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I grew up in California and still live here much of the year. Also have a place in Austin tx that I spend time at... part of reforming the system is accounting for welfare benefits and the standards used to qualify. But if people are here and working then it is a positive for our economy and countryMy statement was assuming we fix our broken system and get the illegal and incoming migrant population registered in the system. Of course with millions living under the radar and getting paid cash and not contributing like other workers there is going to be a deficit.Sorry, But Illegal Aliens Cost The U.S. Plenty | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBDHow exactly does that work?No it doesn't, they take more then they pay,.
Not sure what part of the country you live in, but here in California we have plenty of Americans that are quite content living on welfare, with minimal contribution. No reason to feel illegals don't feel the same way.
There needs to be some qualifications for immigrants as we can’t afford to support all the sick people in the world. Gotta start with our people and go from thereI grew up in California and still live here much of the year. Also have a place in Austin tx that I spend time at... part of reforming the system is accounting for welfare benefits and the standards used to qualify. But if people are here and working then it is a positive for our economy and countryMy statement was assuming we fix our broken system and get the illegal and incoming migrant population registered in the system. Of course with millions living under the radar and getting paid cash and not contributing like other workers there is going to be a deficit.
Not sure what part of the country you live in, but here in California we have plenty of Americans that are quite content living on welfare, with minimal contribution. No reason to feel illegals don't feel the same way.
Yikes, sounds like you have the 100 year reforming the system plan. That's a huge IF having people work, considering how many don't work now. And with our glorious new governor wanting free healthcare for everybody and anybody, I can't really see people legal or illegal getting motivated.
All I’ve done is advocate for legal immigration. I’m not calling for open borders. I think our legal system needs reform. But your wrong about everybody wanting legal immigration. There are a bunch of wingnuts here that want to shut the border down and not let anybody else in.
They take care of themselves and contribute to societyI don’t care one way or another. If people want to come then let them come, if people want to go let them go.Sorry to break it to you but odds are that our country will become more socialist with the onset of robots and automation. Unless a new industry of millions of jobs that robots can’t do is magically is created, there is going to be no other way to take care of the poor and unemployed.
So you want more people here?
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How do we afford it then?
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They don't contribute and they bankrupt our health care
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Mr Ray who I was having this discussion with has been promoting the idea of closed borders.All I’ve done is advocate for legal immigration. I’m not calling for open borders. I think our legal system needs reform. But your wrong about everybody wanting legal immigration. There are a bunch of wingnuts here that want to shut the border down and not let anybody else in.
Show us your reliable source showing any significant number of people wanting our borders closed.
They take care of themselves and contribute to societyI don’t care one way or another. If people want to come then let them come, if people want to go let them go.So you want more people here?
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How do we afford it then?
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They don't contribute and they bankrupt our health care
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And our school systems!
Gustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer
Gustavo Perez Arriaga - Bing video
Thanks for the update. I figured they'd have him by this weekend. Too bad the cops didn't kill the SOB.
It was a bad situation for the cop, if the cop shot the illegal, liberals would be marching for his arrest, but he didn’t so now the cop is dead
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The right wing is the holdup on healthcare reform and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.There needs to be some qualifications for immigrants as we can’t afford to support all the sick people in the world. Gotta start with our people and go from thereI grew up in California and still live here much of the year. Also have a place in Austin tx that I spend time at... part of reforming the system is accounting for welfare benefits and the standards used to qualify. But if people are here and working then it is a positive for our economy and countryMy statement was assuming we fix our broken system and get the illegal and incoming migrant population registered in the system. Of course with millions living under the radar and getting paid cash and not contributing like other workers there is going to be a deficit.
Not sure what part of the country you live in, but here in California we have plenty of Americans that are quite content living on welfare, with minimal contribution. No reason to feel illegals don't feel the same way.
Yikes, sounds like you have the 100 year reforming the system plan. That's a huge IF having people work, considering how many don't work now. And with our glorious new governor wanting free healthcare for everybody and anybody, I can't really see people legal or illegal getting motivated.
There is no express wall building power.Mr Ray who I was having this discussion with has been promoting the idea of closed borders.All I’ve done is advocate for legal immigration. I’m not calling for open borders. I think our legal system needs reform. But your wrong about everybody wanting legal immigration. There are a bunch of wingnuts here that want to shut the border down and not let anybody else in.
Show us your reliable source showing any significant number of people wanting our borders closed.
They take care of themselves and contribute to societyI don’t care one way or another. If people want to come then let them come, if people want to go let them go.
How do we afford it then?
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They don't contribute and they bankrupt our health care
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And our school systems!
What exactly does it tell you about more than half of your fellow countrymenGustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer
Gustavo Perez Arriaga - Bing video
Thanks for the update. I figured they'd have him by this weekend. Too bad the cops didn't kill the SOB.
It was a bad situation for the cop, if the cop shot the illegal, liberals would be marching for his arrest, but he didn’t so now the cop is dead
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Funny how they almost always side with criminal, isn't it? Kind of tells you something about the way they think.
How do they bankrupt our country? And if they are in the system then they pay taxes.
We have over a million available jobs in the country and opportunity up the wazzu to start businesses and utilize a growing workforce. We should want to attract hard workers at all levels to continue to progress our country as immigrants have done throughout our nations history.There’s no corner when you put words in my mouth and argue against that instead of the things I actually say. If that’s what you need to do to feel like you won an argument then fine but that’s pretty pathetic.What lies? Did you not say we need more people here to work? Did you not say "as many as possible?"
So funny how when you leftists are backed into a corner, you have nothing left but insults.
I never said we need more people here. I said that I don’t care if people come or go. If people want to come here and can work, contribute and pursue the American dream then more power to them. Get them in, registered and let our economy grow. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat myself. Please read slower and stop misrepresenting my arguments
So allow anybody that wants to come here to do so and work as long as they are in the system? There's hardly a difference between that and open borders.
For your information we already do that, except we have limits on how many can come here. What other industrialized country do you know of that allows as many people to move or work in their country that wants to?
What would we do when all the people from El Salvador, Guatemala Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua and others come here for work, just let them in? And if so, where are Americans going to work and for what kind of money?
You can't invite chaos into your country. The way it's setup now is we are doing well more than our part; more than any other country in the world. I think that's quite enough.It’s not the same as open borders at all. That’s where you distort my position. One is a free for all the other is a system where people can be screened for security purposes, registered and held accountable. They can enter and try to make it through hard work or they won’t be able to cut it and will have to try somewhere else.There’s no corner when you put words in my mouth and argue against that instead of the things I actually say. If that’s what you need to do to feel like you won an argument then fine but that’s pretty pathetic.What lies? Did you not say we need more people here to work? Did you not say "as many as possible?"
So funny how when you leftists are backed into a corner, you have nothing left but insults.
I never said we need more people here. I said that I don’t care if people come or go. If people want to come here and can work, contribute and pursue the American dream then more power to them. Get them in, registered and let our economy grow. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat myself. Please read slower and stop misrepresenting my arguments
So allow anybody that wants to come here to do so and work as long as they are in the system? There's hardly a difference between that and open borders.
For your information we already do that, except we have limits on how many can come here. What other industrialized country do you know of that allows as many people to move or work in their country that wants to?
What would we do when all the people from El Salvador, Guatemala Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua and others come here for work, just let them in? And if so, where are Americans going to work and for what kind of money?
You can't invite chaos into your country. The way it's setup now is we are doing well more than our part; more than any other country in the world. I think that's quite enough.
But you can't let anybody in that wants to be here. That's the point. It's bad enough these people are lowering our wages as it is. We don't need them any lower.
Only a little over half of the illegals are in agriculture. The rest are in various other fields of work that Americans do. So flood the country with more foreign workers, and they will be in nearly every sector of employment in the US. You can't do that.
What we have is not working, but I see no reason to make it worse. If we want to make it better, close down the border and start getting rid of the illegals already here. Because the only difference between what you suggest and open borders is that you know their names and they are checked out.
Soon enough we will be faced with hard questions on how to handle automation. That issue should be discussed now and you might have some fair points to limit immigration when considering how we will handle that integration.
But for now we need to have solutions for our current problems and the ability to have productive and honest dialogue.
Denying facts? You’re not paying attention are you? I’m not talking about the current situation I’m talking about reformsHow do they bankrupt our country? And if they are in the system then they pay taxes.
Still denying facts? Huge surprise!
The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR
Give them community service or take away their opportunity to become citizens... apply a penalty but do something because bitching and pushing for mass deportation is not going to ever happen. Time for solutionsThat’s a bullshit statement that entirely depends on perspective. Is a jaywalker who gets a ticket being rewarded because they weren’t taken to jail? Is a kid who cuts in line at an amusement park rewarded for being sent to the back of the line instead of being kicked out of the park? No, they are both received fair punishments for breaking the rulesIf they are in the system they pay a number of taxes including social security and Medicare. I listed many more than just income tax.No, you specifically said income tax. Scroll up. You have to make a pretty good living to be paying income tax, that's why half of our country doesn't pay them.
That's fine but it's not income tax. By "moving them into the system" you mean reward them for coming here and breaking our laws. I'm not behind that. If anything, they should be punished for breaking our laws like any American. Imagine what our highways would be like to travel if when people got speeding tickets and went to court, the city gave them $200.00 for showing up.
You might think that it is a reward if they aren’t deported but there are other ways to hold them accountable for trying to skip the system
What you said is take all these law breakers and get them into the system and continue to let them live here. Yes, I call that a reward.
What exactly does it tell you about more than half of your fellow countrymenGustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer
Gustavo Perez Arriaga - Bing video
Thanks for the update. I figured they'd have him by this weekend. Too bad the cops didn't kill the SOB.
It was a bad situation for the cop, if the cop shot the illegal, liberals would be marching for his arrest, but he didn’t so now the cop is dead
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Funny how they almost always side with criminal, isn't it? Kind of tells you something about the way they think.
There’s no corner when you put words in my mouth and argue against that instead of the things I actually say. If that’s what you need to do to feel like you won an argument then fine but that’s pretty pathetic.
I never said we need more people here. I said that I don’t care if people come or go. If people want to come here and can work, contribute and pursue the American dream then more power to them. Get them in, registered and let our economy grow. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat myself. Please read slower and stop misrepresenting my arguments
Gustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer
Gustavo Perez Arriaga - Bing video
I don’t see that working or even having a chance of being initiated.Give them community service or take away their opportunity to become citizens... apply a penalty but do something because bitching and pushing for mass deportation is not going to ever happen. Time for solutionsThat’s a bullshit statement that entirely depends on perspective. Is a jaywalker who gets a ticket being rewarded because they weren’t taken to jail? Is a kid who cuts in line at an amusement park rewarded for being sent to the back of the line instead of being kicked out of the park? No, they are both received fair punishments for breaking the rulesIf they are in the system they pay a number of taxes including social security and Medicare. I listed many more than just income tax.
That's fine but it's not income tax. By "moving them into the system" you mean reward them for coming here and breaking our laws. I'm not behind that. If anything, they should be punished for breaking our laws like any American. Imagine what our highways would be like to travel if when people got speeding tickets and went to court, the city gave them $200.00 for showing up.
You might think that it is a reward if they aren’t deported but there are other ways to hold them accountable for trying to skip the system
What you said is take all these law breakers and get them into the system and continue to let them live here. Yes, I call that a reward.
You don't need mass deportation. Throw them out one at a time if necessary. Don't worry, if the word gets around, the rest will leave on their own.
It’s very practical if a pathway is opened people will follow itThere’s no corner when you put words in my mouth and argue against that instead of the things I actually say. If that’s what you need to do to feel like you won an argument then fine but that’s pretty pathetic.
I never said we need more people here. I said that I don’t care if people come or go. If people want to come here and can work, contribute and pursue the American dream then more power to them. Get them in, registered and let our economy grow. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat myself. Please read slower and stop misrepresenting my arguments
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How practical is that fantasy of yours! Oh, that's right, practicality is not a word in a Progressives vocabulary.
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Gallup released some new data this week on migration, for which they asked people from 154 countries if they would like to migrate, and if so where to. The United States was by far the most popular destination; Gallup estimates that 138 million people would like to relocate there. The United Kingdom was the second-most popular, with 42 million potential migrants, followed by Canada, France and Saudi Arabia.
A revealing map of who wants to move to the U.S.
The wall is stupid and it won't work. Pass a national ID card for crying out loud...Gustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer
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They don't give a shit what illegals do once they are here. It's all about votes and gaining power and the left will use people any way they need to in order to win.
Not one of the Dem leaders had anything to say about the death of yet another cop. They've ignored the thousands of people killed by illegals. They had plenty to say about a little boy dying after he and his father were apprehended sneaking through the border. It was not the fault of our authorities. The boy had an infection that went septic, one he likely contracted during the long trip here and even though they sought medical help as soon as they knew there was a problem, it was too late. Yet, CNN is treating it like the crime of the century.
Meanwhile, illegals rape, murder, assault, rob and steal people's property and identities and the left shrugs it off as no big deal.
They need illegals because not enough American citizens stand behind them and their radical agenda. They need more uninformed voters who will trade freedom and liberty for freebies. People who don't belong in this country are helping to destroy this country.
California allows them to vote, no questions asked. It's been reported by poll workers that many voted more than once and no one was expected to even fill out a form. If they walked in, they were handed a ballot.
Illegals also get counted in the census, which is why Dems want millions of them in their districts. It allows them more electoral votes. People like Hillary win popular votes, thanks to the estimated 22 million illegals here. Just one area in California, which is heavily populated with illegals, would have handed her the election. No wonder the left hates electoral voting. It allows a voice to the minority states. They only want rights for their supporters and screw everyone else.
So, don't expect any of them to cry over citizens being murdered or any of the other crimes that make victims of citizens. All that matters is votes and getting back power.
The Dems don't care about safety or welfare of people. They are using people to get what they want and it's as simple as that.
Mr Ray who I was having this discussion with has been promoting the idea of closed borders.
Denying facts? You’re not paying attention are you? I’m not talking about the current situation I’m talking about reformsHow do they bankrupt our country? And if they are in the system then they pay taxes.
Still denying facts? Huge surprise!
The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR
