How the Parkland teens became villains on the right-wing Internet

[Markymark11]

So many holes in the Parkland shooting even my son picked up on it and he's 15. LOL

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

How the Parkland teens became villains on the right-wing Internet

Shame on all who have engaged in this:
Less than a week after 17 people died in Parkland, Fla., right-wing provocateur Dinesh D’Souza began taunting some of the teenage survivors of the massacre. “Worst news since their parents told them to get summer jobs,” he tweeted on Feb. 20, commenting on a photo showing Parkland survivors crying as state legislators voted down a bill to ban military-style weapons.


D’Souza wrote another tweet, “Adults, 1, kids 0.” Combined, the two tweets have more than 25,000 likes and 8,000 retweets.


[ A fake photo of Emma González went viral on the far right, where Parkland teens are villains ]


Now, five weeks after the Parkland school shooting, D’Souza’s tweets seem almost quaint. As Emma González, David Hogg and the other Parkland teens fighting for gun control have become viral liberal heroes, the teens are villains on the right-wing Internet and fair game for the mockery and attacks that this group usually reserves for its adult enemies.


That infamy reached a wider audience this past weekend around the time of their March for Our Lives protest, when a doctored image that showed González ripping up a copy of the U.S. Constitution (she actually ripped up a gun target) went mildly viral on the Trump-supporting parts of the Internet, defended as “satire” by those who shared it.


"Here’s a look back at how the Parkland student activists became such a target:


Day 1: Conspiracy theorists


The first to target the Parkland students were the conspiracy theorists. When a mass shooting like Parkland happens, conspiracy theorists begin to search for signs of a false flag — proof that the shooting was actually staged and/or carried out for political reasons — pretty much right away. They’re following what online trolling expert Whitney Phillips calls a “tragedy script”: The establishment is trying to take away your guns, they’ll use mass shootings to do that, and here are the tricks they use to manipulate the public. Anything irregular becomes conspiracy fodder.


[ We studied thousands of anonymous posts about the Parkland attack — and found a conspiracy in the making ]


An anonymous 8chan user told the fringe chat board to look for “crisis actors” just 47 minutes after the shooting happened. And if closed chat rooms and fringey boards such as 8chan, 4chan and some subreddits on Reddit are where conspiracy theorists coordinate, then Twitter is where those conspiracy theories — and the harassment that comes with them — are performed for the public. Within hours, anonymous Twitter users were in the mentions of students tweeting from their classrooms during the shooting, accusing them of being part of the conspiracy:

One Twitter thread, made just after midnight on the night of the attack, claimed to contain “Bombshell” information about Parkland. @Magapill (an account once approvingly retweeted by President Trump) shared a video interview with a student that has become the basis of a debunked Parkland conspiracy theory. The thread was retweeted more than 3,000 times.

All this happened before the Parkland students calling for gun control began their ascent to viral iconography. When they emerged, the campaign to discredit and debunk the Parkland students expanded.

Week 2: #MAGA Internet

“EXPOSED: School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines,” read a headline on Gateway Pundit. The article was one of a handful on far-right publications to emerge after the first weekend following the shooting.

Week 2: #MAGA Internet

“EXPOSED: School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines,” read a headline on Gateway Pundit. The article was one of a handful on far-right publications to emerge after the first weekend following the shooting.

[ Algorithms are one reason a conspiracy theory goes viral. Another reason might be you. ]

Hogg, along with González, had found their voices. In one CNN interview, the pair called for the National Rifle Association to “disband.” That interview was on the Monday after the attack. By Tuesday, an aide to Florida state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R-Tampa) was fired for telling a reporter that Hogg and González were “not students … but actors.” As evidence, the aide sent the reporter one of several YouTube videos promoting that conspiracy theory.

Even a former U.S. congressman, Jack Kingston, joined in on Twitter: “O really? ‘Students’ are planning a nationwide rally? Not left-wing gun control activists using 17yr kids in the wake of a horrible tragedy? #Soros #Resistance #Antifa #DNC”

The conspiracy spread quickly, and the algorithms noticed. Soon, a video claiming that Hogg was an actor was the No. 1 trending video on YouTube.

Week 3: Fights with social media companies

In early March, the conspiracy Internet — and some of its Trump supporters — turned the conspiracy theories surrounding the Parkland students into a crusade against what they saw as censorship on major Silicon Valley platforms.

After a conspiracy video trended on YouTube, the platform cracked down on videos and creators who were promoting the false belief that the Parkland students were hired actors or reading from scripts to promote gun control. Enter Alex Jones.

[ How Alex Jones turned the Parkland shooting into a week-long news cycle about himself ]

Jones’s main YouTube channel has more than 2 million subscribers, and he made several videos about Hogg, such as “David Hogg Can’t Remember His Lines In TV Interview,” in the weeks after the shooting.

After CNN reported that the channel was 2 strikes away from a YouTube ban for violating the platform’s community guidelines, Jones started talking about censorship. He claimed his channel was about to be deleted (it wasn’t); he fundraised to support a fight against his enemies. This blitz became a week-long news cycle that captured the attention of Infowars’ supporters and opponents alike.

March for Our Lives: The memes go mainstream

On the eve of the March for Our Lives, the NRA delivered a message to the Parkland students who organized it: “No one would know your names” if a gunman hadn’t killed 17 people at their school, said a host on NRATV.

The Parkland teens, as they took on such a polarizing issue, were always going to have opponents — including from more conservative Parkland students who also survived the massacre. But the deeply personal, conspiracy-minded attacks targeting Hogg, González and their fellow classmate activists have gone from the conspiracy fringes to a larger audience.

And after the viral image of González ripping up the Constitution, Rep. Steve King’s campaign Facebook page (R-Iowa) shared a mocking meme about her. The post refers to a patch of the Cuban flag on her jacket worn during the march:

“This is how you look when you claim Cuban heritage yet don’t speak Spanish and ignore the fact that your ancestors fled the island when the dictatorship turned Cuba into a prison camp, after removing all weapons from its citizens; hence their right to self defense.”

A day after the hoax targeting González went viral, the conservative blog Redstate published — and then updated — an article that falsely implied Hogg might not have been at school during the shooting at all.

“Something doesn’t add up” about Hogg’s whereabouts during the shooting, the original article claimed, focusing on a clip from an upcoming documentary where the student describes going home, grabbing his camera, and returning to interview students.

“It is not possible for him to have been in class and also have been at home, a three-mile bike ride away from campus,” the article concluded. “One of those stories is a lie. Hogg should explain himself, and quickly.”

But the entire premise of the Redstate article was inaccurate. After publication, Redstate published two “updates” at the top of the story, clarifying that the statements they cited as inconsistent were actually describing two separate events, several hours apart. Hogg was definitely on campus at the time of the shooting, and eventually went home and returned to school that evening to interview his gathered classmates just off campus.

Oh goodie a cut and paste word wall I won't waste my time reading.

Ahhh...a bit challenged, are you? I usually like to just post the link..and a brief quote..but many here,,and especially those I directed the post at, tend to read the blurb..and go off on their hobby horse.

No worries..being uninformed is a choice many take..too bad they still seem to have loud opinions.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

How the Parkland teens became villains on the right-wing Internet

Shame on all who have engaged in this:
Less than a week after 17 people died in Parkland, Fla., right-wing provocateur Dinesh D’Souza began taunting some of the teenage survivors of the massacre. “Worst news since their parents told them to get summer jobs,” he tweeted on Feb. 20, commenting on a photo showing Parkland survivors crying as state legislators voted down a bill to ban military-style weapons.


D’Souza wrote another tweet, “Adults, 1, kids 0.” Combined, the two tweets have more than 25,000 likes and 8,000 retweets.


[ A fake photo of Emma González went viral on the far right, where Parkland teens are villains ]


Now, five weeks after the Parkland school shooting, D’Souza’s tweets seem almost quaint. As Emma González, David Hogg and the other Parkland teens fighting for gun control have become viral liberal heroes, the teens are villains on the right-wing Internet and fair game for the mockery and attacks that this group usually reserves for its adult enemies.


That infamy reached a wider audience this past weekend around the time of their March for Our Lives protest, when a doctored image that showed González ripping up a copy of the U.S. Constitution (she actually ripped up a gun target) went mildly viral on the Trump-supporting parts of the Internet, defended as “satire” by those who shared it.


"Here’s a look back at how the Parkland student activists became such a target:


Day 1: Conspiracy theorists


The first to target the Parkland students were the conspiracy theorists. When a mass shooting like Parkland happens, conspiracy theorists begin to search for signs of a false flag — proof that the shooting was actually staged and/or carried out for political reasons — pretty much right away. They’re following what online trolling expert Whitney Phillips calls a “tragedy script”: The establishment is trying to take away your guns, they’ll use mass shootings to do that, and here are the tricks they use to manipulate the public. Anything irregular becomes conspiracy fodder.


[ We studied thousands of anonymous posts about the Parkland attack — and found a conspiracy in the making ]


An anonymous 8chan user told the fringe chat board to look for “crisis actors” just 47 minutes after the shooting happened. And if closed chat rooms and fringey boards such as 8chan, 4chan and some subreddits on Reddit are where conspiracy theorists coordinate, then Twitter is where those conspiracy theories — and the harassment that comes with them — are performed for the public. Within hours, anonymous Twitter users were in the mentions of students tweeting from their classrooms during the shooting, accusing them of being part of the conspiracy:

One Twitter thread, made just after midnight on the night of the attack, claimed to contain “Bombshell” information about Parkland. @Magapill (an account once approvingly retweeted by President Trump) shared a video interview with a student that has become the basis of a debunked Parkland conspiracy theory. The thread was retweeted more than 3,000 times.

All this happened before the Parkland students calling for gun control began their ascent to viral iconography. When they emerged, the campaign to discredit and debunk the Parkland students expanded.

Week 2: #MAGA Internet

“EXPOSED: School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines,” read a headline on Gateway Pundit. The article was one of a handful on far-right publications to emerge after the first weekend following the shooting.

Week 2: #MAGA Internet

“EXPOSED: School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines,” read a headline on Gateway Pundit. The article was one of a handful on far-right publications to emerge after the first weekend following the shooting.

[ Algorithms are one reason a conspiracy theory goes viral. Another reason might be you. ]

Hogg, along with González, had found their voices. In one CNN interview, the pair called for the National Rifle Association to “disband.” That interview was on the Monday after the attack. By Tuesday, an aide to Florida state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R-Tampa) was fired for telling a reporter that Hogg and González were “not students … but actors.” As evidence, the aide sent the reporter one of several YouTube videos promoting that conspiracy theory.

Even a former U.S. congressman, Jack Kingston, joined in on Twitter: “O really? ‘Students’ are planning a nationwide rally? Not left-wing gun control activists using 17yr kids in the wake of a horrible tragedy? #Soros #Resistance #Antifa #DNC”

The conspiracy spread quickly, and the algorithms noticed. Soon, a video claiming that Hogg was an actor was the No. 1 trending video on YouTube.

Week 3: Fights with social media companies

In early March, the conspiracy Internet — and some of its Trump supporters — turned the conspiracy theories surrounding the Parkland students into a crusade against what they saw as censorship on major Silicon Valley platforms.

After a conspiracy video trended on YouTube, the platform cracked down on videos and creators who were promoting the false belief that the Parkland students were hired actors or reading from scripts to promote gun control. Enter Alex Jones.

[ How Alex Jones turned the Parkland shooting into a week-long news cycle about himself ]

Jones’s main YouTube channel has more than 2 million subscribers, and he made several videos about Hogg, such as “David Hogg Can’t Remember His Lines In TV Interview,” in the weeks after the shooting.

After CNN reported that the channel was 2 strikes away from a YouTube ban for violating the platform’s community guidelines, Jones started talking about censorship. He claimed his channel was about to be deleted (it wasn’t); he fundraised to support a fight against his enemies. This blitz became a week-long news cycle that captured the attention of Infowars’ supporters and opponents alike.

March for Our Lives: The memes go mainstream

On the eve of the March for Our Lives, the NRA delivered a message to the Parkland students who organized it: “No one would know your names” if a gunman hadn’t killed 17 people at their school, said a host on NRATV.

The Parkland teens, as they took on such a polarizing issue, were always going to have opponents — including from more conservative Parkland students who also survived the massacre. But the deeply personal, conspiracy-minded attacks targeting Hogg, González and their fellow classmate activists have gone from the conspiracy fringes to a larger audience.

And after the viral image of González ripping up the Constitution, Rep. Steve King’s campaign Facebook page (R-Iowa) shared a mocking meme about her. The post refers to a patch of the Cuban flag on her jacket worn during the march:

“This is how you look when you claim Cuban heritage yet don’t speak Spanish and ignore the fact that your ancestors fled the island when the dictatorship turned Cuba into a prison camp, after removing all weapons from its citizens; hence their right to self defense.”

A day after the hoax targeting González went viral, the conservative blog Redstate published — and then updated — an article that falsely implied Hogg might not have been at school during the shooting at all.

“Something doesn’t add up” about Hogg’s whereabouts during the shooting, the original article claimed, focusing on a clip from an upcoming documentary where the student describes going home, grabbing his camera, and returning to interview students.

“It is not possible for him to have been in class and also have been at home, a three-mile bike ride away from campus,” the article concluded. “One of those stories is a lie. Hogg should explain himself, and quickly.”

But the entire premise of the Redstate article was inaccurate. After publication, Redstate published two “updates” at the top of the story, clarifying that the statements they cited as inconsistent were actually describing two separate events, several hours apart. Hogg was definitely on campus at the time of the shooting, and eventually went home and returned to school that evening to interview his gathered classmates just off campus.

Oh goodie a cut and paste word wall I won't waste my time reading.

Ahhh...a bit challenged, are you? I usually like to just post the link..and a brief quote..but many here,,and especially those I directed the post at, tend to read the blurb..and go off on their hobby horse.

No worries..being uninformed is a choice many take..too bad they still seem to have loud opinions.

It's an opinion piece from a left wing source....nothing to get excited about

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Doesn't everyone love obnoxious, vulgar, loudmouth teens telling adults what to do?

I've wondered the same.

You don't think these same people did the same shit to individuals in the school?

No wonder so many of the children today need prescription meds.

^^^THAT I'd be curious as to who was doing the bullying in that school....because you know someone was

Hell..that idiot David Hogg has enough anger issues to be a potiential school shooter himself...and his Dad is former FBI with access to guns.

If anyone needs therapy it's that asshole.

ROTFLMAO! Thank you for the example of the OP..nice smear.

You folks..are not very nice people, are you?

 

[martybegan]

Has it occurred to you..that no one 'put them forward'? Not at first...this was their idea...yeah--everyone jumped on it....and the kids aren't 'messiahs"--but the level of hatred spewed upon them..by many posters here...is shameful.

They are at rallies holding signs calling NRA members murderers and people are just supposed to give them a pass?

They own the rhetoric, they own the response.

People on the right have given up fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

 

[rightwinger]

They are at rallies holding signs calling NRA members murderers and people are just supposed to give them a pass?

They own the rhetoric, they own the response.

People on the right have given up fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

Oh shut up, anyone that stands up and basically calls for gun bans deserves what they get.

Besides that they are kids who don't have the first clue about life...and judging from their rhetoric when they hit the real world they'll be crushed by it

Those clueless kids understand when politicians are lying to them and they are not buying into to shameless platitudes.

They want positive action and will not stand for less

Run along, winger. I have no interest in your juvenile and middle school ramblings any more than I do your little shit stain Hogg's

Mistress of the Interweb has spoken

You have nothing of substance to offer.....why are you still here?

 

[rightwinger]

They are at rallies holding signs calling NRA members murderers and people are just supposed to give them a pass?

They own the rhetoric, they own the response.

People on the right have given up fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

 

[rightwinger]

They are at rallies holding signs calling NRA members murderers and people are just supposed to give them a pass?

They own the rhetoric, they own the response.

People on the right have given up fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

Oh shut up, anyone that stands up and basically calls for gun bans deserves what they get.

Besides that they are kids who don't have the first clue about life...and judging from their rhetoric when they hit the real world they'll be crushed by it

Those clueless kids understand when politicians are lying to them and they are not buying into to shameless platitudes.

They want positive action and will not stand for less

Obviously they don't since they want current HIPPA laws violated against innocent citizens rather than fix the broken laws that allowed the shooter to evade an arrest after authorities being notified about him over and over and over.

Laws can be changed
Especially when they allow crazy people to buy guns

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This entire thread and its source,the W Post, using kids as political pawns — again — in order to propagate their Marxist agenda.
SOS

 

[EverCurious]

I would agree why aren't the non-left wingers being allowed to be heard? One has to question the motives and agenda when such glaring omissions are being made.

Dang...I'm hearing non-left wing people all day long! Why aren't you? Everything is out there for everyone, these days.

It seems to me that many in the Alt/right circles are invested in being the 'victim'. The evill MSM ignores them..huh? I think you want affirmation..and not information, IMO.

Oh did the MSM finally give them "leave" to speak to the public? I haven't seen a shred of that personally, in fact I've seen the opposite thus far, they were actively prevented from saying their opinions by the media. I'll be curious what they have to say and suggest about the problem, though I do assume it'll be at least somewhat similar to my kidos commentary. (He's 19 though so there might be some deviance.)

 

[martybegan]

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

 

[Pop23]

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

Oh shut up, anyone that stands up and basically calls for gun bans deserves what they get.

Besides that they are kids who don't have the first clue about life...and judging from their rhetoric when they hit the real world they'll be crushed by it

Those clueless kids understand when politicians are lying to them and they are not buying into to shameless platitudes.

They want positive action and will not stand for less

Obviously they don't since they want current HIPPA laws violated against innocent citizens rather than fix the broken laws that allowed the shooter to evade an arrest after authorities being notified about him over and over and over.

Laws can be changed
Especially when they allow crazy people to buy guns

Like the ones in place today? The ones that don’t work? Like laws against murder?

Like those

 

[rightwinger]

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

Abortion is legal
Murdering school children is not

 

[jillian]

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

Abortion is legal
Murdering school children is not

that must be today's rightwingnut talking point. it's about the third time today I've seen a moron try to divert attention from how we deal with guns to women's reproductive rights.

imbeciles.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

This entire thread and its source,the W Post, using kids as political pawns — again — in order to propagate their Marxist agenda.
SOS

Nope. Unless you believe that the WaPo has an agenda which includes 'outing' ignorant alt/right posters on their BS. Then, yeah, you might be right.

Marxist agenda? I don't think you have the first idea of what you are talking about.
BTW..I think it's the kids using the media to propagate their message. Not pawns..but self-actuated and pro-socially active.

 

[Auld Phart]

Yeah....you put yourself out there and ya gotta expect blow back. Snot nose kids or not

So..you are OK with outright lies? By either side? What does that say about your cause..that lying and defaming children is alright? That your ideals cannot stand on their own in the face of attack?

Oh shut up, anyone that stands up and basically calls for gun bans deserves what they get.

Besides that they are kids who don't have the first clue about life...and judging from their rhetoric when they hit the real world they'll be crushed by it

Those clueless kids understand when politicians are lying to them and they are not buying into to shameless platitudes.

They want positive action and will not stand for less

Obviously they don't since they want current HIPPA laws violated against innocent citizens rather than fix the broken laws that allowed the shooter to evade an arrest after authorities being notified about him over and over and over.

Laws can be changed
Especially when they allow crazy people to buy guns

Laws can be changed

Then change them

Especially when they allow crazy people to buy guns

Make sure those new laws you support keep them from purchasing firearms.

 

[Pop23]

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

Abortion is legal
Murdering school children is not

Yeah, and that law stopped it, right?

 

[martybegan]

is a sign saying "the NRA are murders" lying or not?

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

Abortion is legal
Murdering school children is not

owning a gun is a fundemental right, owning a gun is not being a murderer.

Supporting gun rights for law abiding citizens is not murder, nor is it supporting murder.

Almost all guns in the US right now will never kill another human life.

An abortion always kills human life, regardless of if you think a fetus is a person or not.

 

[martybegan]

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

Abortion is legal
Murdering school children is not

that must be today's rightwingnut talking point. it's about the third time today I've seen a moron try to divert attention from how we deal with guns to women's reproductive rights.

imbeciles.

They are both rights that people fiercely protect, except one is explicit in the Constitution and the other is made up by unelected lawyers.

But I'm not surprised a Ditz like you can't figure that out.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

They are complicit

They are an advocacy group working within the law.

So NARAL are complicit in every abortion?

And they are accountable for 30 years of gun legislation loopholes and the blocking of meaningful legislation

No, they are not.
Again, is NARAL responsible for every abortion that has taken place?

Abortion is legal
Murdering school children is not

owning a gun is a fundemental right, owning a gun is not being a murderer.

Supporting gun rights for law abiding citizens is not murder, nor is it supporting murder.

Almost all guns in the US right now will never kill another human life.

An abortion always kills human life, regardless of if you think a fetus is a person or not.

Seems a bit off topic? To remind you...ignorant alt/right hacks spreading disinformation---knowingly.