How Should We Pay For All This Stuff?

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Gimme, gimme, gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it. That's the modern American motto.


Bob the Builder earns $50,000 a year and has no kids, no wife, and he rents his house.

Bob's next door neighbor, Joe the Plumber, also earns $50,000 a year, has two kids, is married, and he has a mortgage.

Joe gets tax deductions for his kids and for buying a house. Because of this, Bob has to make up the difference, or else the government will have to borrow the difference. Either way, Joe's tax expenditures are being paid for with other people's money. Bob has a higher tax bill than Joe. Bob is given a tax penalty for not buying a house. Bob is paying for Joe's mortgage interest deduction. China is lending us money to pay for Joe's mortgage interest deduction.

Over a trillion dollars of other people's money is spent on tax expenditures like these each year.

We are running out of other people's money.

The government is providing a wide variety of services. Record spending on roads and bridges, record spending on foods stamps, record spending on tax expenditures, record spending on defense, farm subsidies, corporate subsidies, bailouts, food and drug inspectors, and so forth. Everyone has their sacred cow.

This is a bipartisan effort. All those tax expenditures weren't put in the tax code at an average rate of one per day for over a decade by just one party. All that spending was not appropriated by just one party.

So here we are. 16 trillion dollars in debt.

Let's not spiral downward into a blame game. There's enough blame to go around for everybody. Your Congressman, my Congressman, your Senator, my Senator, your President, my President. Your lobbyist, my lobbyist. Your special interest, my special interest.

And we all have our finger in the pie. Don't kid yourself. You take a mortgage interest deduction? You have your finger in the pie. I'm sure you find ways to rationalize it. You have a free cell phone? You have your finger in the pie. I'm sure you finds ways to rationalize it.

Blah, blah, blah.

That $16 trillion is not going to pay for itself. A balanced budget only means the debt won't get any bigger, but the debt will still be there.

How are we going to pay that down?

Did you know we have been here before? In fact, our debt to GDP ratio was higher in 1945 than it is today.

Ten years later, it was down to 50 percent of GDP. How did we do that?

Here are the ways to reduce your debt:

1) Renegotiate with creditors for a lower interest rate. Restructure. Greece is doing that, as are other countries. But since we are the world's reserve currency and set our own interest rates, this is not an option for us.

2) Higher taxation and wage suppression. This was one of the methods used after WWII.

3) External devaluation. Lower the value of your currency against other currencies. This makes it cheaper to pay your external creditors and makes your exports more competitive.

4) Inflation. This makes it easier to pay your internal creditors. This, too, was a method used after WWII. The US government had a big bond drive to get Americans to buy bonds during and after the war. Then the government inflated our money so inflation was higher than the interest on the bonds. Nice, eh?

5) Default. Pay creditors pennies on the dollar. Not an option if we want to remain the world's reserve currency.

6) Grow the economy. A bigger economy means higher tax receipts.


Our available options are 2, 3, 4, and 6. I believe the US government will take the path of least resistance. Since growing the economy is the hardest, the government will go with all three of the remaining options.
 
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Quit whining. It's about change and everyone has to pay their fair share. :-0

Socialism- It's the gift that keeps giving.

-Geaux
 
Quit whining. It's about change and everyone has to pay their fair share. :-0

Socialism- It's the gift that keeps giving.

-Geaux

Gimme, gimme, gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it. Everyone bitches about other people getting a piece of the government pie as they take their own slice at the same time!

As we used to say in the military when things started to really suck, "It's a giant shit sandwich, and everybody has to take a bite."
 
Try cutting Defense and watch who howls. Everyone has their sacred cow.

Try removing all those tax expenditures, and every blessed American will howl. "Take away that guy's deduction, but not mine!"

Everyone has their finger in the pie.

Time to pull it out and suck it up.
 
Gimme, gimme, gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it. That's the modern American motto.


Bob the Builder earns $50,000 a year and has no kids, no wife, and he rents his house.

Bob's next door neighbor, Joe the Plumber, also earns $50,000 a year, has two kids, is married, and he has a mortgage.

Joe gets tax deductions for his kids and for buying a house. Because of this, Bob has to make up the difference, or else the government will have to borrow the difference. Either way, Joe's tax expenditures are being paid for with other people's money. Bob has a higher tax bill than Joe. Bob is given a tax penalty for not buying a house. Bob is paying for Joe's mortgage interest deduction. China is lending us money to pay for Joe's mortgage interest deduction.

Over a trillion dollars of other people's money is spent on tax expenditures like these each year.

We are running out of other people's money.

The government is providing a wide variety of services. Record spending on roads and bridges, record spending on foods stamps, record spending on tax expenditures, record spending on defense, farm subsidies, corporate subsidies, bailouts, food and drug inspectors, and so forth. Everyone has their sacred cow.

This is a bipartisan effort. All those tax expenditures weren't put in the tax code at an average rate of one per day for over a decade by just one party. All that spending was not appropriated by just one party.

So here we are. 16 trillion dollars in debt.

Let's not spiral downward into a blame game. There's enough blame to go around for everybody. Your Congressman, my Congressman, your Senator, my Senator, your President, my President. Your lobbyist, my lobbyist. Your special interest, my special interest.

And we all have our finger in the pie. Don't kid yourself. You take a mortgage interest deduction? You have your finger in the pie. I'm sure you find ways to rationalize it. You have a free cell phone? You have your finger in the pie. I'm sure you finds ways to rationalize it.

Blah, blah, blah.

That $16 trillion is not going to pay for itself. A balanced budget only means the debt won't get any bigger, but the debt will still be there.

How are we going to pay that down?

Did you know we have been here before? In fact, our debt to GDP ratio was higher in 1945 than it is today.

Ten years later, it was down to 50 percent of GDP. How did we do that?

Here are the ways to reduce your debt:

1) Renegotiate with creditors for a lower interest rate. Restructure. Greece is doing that, as are other countries. But since we are the world's reserve currency and set our own interest rates, this is not an option for us.

2) Higher taxation and wage suppression. This was one of the methods used after WWII.

3) External devaluation. Lower the value of your currency against other currencies. This makes it cheaper to pay your external creditors and makes your exports more competitive.

4) Inflation. This makes it easier to pay your internal creditors. This, too, was a method used after WWII. The US government had a big bond drive to get Americans to buy bonds during and after the war. Then the government inflated our money so inflation was higher than the interest on the bonds. Nice, eh?

5) Default. Pay creditors pennies on the dollar. Not an option if we want to remain the world's reserve currency.

6) Grow the economy. A bigger economy means higher tax receipts.


Our available options are 2, 3, 4, and 6. I believe the US government will take the path of least resistance. Since growing the economy is the hardest, the government will go with all three of the remaining options.

Growing the economy is the key, and it will happen. As the economy improves, tax revenue will increase. The key is to not continue spending like crazy as the economy improves. Spending excessively during bad economic times isn't necessarily a bad thing, but we shouldn't be doing it all the time. We do not even have to balance the budget, so long as we do not borrow more than our rate of economic growth. The debt can actually increase, so long as the economy is growing even quicker thereby reducing the total debt as a percentage of GDP.
 
Raise the minimum wage to $23.50/HR. Simple!

Might help.

However....................it would also decimate enlistments in the military. What kid out of high school is going to be willing to work for E-1 through E-3 pay for a year to a year and a half (assuming of course, they can make E-4 in a year and a half), when they can get jobs at 23.50/hr?

Me? I joined because I love this country and didn't care about what they were paying me. What I was looking for was being able to defend this country and travel around the world.

Nice thing about serving 20 years in the military? You get a pension for the rest of your life.
 
Raise the minimum wage to $23.50/HR. Simple!

$23.50/HR may solve some problems, but might as well go all the way to reach socialist, freeloading Utopia:

Raise the minimum wage to $23.51/HR!

Simple!

So your willing to pay the additional cost of such wages?

What great recession?

-Geaux

When a sarcastic statement or a joke needs to be explained, it has lost its punch.

I will not waste my time to do so.
 
Stop giving everyone everything.

Stop giving them money for having kids and a house. Make em pay just like those that don't have the kids and the house.

As for business. Get rid of the subsidies, tax loopholes and tax credits.

Lets also get the economy up and rolling. We obviously need someone better than the current jackass and his posse of boobs.
 
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Gimme, gimme, gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it. That's the modern American motto.


Bob the Builder earns $50,000 a year and has no kids, no wife, and he rents his house.

Bob's next door neighbor, Joe the Plumber, also earns $50,000 a year, has two kids, is married, and he has a mortgage.

Joe gets tax deductions for his kids and for buying a house. Because of this, Bob has to make up the difference, or else the government will have to borrow the difference. Either way, Joe's tax expenditures are being paid for with other people's money. Bob has a higher tax bill than Joe. Bob is given a tax penalty for not buying a house. Bob is paying for Joe's mortgage interest deduction. China is lending us money to pay for Joe's mortgage interest deduction.

Over a trillion dollars of other people's money is spent on tax expenditures like these each year.

We are running out of other people's money.

The government is providing a wide variety of services. Record spending on roads and bridges, record spending on foods stamps, record spending on tax expenditures, record spending on defense, farm subsidies, corporate subsidies, bailouts, food and drug inspectors, and so forth. Everyone has their sacred cow.

This is a bipartisan effort. All those tax expenditures weren't put in the tax code at an average rate of one per day for over a decade by just one party. All that spending was not appropriated by just one party.

So here we are. 16 trillion dollars in debt.

Let's not spiral downward into a blame game. There's enough blame to go around for everybody. Your Congressman, my Congressman, your Senator, my Senator, your President, my President. Your lobbyist, my lobbyist. Your special interest, my special interest.

And we all have our finger in the pie. Don't kid yourself. You take a mortgage interest deduction? You have your finger in the pie. I'm sure you find ways to rationalize it. You have a free cell phone? You have your finger in the pie. I'm sure you finds ways to rationalize it.

Blah, blah, blah.

That $16 trillion is not going to pay for itself. A balanced budget only means the debt won't get any bigger, but the debt will still be there.

How are we going to pay that down?

Did you know we have been here before? In fact, our debt to GDP ratio was higher in 1945 than it is today.

Ten years later, it was down to 50 percent of GDP. How did we do that?

Here are the ways to reduce your debt:

1) Renegotiate with creditors for a lower interest rate. Restructure. Greece is doing that, as are other countries. But since we are the world's reserve currency and set our own interest rates, this is not an option for us.

2) Higher taxation and wage suppression. This was one of the methods used after WWII.

3) External devaluation. Lower the value of your currency against other currencies. This makes it cheaper to pay your external creditors and makes your exports more competitive.

4) Inflation. This makes it easier to pay your internal creditors. This, too, was a method used after WWII. The US government had a big bond drive to get Americans to buy bonds during and after the war. Then the government inflated our money so inflation was higher than the interest on the bonds. Nice, eh?

5) Default. Pay creditors pennies on the dollar. Not an option if we want to remain the world's reserve currency.

6) Grow the economy. A bigger economy means higher tax receipts.


Our available options are 2, 3, 4, and 6. I believe the US government will take the path of least resistance. Since growing the economy is the hardest, the government will go with all three of the remaining options.

Growing the economy is the key, and it will happen. As the economy improves, tax revenue will increase. The key is to not continue spending like crazy as the economy improves. Spending excessively during bad economic times isn't necessarily a bad thing, but we shouldn't be doing it all the time. We do not even have to balance the budget, so long as we do not borrow more than our rate of economic growth. The debt can actually increase, so long as the economy is growing even quicker thereby reducing the total debt as a percentage of GDP.

Obviously this Administration is not following your recipe for recovery.....Obama is doing nothing to grow the economy and he loves to spend every chance he gets...

Under Obama it's pretty obvious we are following numbers 3 & 4.....devaluation of the dollar and inflation....
 
If the Red States would stop soaking the Blue States, man up and take care of themselves, half the country would be solvent. Red States are always looking for a handout.
 

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