How Obama Lost Iraq.

[The Rabbi]

This topic was discussed to death last week. Theres a reason people let that thread fall to the bottom.

Panetta's comments came to light this week. So either you're ignorant or lying. Which is it?

 

[WelfareQueen]

This topic was discussed to death last week. Theres a reason people let that thread fall to the bottom.

So why do you keep responding?

 

[Dot Com]

I wonder what happens when the US keeps an occupying force in a muslim country Lemme see......

Add to that, who is going to pay for it. Any rw'ers in this thread want their taxes raised so that it isn't put on the grandkids credit card (the last Repub President did that )

We've had a force in Kuwait for years. Remind meof the terrible consequences of that.
/fail

You didn't answer the question.

Who is going to pay for it or are you going to put it on the grandkid's credit card like the last republican President (from Texas ) did?

why are USMB Repub-voters so hooked on nation-building YET don't want to pay for it.

I also can't think of any servicemen who'd want to be stationed in that sandbox. Bush II's war resulted in A LOT of divorces due to multiple deployments not to mention PTSD incidence'

 

[WelfareQueen]

I wonder what happens when the US keeps an occupying force in a muslim country Lemme see......

Add to that, who is going to pay for it. Any rw'ers in this thread want their taxes raised so that it isn't put on the grandkids credit card (the last Repub President did that )

Cutting food stamps, obamacare, and obama phones would be a good place to start. But since when do Liberals care about the People's money?

 

[The Rabbi]

I wonder what happens when the US keeps an occupying force in a muslim country Lemme see......

Add to that, who is going to pay for it. Any rw'ers in this thread want their taxes raised so that it isn't put on the grandkids credit card (the last Repub President did that )

We've had a force in Kuwait for years. Remind meof the terrible consequences of that.
/fail

You didn't answer the question.

Who is going to pay for it or are you going to put it on the grandkid's credit card like the last republican President (from Texas ) did?

why are USMB Repub-voters so hooked on nation-building YET don't want to pay for it.

We're going to pay for it. Who else? Who's been paying fo rthe war in Afghanistan for the last 6 years?

 

[Mustang]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

Panetta's article clearly refutes that fallacy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I remember back several years ago people were proudly showing pictures of purple finger Iraqis after voting. Well as it turns out those purple finger people voted politicians into office that wanted the US out of their nation. They want to remove immunity from our armed forces as apart of the agreement, that's a deal breaker. I have a strong suspicion that they are now regretting that decision.

Not according to Leon Panetta...the folks at the Pentagon....and several former Obama National Security Advisers.


But nice try.

Panetta? Panetta said this on 60 minutes a couple weeks ago:

"Nouri al-Maliki was the elected prime minister. He didn't want the U.S. troops."

The powerful nation on Earth bows down to that little shit? Really? Only in Obama World. The U.S. tells that fucker what to do or no money...no support. Got it?

this is amusing

It's sad, totally unsurprising, and amusing.

 

[EconChick]

I wonder what happens when the US keeps an occupying force in a muslim country Lemme see......

Add to that, who is going to pay for it. Any rw'ers in this thread want their taxes raised so that it isn't put on the grandkids credit card (the last Repub President did that )

Let me give you a civics less, dotcommie. Our founding fathers intended us to have limited government or at least one constantly kept in check because they didn't trust government. Now those of you uneducated about that history can see why. Everything is falling apart under this BIG GOVERNMENT president.

Over the years socialists have added more and more things to the list of what federal government has become responsible for (while absolutely failing at it like the war on poverty) but the thing that is at the top of the list is NATIONAL SECURITY.

Why is that? Because it's more efficient for a centralized entity to pay for a navy to protect us then for each state to have it's own little navy.

So in the list of priorities, #1 on the list is defense, not the very long list of welfare items.

You libs want welfare first and no national security. That's why Obama is screwing everything up.

 

[Dot Com]

I wonder what happens when the US keeps an occupying force in a muslim country Lemme see......

Add to that, who is going to pay for it. Any rw'ers in this thread want their taxes raised so that it isn't put on the grandkids credit card (the last Repub President did that )

Cutting food stamps, obamacare, and obama phones would be a good place to start. But since when do Liberals care about the People's money?

so-called "Obamaphones" were debunked shit stain

The Obama Phone

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

Plus, the other items you listed are dubious at best considering many people rely on savings already generated even Repub budgets

 

[WelfareQueen]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

Since when do the Iraqis matter? Fuck 'em. Our Troops stay. Deal with it. What are they going to do....kick us out?

 

[BlindBoo]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

We should have never been there in the first place. The whole Iraq debacle is Bush's fault. It should be laid at his feet, his and his administration's, and nowhere else.

Wrong. That's been explained a million times in similar threads for months now. Try reading them.

She is absolutely correct. Iraq was not a threat to the United States and they had no part in the 9-11 attacks. IT was the invasion and specifically the decisions made during the occupation that caused the Iraq Civil war.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

Panetta's article clearly refutes that fallacy.

"Nouri al-Maliki was the elected prime minister. He didn't want the U.S. troops."

 

[WelfareQueen]

I wonder what happens when the US keeps an occupying force in a muslim country Lemme see......

Add to that, who is going to pay for it. Any rw'ers in this thread want their taxes raised so that it isn't put on the grandkids credit card (the last Repub President did that )

Cutting food stamps, obamacare, and obama phones would be a good place to start. But since when do Liberals care about the People's money?

so-called "Obamaphones" were debunked shit stain

The Obama Phone

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

Plus, the other items you listed are dubious at best considering many people rely on savings already generated even Repub budgets

Well....just your welfare check, medicaid, and food stamps. Then the rest of your family in the trailer park.

 

[Dot Com]

:yawn:

Duplicate thread

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[WelfareQueen]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

Panetta's article clearly refutes that fallacy.

"Nouri al-Maliki was the elected prime minister. He didn't want the U.S. troops."

WTF cares what a little fucker like al-Maliki wants? How does a pos like him dictate policy to the most powerful Nation on Earth?

 

[BlindBoo]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

Sorry, Welfare Queen, didn't see your thread. Great thread!

You're endorsing his position that we should impose a forced occupation on Iraq? lolol

I'm endorsing that Obama cut and ran. Got it?

He implemented the Bush Bug Out.

 

[EconChick]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yes, it was dat BOOSH! BOOSH achieved every objective set for the US at the outset of the war, despite downright traitorous behavior in Congress. When BOOOSH left Iraq was a relatively stable democracy. That somehow translates in libspeak as failure.
Obama fucked up the SOFA, refused to exert leverage to insure troops staying, ignored advice of trusted advisors and is now reaping the results and somehow he's blameless.
The Kool Aid is thick with this one.

With 150,000 troops still deployed in the field when he left, yeah, it was relatively stable. But President Bush Signs the SOFA where he obligated the country to remove all our troops by 2012 and somehow that is President Obama's fault? Republican logic at it's finest. Ignoring the fact that it was Iraq's call, not the Presidents trusted advisers, who made the decision to block all offers for a residual force. He is guilty of supporting the PM after the Bush Bug Out, well after Maliki's intentions of excluding the Sunnis was known.

So where is Panetta wrong....specifically?

How can someones opinion be wrong? Any long term agreement had to go through the Iraqi parliament and there was too much opposition to any residual force for it to pass. Doesn't mean that Panettas advice was wrong does it?

Everyone who knows what's going on knows the answer, Boo. It did NOT have to go through the Parliament. That is another misstatement. In Bush's first SOFA placeholder put to ink in 2008, it was envisioned it could be finalized without Parliament.

I've been thru this for months with you and NotFooled and instead of giving lengthy explanations anymore, just gonna give the summary.

 

[The Rabbi]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yes, it was dat BOOSH! BOOSH achieved every objective set for the US at the outset of the war, despite downright traitorous behavior in Congress. When BOOOSH left Iraq was a relatively stable democracy. That somehow translates in libspeak as failure.
Obama fucked up the SOFA, refused to exert leverage to insure troops staying, ignored advice of trusted advisors and is now reaping the results and somehow he's blameless.
The Kool Aid is thick with this one.

With 150,000 troops still deployed in the field when he left, yeah, it was relatively stable. But President Bush Signs the SOFA where he obligated the country to remove all our troops by 2012 and somehow that is President Obama's fault? Republican logic at it's finest. Ignoring the fact that it was Iraq's call, not the Presidents trusted advisers, who made the decision to block all offers for a residual force. He is guilty of supporting the PM after the Bush Bug Out, well after Maliki's intentions of excluding the Sunnis was known.

So where is Panetta wrong....specifically?

How can someones opinion be wrong? Any long term agreement had to go through the Iraqi parliament and there was too much opposition to any residual force for it to pass. Doesn't mean that Panettas advice was wrong does it?

Everyone who knows what's going on knows the answer, Boo. It did NOT have to go through the Parliament. That is another misstatement. In Bush's first SOFA placeholder put to ink in 2008, it was envisioned it could be finalized without Parliament.

I've been thru this for months with you and NotFooled and instead of giving lengthy explanations anymore, just gonna give the summary.

As many times as this gets hashed over the Left will not let go of their narrative o the whole war. In their world, an inept Bush somehow managed to fool a majority of Congress into voting for a war with no basis because he had to prove himself. Bush lost that war and left a country torn apart to Obama, who withdrew troops froma peaceful stable Iraq and was totally blindsided when the Iraq Bush left suddenly reappeared with ISIS, which isnt a threat but whose existence demands we bomb them anyway.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Accepting reality can be difficult. Obama's legacy is in tatters both domestically and in Foreign Affairs. The dupes who supported the incompetent idiot are just having trouble admitting it.

Just remember boys and girls....the stages of grieving. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

I would suggest going straight to acceptance.