant "in good working order" which is why you see that term on clocks manufactured at that time.

Has zero to do with laws, or government control.

Wrong.

The Second Amendment exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court – subjective, personal opinions as to the meaning of the Amendment are irrelevant and devoid of merit.

The Supreme Court determines the original intent of the Americmane.

And the Court has consistently held that weapons – including firearms – are subject to government regulation and control.

 

[westwall]

Wrong.

The Second Amendment exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court – subjective, personal opinions as to the meaning of the Amendment are irrelevant and devoid of merit.

The Supreme Court determines the original intent of the Americmane.

And the Court has consistently held that weapons – including firearms – are subject to government regulation and control.

You are, as usual, wrong. Bruen most recently proves you wrong.

Suck it up buttercup.

 

[miketx]

Well he shouldn't just blow it off and continue to spew nonsense if he was wrong. I noticed how he just kept on arguing. Lesh gave him a great response and he just threw another question back at Lesh. And I like Lesh's reply. Basically nothings going to solve all gun violence. But we could pass some common sense gun legislation that would mitigate the number of Americans who are killed by gun violence.

Don't ask "like what?" Bet you won't answer, and then blow it off when I, or LESH (thank you lesh) give you a good answer. Acknowledge it.

So, How about universal background checks on ALL gun purchases?

Dumfuk, they already do background checks. Pull your head out.

 

[miketx]

Wrong.

The Second Amendment exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court – subjective, personal opinions as to the meaning of the Amendment are irrelevant and devoid of merit.

The Supreme Court determines the original intent of the Americmane.

And the Court has consistently held that weapons – including firearms – are subject to government regulation and control.

^^ Liar.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

A sound policy having nothing to do with the regulation of firearms – rejected by Republicans because they – again – have no interest in addressing the problem of gun crime and violence.

Like California's universal background check law?

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[Lesh]

No, aa usual you ignore what the term "well regulated" meant, at the time the 2nd Amendment was written.

At that time the term meant "in good working order" which is why you see that term on clocks manufactured at that time.

Has zero to do with laws, or government control.

Nonsense. Article 2 Section 8 spells out what a militia should look like and what it is to be used for.. and it’s not to attack the government. Just the opposite.

And describes the “regulation “ of that force

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nonsense. Article 2 Section 8 spells out what a militia should look like and what it is to be used for.. and it’s not to attack the government. Just the opposite.

And describes the “regulation “ of that force

You wish to ignore the ruling of the Supreme Court of course, which clearly stated that there is no requirement for a person to be in a militia to own firearms and that it is a personal individual right.

 

[westwall]

Nonsense. Article 2 Section 8 spells out what a militia should look like and what it is to be used for.. and it’s not to attack the government. Just the opposite.

And describes the “regulation “ of that force

Try reading what Founders said about guns, and gun ownership. Then get back to us.

 

[2aguy]

Conservatives lying about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated’ keeps the Republican base ignorant, frightened, and going to the polls.

It’s also a lie that ‘more guns’ is the solution – it’s not; but it also maintains fear among the Republican base.

Consequently, Republicans will continue to do nothing about gun crime and violence – thoughts and prayers.

As democrat statemafter democrat state passes rifle and magazine bans.....and demamd registratiin of existing rifles for later confiscation...

Every country that has registered guns eventually uses those lists to ban and confiscate them you lying, useful idiot.

 

[sealybobo]

how is that going to stop a criminal that doesnt care about the laws??

The point is, that is one example of a common sense gun regulation that’s not already in place. You asked for an example, he gave you one, now you want to argue that it’s not a total solution? There is no total solution dude. But this would cut down on the number of us who are murdered every year.

 

[sealybobo]

Nonsense. Article 2 Section 8 spells out what a militia should look like and what it is to be used for.. and it’s not to attack the government. Just the opposite.

And describes the “regulation “ of that force

It really is funny they want to ignore the entire part about well regulated militia.

 

[Blues Man]

It really is funny they want to ignore the entire part about well regulated militia.

And you like to ignore the part where it says "The Right of the People"

 

[sealybobo]

And you like to ignore the part where it says "The Right of the People"

I’ll be honest. I’d rather you not be a part of a well regulated militia. Then you try to kidnap my governor and Jan 6 us. Enough. We are on to you.

Yesterday I was watching how crooked Rudy won New York. He got the cops to start a riot against the current mayor at the time. It was racist too. No wonder trump and Rudy are buds.