How Obama is discouraging Americans from improving,from earning more $$!

healthmyths

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What happened to encouraging people to improve their lives?
To get more education.
To improve your income and therefore your lifestyle?

Instead today our government is punishing people that want to make more money. Improve their lives. And this is not the 1%! Not the wealthy!

This is for the lower and middle class which makes up MOST of the GDP..

Today our government encourages people NOT to increase their income or they will not get health insurance.
They will NOT get SNAP.

Everything is designed today to keep people from achieving and improving their lives.

Case in point is Obamacare.

When people start paying for the "insurance exchange" in 2014 if they are at a certain income level they'll get a subsidy to help pay.
So today the majority of these people will show their income levels so they can get the subsidies.
BUT if these people get raises. Their raises mean more income. Means when they report taxes in 2015 on 2014 earnings they will have to pay back the
subsidy that was based on their income BEFORE the raise.

So as a result.. the government is telling the people.. you can't make more money because you'll have to pay back what we subsidized in 2014!

For example..
A single, 48-year-old making $36,000 in 2014 in a medium-risk region would receive $3,020 in subsidies (nearly half of the $6,440 annual premium).
Meanwhile, a 28-year-old adult with the exact same income would have a much lower premium ($3,391) -- and therefore wouldn't receive any subsidy at all.

So what happens if you get a subsidy payment in advance and then your spouse suddenly finds a job, boosting your family's income?
You'll need to go through a reconciliation process and pay back some of the subsidy. However, most households will need to repay only a portion of the overestimated subsidy, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Again, the amount you have to pay back will be based on how much you earn.

For example, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, individuals and families making less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level would need to pay back up to $300 and $600, respectively.
Individuals and families making between 400 percent and 450 percent of the federal poverty level would need to repay up to $1,500 and $3,000, respectively.

The Heritage Foundation also points to the immense costs of the subsidy program -- $460 billion by 2019, according to its estimates.

How will health care reform subsidies work?

Again... another concrete example that Obamacare will do as he wants.. encourage MORE dependency on the government.
Discourage independence. Discourage making more money. Discourage people from improving their lives!
 
Who cares what Obama says or does? Improve your position anyway
 
A MSM reporter/ supporter of Obama is critical of Obamacare...

Obamacare Incompetence By Joe Klein April 02, 2013

The Administration has had 3 years to set up these exchanges. It has failed to do so.
This is a really bad sign.
There will be those who argue that it’s not the Administration’s fault.
It’s the fault of the 33 states that have refused to set up their own exchanges. Nonsense.
Where was the contingency planning? There certainly are models, after all—the federal government’s own health benefits plan (FEHBP)
operates markets that exist in all 50 states.

But, as a Democrat—as someone who believes in activist government—he has a vested interest in seeing that federal programs actually work efficiently.
I don’t see much evidence that this is anywhere near the top of his priorities.

Obamacare Incompetence | TIME.com
 
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Rush says it, and it shows up on this board within minutes. Literally.

And you folks wonder why we suggest you back away from the radio.

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Who cares what Obama says or does? Improve your position anyway

Well why should anyone "improve" if
A) they can get free health care.
B) Free food.
C) Free cell phone
D) Earned income tax credit
E) Free section 8 rent subsidy

Today SNAP national participation in December 2012 increased by 109,924 people over the month to 47,791,996 people, and was nearly 1.3 million persons higher than in December 2011.

STiLL 7.7% unemployed !
 
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Rush says it, and it shows up on this board within minutes. Literally.

And you folks wonder why we suggest you back away from the radio.

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Does this alter the article? Who f..king care where it comes from because Joe Klein is a staunch Democrat supporter!
And NOW even he recognizes the ineffectiveness of Obama!

Just goes to show that idiotic drooling morons like yourself have NEVER thought for yourself. You are so enamored you are like what Joe Klein was
several years ago regarding Obama and still like you and Chris Matthews like Pavlov's dogs salivate at the name of Obama!

One of the most prevalent media messages about Obama is that he “transcends race,” or something to that effect. Newsweek (12/25/06) said he is “sometimes described as ‘post-racial,’” Time’s Joe Klein (10/23/06) wrote that he “transcends racial stereotypes,” while U.S. News & World Report (2/19/07) pointed to his “nonconfrontational, ‘post-racial’ approach.”
Obamamania ? FAIR: Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting
 
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We wanted a public option - hell almost 80% of the American public still do. You morons insisted it be scrapped immediately because you guys have no long-term thinking skills when it comes to goals for this country (and your puppet masters, the insurance thieves, ahem... I mean industry, told you to do so). This is what you get. Deal with it.
 
We wanted a public option - hell almost 80% of the American public still do. You morons insisted it be scrapped immediately because you guys have no long-term thinking skills when it comes to goals for this country (and your puppet masters, the insurance thieves, ahem... I mean industry, told you to do so). This is what you get. Deal with it.

I know this is a very simple question but maybe you can explain something.

When you go to the doctor does the doctor bill you or your insurance company?
When the doctor gets the payment does he get it from you or your insurance company?

So who created the bill? The doctor right for services he performed for you.
How much do you think of every dollar the average insurance company gets is spent in paying claims like yours?
Let's assume your insurance is through Aetna.

From their financial reports that if they are falsified people go to jail and that includes the independent auditors.

Aetna Reports First-Quarter 2012 Results | Aetna News Hub

In 2012 of every dollar in premium 80% went out in CLAIMS.
It's called Medical liability ratio.. i.e. how many dollars paid out to dollars coming in!
Revenue $8,864.1m
Medical benefit ratios (MBRs) for the first quarters of 2012
Commercial 80% of all revenue paid out in claims
Net income $511.0m or 5.7% of gross revenue as profit!

So if 80% went out to pay you and others claims that left 14.3% for administration and 5.7% profit (BEFORE TAXES!!!)

Do you understand what this means? If your business had 80% going out for goods,supplies,whatever and that leaves 20% to run the company and make a profit!

Do you understand that of that 80% Aetna paid out a lot of the claims were for defensive medicine.. i.e. Doctors fearful of lawsuits cause $850 billion costs!
So your claim maybe also defensive medicine.. and you get mad at the Aetna's for just paying the claims???
 

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