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Yes, seriously.
I don't believe that you believe raising levels of education isn't useful to society.
Of course there is. It's not the governments responsibility to ferret it out.
Finding ways to minimize that wasted potential would benefit the nation.
The fact is that everyone can't be a competent, successful brain surgeon. The left likes to think that anyone can do anything if just given the chance. That would be like saying that if given the training, everyone could run a 4.3 forty and dunk a basketball. It simply isn't the case. People have limitations both physically and mentally. Many jobs surpass the mental capacity of the masses, just as some surpass the physical capacity of the masses. We should all be treated equally, but that doesn't mean everyone is equivalently equipped. That is a pipe dream. Those who are endowed with certain innate abilities are typically rewarded. NFL guys do pretty well I would say. Brain surgeons do well. IMO, neither owes society more than the average as they aren't any more of a drag than the average and in fact, they are typically less dependent.
they would need to violate their oath of office to do that,, along with taking fascist actions to force them,,,you dont have a right to tell others how to handle their potential,,,
I can vote for people that want to help people reach their potential.
Bullshit. The average Journeyman makes $55k. Yes there is a bell curve around that but to sell it like $200k is his earnings is likely an exaggeration. At $25 an hour (the going rate) he’d have to work 152 hours a week to earn that. Shit, working 80 hours a week he’s have to be pulling down $48 an hour. Bull shit.Then you have no point here!
I have gotten to the point where I recognize that at an intellectual level right vs left is just a disagreement about values and morality. That's why none of us ever really change minds here. We're all just barking at the moon.
Oh? I think it is very clear. You either value the work ethic, and support those who are willing to work to get ahead. Or you don't. I have a kid i was tutoring in geology. He's smart, likes learning, but didn't know what he wanted to do with his life. We talked and I suggested he look into a trade school. He found one in Idaho for a electrical lineman. It cost 17,000 and he didn't have the cash for that, though he could have taken out a loan. I told him I would cover it, and he could pay me back at zero interest when he got a job.
We made a handshake agreement and off he went. He had a job before he graduated, and had me paid back before 6 months had passed. Now, he's moved up to a higher paying job and at the ripe old age of 24 he's pulling down 150,000 per year. When he gets his journeyman certificate, he will up that to over 200,000 per year. I have done that several times over the years, and not once has the agreement been not paid back.
There are nephews and nieces that I won't do that for because I know they are not interested in work. They just want to keep going to school so that they don't have to work. one of them is quite the educated little idiot. He has three bachelors degrees, and mountain of debt he will never pay off, and he works at as a bartender.
You might want to look up what California High voltage grid specialists make. He pulls in 3,000 a week after taxes. Before he got the california gig he was in pennsylvania and yes, he was making 28 ish an hour out there.
if they arent paying for it who would teach them??? it takes money to pay teachers and heat buildings,,,The fact is that everyone can't be a competent, successful brain surgeon. The left likes to think that anyone can do anything if just given the chance. That would be like saying that if given the training, everyone could run a 4.3 forty and dunk a basketball. It simply isn't the case. People have limitations both physically and mentally. Many jobs surpass the mental capacity of the masses, just as some surpass the physical capacity of the masses. We should all be treated equally, but that doesn't mean everyone is equivalently equipped. That is a pipe dream. Those who are endowed with certain innate abilities are typically rewarded. NFL guys do pretty well I would say. Brain surgeons do well. IMO, neither owes society more than the average as they aren't any more of a drag than the average and in fact, they are typically less dependent.
How many more people with potential would go to college if they could do it without paying for it themselves?
It depends on what sort of education the person is getting. Studying the aformentioned dung beetle serves no one but the professor who taught the greater fool, the university which hoovered up the student loan, and the government which has now created a useless mouth that will forever need government assistance so must vote for those people who will provide that assistance.
See how that works?
You proved this statement with your post. You win the internet today.The fact is that everyone can't be a competent, successful brain surgeon.
Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?
The distribution of wealth is ultimately determined by the dominant military force.
The economic system is created by the government according to the laws of that government.
Without the U.S. government there would be nothing to protect the wealthy and guarantee their wealth.
So the more you have, the more you are obliged to contribute to the existence of the U.S. government.
I don't really disagree, but the founders never wanted a mercenary military force because people working for pay can never be trusted.
They wanted a volunteer military only, and that does not have to cost anything.
And when you write, "The economic system is created by the government according to the laws of that government", you have to be careful, and remember that WE are supposed to be the government, and laws are only supposed to be according to what is necessary to defend individual rights, or popularly agreed upon to enhance the lives of all.
There is not supposed to be a separate party that is government, and it certainly is not supposed to be above us.
Of, by, and for the People.
My first 2 statements are general principles that apply to every society - not just the U.S.
Here in the U.S. the general rule regarding economics has been "when in doubt - government stay out"
However, there are some basic principles that have to be enforced by law for anything close to a free market economy to exist.
Three of these principles that I can think of are:
- Transactions must be peaceful
- Transactions must be willful
- Contracts must be honored
Never say "free market".
Free market means no regulations or rules at all, which means abuses ranging from monoplies, to holdup at gunpoint.
The correct term for a business friendly environment is "fair market".
That is where everyone has reasonable protection.
No holdups, no scams, no monopolies, etc.
Free market means anything goes.
The fact is that everyone can't be a competent, successful brain surgeon. The left likes to think that anyone can do anything if just given the chance. That would be like saying that if given the training, everyone could run a 4.3 forty and dunk a basketball. It simply isn't the case. People have limitations both physically and mentally. Many jobs surpass the mental capacity of the masses, just as some surpass the physical capacity of the masses. We should all be treated equally, but that doesn't mean everyone is equivalently equipped. That is a pipe dream. Those who are endowed with certain innate abilities are typically rewarded. NFL guys do pretty well I would say. Brain surgeons do well. IMO, neither owes society more than the average as they aren't any more of a drag than the average and in fact, they are typically less dependent.
How many more people with potential would go to college if they could do it without paying for it themselves?
they would need to violate their oath of office to do that,, along with taking fascist actions to force them,,,
Trump fans’ moronic reasoning in this thread:
- Paying taxes isn’t patriotic it’s theft
- Rich people paying no taxes is ok, poor people paying no taxes is screwed up
- College is a grift for suckers
- They have no idea how to calculate taxes
- They have no idea where budgeted money goes
- They have underpaid the spending authorized by their elected officials by nearly $30T and think it went to poor people
- They underpaid spending by $30T and think that paying more to address the gap is Marxism
- They could care less about the deficit under Trump but have a colonoscopy ready for Democratic budgets
- They make no sense
View attachment 434800Bullshit. The average Journeyman makes $55k. Yes there is a bell curve around that but to sell it like $200k is his earnings is likely an exaggeration. At $25 an hour (the going rate) he’d have to work 152 hours a week to earn that. Shit, working 80 hours a week he’s have to be pulling down $48 an hour. Bull shit.Then you have no point here!
I have gotten to the point where I recognize that at an intellectual level right vs left is just a disagreement about values and morality. That's why none of us ever really change minds here. We're all just barking at the moon.
Oh? I think it is very clear. You either value the work ethic, and support those who are willing to work to get ahead. Or you don't. I have a kid i was tutoring in geology. He's smart, likes learning, but didn't know what he wanted to do with his life. We talked and I suggested he look into a trade school. He found one in Idaho for a electrical lineman. It cost 17,000 and he didn't have the cash for that, though he could have taken out a loan. I told him I would cover it, and he could pay me back at zero interest when he got a job.
We made a handshake agreement and off he went. He had a job before he graduated, and had me paid back before 6 months had passed. Now, he's moved up to a higher paying job and at the ripe old age of 24 he's pulling down 150,000 per year. When he gets his journeyman certificate, he will up that to over 200,000 per year. I have done that several times over the years, and not once has the agreement been not paid back.
There are nephews and nieces that I won't do that for because I know they are not interested in work. They just want to keep going to school so that they don't have to work. one of them is quite the educated little idiot. He has three bachelors degrees, and mountain of debt he will never pay off, and he works at as a bartender.
You might want to look up what California High voltage grid specialists make. He pulls in 3,000 a week after taxes. Before he got the california gig he was in pennsylvania and yes, he was making 28 ish an hour out there.
they pay MORE than their fair shareSurely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?
Interesting post, got me to thinking, I am not especially good at advanced robotics, programming, etc. however I do profit from the use of robotics and programming every day. I have an IPhone that does lots of things, a desktop workstation that has programs I use to run my business at a very high level as compared to the past.No job that requires thinking is going to go away. Jobs that require rote memorization are already being replaced by robots. Minimum wage jobs in the service industry are on the way out. That IS a fact. However, most people are incapable of learning advanced concepts in robotics, computer coding etc. There's a reason why computer coders get paid what they do. At least good ones. There is an army of crappy ones that don't make much because they aren't very good at it. Your problem is there is a vast ocean of average people. Average people do average things. They can't be trained to do high level work no matter how hard you try.
