Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

[thanatos144]

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

9 months or 19 yrs.........the choice of becoming a mother is up to the woman.

Everyone else can stick their opinions up their respective @$$

The woman has to decide what is best for her, not anyone else.

No child should be born unwanted. No woman should be forced to become a mother, till she is ready to take on that responsibility. Certainly no victim of rape should have to suffer with the burden of carrying the rapist spawn.

Whatever the reasons, it is up to the woman to decide her own future.

It is now but hopefully that will change one day. Those of us that care about the preborn should try to continue to fight for their lives.

You are pro birth. If you were truly pro life, then you would care about their little lives past the delivery room door & not continually vote for people that want to take food out of their mouths, take away their health care, housing & education that is so lovingly called "entitlements" .

Talking point bullshit. You don't know what he/she does with out the government stealing from him/her to in slave the poor

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[Lonestar_logic]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Yes let's condemn Huckabee and give a pass to the man that impregnated the child.

 

[thanatos144]

A little bit off topic but has Planned Parenthood ever delivered a baby without killing it?

Moot point.

They don't deliver babies.

Do they kill babies?
I thought they aborted fetus'.

They kill preborn babies. Would it really shock you if they killed some after their birth? They have no feeling and it would not shock me at all.

Someone makes the final decision over that uterus. Not You. Not the Government. Smaller less intrusive Government is what is always desired by the right, except when it comes to the bedroom, marriage, & a woman's body. Then Big Brother is your buddy.

That once the baby is conceived it is no longer just her body for the next 9 months

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[thanatos144]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

If only a few women have abortions who had been raped, then why be so against this exception? What is it less than 5%? So why support such an irrelevant amount? I know the bullshit excuse that all life is precious. It's hypocritical when most pro-lifers support the death penalty (as they should), they support our involvement in wars (to which there are many wars worth fighting), they support one's right to self-defense etc, yet all life is precious. I digress.

If the GOP wants support and possibly get through abortion reforms, then they need to stop with the no abortions ever theme! It's a losing battle, as it should be. It doesn't show compassion for the unborn, it shows heartless indifference to a woman caught in one of the worst situations imaginable.

I believe the vast majority of Americans do not support late term abortions, but they also don't support banning abortion for rape or incest victims. They fear, as I do, their mother, sister, daughter, spouse, cousin, friend etc get put in that situation. I also think the majority support abortion for teenagers and when there are birth defects.

This extremist view gets the base all warm and fuzzy, but it loses them the independents. That is why they never want to talk about it yet the Democrats always like to bring it up.


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Why should the baby die for a crime it didn't commit?

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If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Did she kill her baby?

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It was HER choice not to. However. why didn't she use birth control the first time? Why didn't she use it the 2nd time, especially after being paid for lecturing on the ills of her bad decision the first time & 'abstinence' was the way to go? Because birth control & abortion is against her religion, but not fornicating? What a screwed up hypocritical way of thinking. Hence the ROTFL emoji I included in my reply to the 'God bless you' poster.

To not kill is just normal and doesn't need much thought.

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[thanatos144]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

If only a few women have abortions who had been raped, then why be so against this exception? What is it less than 5%? So why support such an irrelevant amount? I know the bullshit excuse that all life is precious. It's hypocritical when most pro-lifers support the death penalty (as they should), they support our involvement in wars (to which there are many wars worth fighting), they support one's right to self-defense etc, yet all life is precious. I digress.

If the GOP wants support and possibly get through abortion reforms, then they need to stop with the no abortions ever theme! It's a losing battle, as it should be. It doesn't show compassion for the unborn, it shows heartless indifference to a woman caught in one of the worst situations imaginable.

I believe the vast majority of Americans do not support late term abortions, but they also don't support banning abortion for rape or incest victims. They fear, as I do, their mother, sister, daughter, spouse, cousin, friend etc get put in that situation. I also think the majority support abortion for teenagers and when there are birth defects.

This extremist view gets the base all warm and fuzzy, but it loses them the independents. That is why they never want to talk about it yet the Democrats always like to bring it up.


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Why should the baby die for a crime it didn't commit?

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What crime did the 10 year old girl commit?

They killed the 10 year old girl?

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[TheProgressivePatriot]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Yes let's condemn Huckabee and give a pass to the man that impregnated the child.

Who the fuck is saying that we should be giving him a pass?!!

 

[thanatos144]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Yes let's condemn Huckabee and give a pass to the man that impregnated the child.

Who the fuck is saying that we should be giving him a pass?!!

So he should die or just his innocent offspring ?

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[TheProgressivePatriot]

I have repeatedly said that I respect the religious beliefs and moral sensibilities, but only to the extent that they do not attempt to impose those beliefs on others through law or public policy. The idea that life begins at conception is just a religious belief and a simplistic one at that. There is so much that we don’t know about life and for that matter death. Where do they end and where do they begin? We know that physical life ends and begins but what do we really know about spiritual life- I mean really know apart from what religious dogma and superstition tell us? A big question that I have is how is our state of existence different before we are born, then it is after we die, if different at all. Are there really beginnings and ends or just transitions in and out of our bodies?

Yes there is much that we don’t know, yet those who consider themselves pro-life base their opposition to abortion on that very religious dogma which ignores how much we don’t know and understand and dumbs it down to the sound bite of “life begins at conception”. Aren’t these the same people who, in other contexts speak of life never ending? It would follow that if there is no ending, there is no beginning except in the physical sense-which begs the question, why should that be the most important consideration? Yet, the use the life begins at conception mime to try to justify a ban on all abortion, while ignoring the facts that we do know:

What are those facts?

Banning legal abortion will not end abortion

Banning legal abortion will increase the number of abortions performed by unscrupulous and under trained people who will put the women’s life at risk

Banning legal abortion will increase the number of late term abortion, including those that are illegal under current law.

Banning legal abortion –if in fact it is effective at substantially reducing the number of abortions, which is doubtful, may well lead to more children living in poverty, being abused, and other social, emotional and financial difficulties for those children and their families.

Banning legal abortion will be much less effective in actually reducing abortion than the promotion of contraception and meaningful sex education (yet the “pro-lifers” often oppose these measures.

Yes, the so called pro-lifers cling to their superstitions and fantasies while ignoring the facts that are known. Their position is devoid of any logic or reason. It also lacks compassion for all things living outside of the womb. The evidence of that is plentiful. The same people who oppose abortion under all or most circumstances fail to support programs and policies to instill a sense of confidence in women and families that they will have the help and support that they need if they choose to carry the child to term. That would include nutritional and financial assistance, affordable day care, early child hood education, and health care coverage for starters. How about we throw in tax policies that strengthen the middle class and promote job growth.

In conclusion the anti-abortion proponents bass their argument on emotion and religious dogma and superstition, Pro-choice people base their argument on objective reality and the recognition that the right to life does not end at birth, the rights of a zygote or embryo do not trump the rights of the living, and the quality of life also matters .

 

[JOSweetHeart]

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Thoughts and questions on abortion:

WHY…..Do you people insist on pushing for an end to ALL legal abortion? Logic and common sense should tell you that it will not actually end abortion. I have to really wonder what you really believe in and what your true motives are. Is it to be able to claim moral superiority by saying that you are unequivocally against abortion, while being able to avoid responsibility for damage caused by illegal abortions as well as the suffering that results for having children who are unwanted? Or, is it about the control of women and their bodies? I have to suspect that it is, at least in part the later as evidenced by the degree of indifference and even hostility towards women’s needs including but not limited to birth control. You make no sense to me what so ever!
________________________________________________________________________________
I can understand that you believe in the sanctity of human life and that you believe that life begins at conception. You are certainly entitled to that belief, but others do not believe that it is a human life at conception, and they too are equally entitled to that belief. Here is a though. Don’t religious people also believe in the human soul? A spirit that comes from god and returns the heavens upon death? If so, then there really is no death. Can you look at abortion as a means of delaying the transformation of that soul into the physical body until it can make the transition into the world at a better time and in a better place

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Let’s be clear about something. Ending or overly restricting legal abortion will not end abortion and may not even significantly reduce the number of abortions. Rather, it will force the practice back under ground to be performed by the back ally butchers who will endanger women’s health and even their lives, and escape any restrictions on late term abortions which may well increase in numbers

Please understand this. Most people who are pro-choice are not callously pro-abortion. Regardless of ones beliefs about when life begins, we recognize that abortion is not a pleasant or desirable thing. I for one have no problem with overall policies that are aimed at making abortion rare-although I am adamant that they should still be available.

How do we do that? By supporting meaningful sex education and the availability of contraception for starters. Then, by ensuring that women and families are confident that they will have the help and support that they need if they choose to carry the child to term. That would include nutritional and financial assistance, affordable day care, early child hood education, and health care coverage for starters. How about we throw in tax policies that strengthen the middle class and promote job growth. The problem is that too many pro-life conservatives are against all or most of these things and there for they are really just pro fetus and pro birth.

I believe that most pro-choice people would, in turn agree to a ban on late term abortions that are not medically necessary and ensure that the woman is fully aware of all alternatives including adoption. And speaking of adoption, they need to get over the hysteria about allowing gays and lesbians to adopt. They are a valuable resource for children who might otherwise suffer at the hands of a parent who was not prepared to care for them, or languish in the foster care system.

Is it possible for conservative to get smart about this, or will they insist on clinging to absurd positions of just wanting abortion stopped, even in cases of rape, incest or a danger to the mother’s life.? Are you will to come out right now as being truly pro-life, pro women, pro-family and pro children ? If you cannot or will not, but continue to b staunchly anti abortion, you are displaying the very height of hypocrisy.

Another reason why I am not for abortion is because of the Lord's involvement every time that a baby is created. I believe that he had a hand in that baby's creation and I for one am not about to cheer lead the destroying of something that he himself had a hand in making. How would you like it if something that you made was completely destroyed by another person?

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

" Just because" <---- right there says it all. You have no real concern. And saying "God Bless" with every post means nothing when it's just automatic. People say that when someone sneezes.... no real intent behind it. And you can talk the talk of a Christian, but when it comes to walking that walk, you sound so very very selfish. LOL, Try reading a little Matthew 6: 5-6.

If anyone is selfish, it is you people who think that its okay to do away with a baby so that no one has to deal with it in any way as if its nothing but an inconvenience to everyone. If that isn't a sheer and severe act of selfishness, I have zero idea what is!

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. And one more thing, playtime. I mean the phrase "God bless you always!!!" every time that I say no matter how you look at it. Why do I say it? Because to me people like you for example only make it as clear as crystal glass that it needs to be said.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Yes let's condemn Huckabee and give a pass to the man that impregnated the child.

Who the fuck is saying that we should be giving him a pass?!!

It's apparent that more are concerned about what Huckabee says than the fact that a young child was raped. His opinion is just that, and it holds no weight. The hero is the Paraguayan government and the villain is the person that raped the child. Some people choose the dumbest things to be upset about.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Thoughts and questions on abortion:

WHY…..Do you people insist on pushing for an end to ALL legal abortion? Logic and common sense should tell you that it will not actually end abortion. I have to really wonder what you really believe in and what your true motives are. Is it to be able to claim moral superiority by saying that you are unequivocally against abortion, while being able to avoid responsibility for damage caused by illegal abortions as well as the suffering that results for having children who are unwanted? Or, is it about the control of women and their bodies? I have to suspect that it is, at least in part the later as evidenced by the degree of indifference and even hostility towards women’s needs including but not limited to birth control. You make no sense to me what so ever!
________________________________________________________________________________
I can understand that you believe in the sanctity of human life and that you believe that life begins at conception. You are certainly entitled to that belief, but others do not believe that it is a human life at conception, and they too are equally entitled to that belief. Here is a though. Don’t religious people also believe in the human soul? A spirit that comes from god and returns the heavens upon death? If so, then there really is no death. Can you look at abortion as a means of delaying the transformation of that soul into the physical body until it can make the transition into the world at a better time and in a better place

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Let’s be clear about something. Ending or overly restricting legal abortion will not end abortion and may not even significantly reduce the number of abortions. Rather, it will force the practice back under ground to be performed by the back ally butchers who will endanger women’s health and even their lives, and escape any restrictions on late term abortions which may well increase in numbers

Please understand this. Most people who are pro-choice are not callously pro-abortion. Regardless of ones beliefs about when life begins, we recognize that abortion is not a pleasant or desirable thing. I for one have no problem with overall policies that are aimed at making abortion rare-although I am adamant that they should still be available.

How do we do that? By supporting meaningful sex education and the availability of contraception for starters. Then, by ensuring that women and families are confident that they will have the help and support that they need if they choose to carry the child to term. That would include nutritional and financial assistance, affordable day care, early child hood education, and health care coverage for starters. How about we throw in tax policies that strengthen the middle class and promote job growth. The problem is that too many pro-life conservatives are against all or most of these things and there for they are really just pro fetus and pro birth.

I believe that most pro-choice people would, in turn agree to a ban on late term abortions that are not medically necessary and ensure that the woman is fully aware of all alternatives including adoption. And speaking of adoption, they need to get over the hysteria about allowing gays and lesbians to adopt. They are a valuable resource for children who might otherwise suffer at the hands of a parent who was not prepared to care for them, or languish in the foster care system.

Is it possible for conservative to get smart about this, or will they insist on clinging to absurd positions of just wanting abortion stopped, even in cases of rape, incest or a danger to the mother’s life.? Are you will to come out right now as being truly pro-life, pro women, pro-family and pro children ? If you cannot or will not, but continue to b staunchly anti abortion, you are displaying the very height of hypocrisy.

Another reason why I am not for abortion is because of the Lord's involvement every time that a baby is created. I believe that he had a hand in that baby's creation and I for one am not about to cheer lead the destroying of something that he himself had a hand in making. How would you like it if something that you made was completely destroyed by another person?

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

" Just because" <---- right there says it all. You have no real concern. And saying "God Bless" with every post means nothing when it's just automatic. People say that when someone sneezes.... no real intent behind it. And you can talk the talk of a Christian, but when it comes to walking that walk, you sound so very very selfish. LOL, Try reading a little Matthew 6: 5-6.

If anyone is selfish, it is you people who think that its okay to do away with a baby so that no one has to deal with it in any way as if its nothing but an inconvenience to everyone. If that isn't a sheer and severe act of selfishness, I have zero idea what is!

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. And one more thing, playtime. I mean the phrase "God bless you always!!!" every time that I say no matter how you look at it. Why do I say it? Because to me people like you for example only make it as clear as crystal glass that it needs to be said.

Interesting how you can pretty much ignore all of the points that others make and feel no obligation to respond to them at all.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Religious Right Unaware That Rosa Parks & Martin Luther King Jr. Supported Planned Parenthood -

After Perkins falsely claimed that Sanger wanted to “eliminate the black race,” Jackson accused liberals of “rewriting history.” If Jackson had bothered to do any research, he would have found that Rosa Parks served on Planned Parenthood’s board and Martin Luther King Jr., a vocal advocate of family planning services, accepted the inaugural Margaret Sanger award from Planned Parenthood, praising Sanger as a kindred spirit: - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten....Af8B412d.dpuf

 

[Coyote]

You people are myoptic. This discussion is not about the general concept of abortion. IT IS ABOUT A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD WHO WAS RAPED BY HER STEPFATHER, BECAME PREGNANT FROM THAT RAPE, AND WAS FORCED BY HER GOVERNMENT TO BRING THE FETUS TO TERM AND GIVE BIRTH TO IT.

This IS A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD! Not a mature woman, not even a woman. Not a married woman and not a woman who is pregnant through a consentual sexual act. This CHILD was raped. She was raped by a parent. She has already been abused, seriously abused. Having to carry the fetus to term is more abuse. She should not be punished for being raped: to think it is okay to punish this child who was raped is inhumane in the extreme. In addition, her body is not capable of carrying the fetus to term w/o it being life threatening and permanently damaging her body, much less her spirit.

Anyone who advocates that a 10 year old rape victim is required to carry a fetus resulting from that rape to term and give birth to it is inhumane. I'll bet the farm that if it was your child, unless you are a monster, you would not want such a sentence of inhumanity to be visited upon your child. The only decent, loving person in that poor child's life seems to be her grandmother.

So age of mother should automatically mean death to the innocent baby? If you don't like the laws in her country move there and try and change it. It is a good thing a innocent baby was not killed

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Yet another innocent child was tortured and could easily have died.

 

[Coyote]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

If only a few women have abortions who had been raped, then why be so against this exception? What is it less than 5%? So why support such an irrelevant amount? I know the bullshit excuse that all life is precious. It's hypocritical when most pro-lifers support the death penalty (as they should), they support our involvement in wars (to which there are many wars worth fighting), they support one's right to self-defense etc, yet all life is precious. I digress.

If the GOP wants support and possibly get through abortion reforms, then they need to stop with the no abortions ever theme! It's a losing battle, as it should be. It doesn't show compassion for the unborn, it shows heartless indifference to a woman caught in one of the worst situations imaginable.

I believe the vast majority of Americans do not support late term abortions, but they also don't support banning abortion for rape or incest victims. They fear, as I do, their mother, sister, daughter, spouse, cousin, friend etc get put in that situation. I also think the majority support abortion for teenagers and when there are birth defects.

This extremist view gets the base all warm and fuzzy, but it loses them the independents. That is why they never want to talk about it yet the Democrats always like to bring it up.


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Why should the baby die for a crime it didn't commit?

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What crime did the 10 year old girl commit?

They killed the 10 year old girl?

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What crime did that 10 year old girl commit?

 

[Coyote]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Yes let's condemn Huckabee and give a pass to the man that impregnated the child.

Who the fuck is saying that we should be giving him a pass?!!

It's apparent that more are concerned about what Huckabee says than the fact that a young child was raped. His opinion is just that, and it holds no weight. The hero is the Paraguayan government and the villain is the person that raped the child. Some people choose the dumbest things to be upset about.

What makes the government a hero?

If you all feel a ten year old child giving birth is just fine then why bother to oppose child marriages?

 

[Mertex]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

Evidently the courts of Paraguay

And also the Stepford wives of the Republican party that don't mind being considered no more than second class citizens and continue to root for the idiots that take their rights away.

 

[auditor0007]

I agree with Huckabee on this.

Not surprised

 

[JOSweetHeart]

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Thoughts and questions on abortion:

WHY…..Do you people insist on pushing for an end to ALL legal abortion? Logic and common sense should tell you that it will not actually end abortion. I have to really wonder what you really believe in and what your true motives are. Is it to be able to claim moral superiority by saying that you are unequivocally against abortion, while being able to avoid responsibility for damage caused by illegal abortions as well as the suffering that results for having children who are unwanted? Or, is it about the control of women and their bodies? I have to suspect that it is, at least in part the later as evidenced by the degree of indifference and even hostility towards women’s needs including but not limited to birth control. You make no sense to me what so ever!
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I can understand that you believe in the sanctity of human life and that you believe that life begins at conception. You are certainly entitled to that belief, but others do not believe that it is a human life at conception, and they too are equally entitled to that belief. Here is a though. Don’t religious people also believe in the human soul? A spirit that comes from god and returns the heavens upon death? If so, then there really is no death. Can you look at abortion as a means of delaying the transformation of that soul into the physical body until it can make the transition into the world at a better time and in a better place

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Let’s be clear about something. Ending or overly restricting legal abortion will not end abortion and may not even significantly reduce the number of abortions. Rather, it will force the practice back under ground to be performed by the back ally butchers who will endanger women’s health and even their lives, and escape any restrictions on late term abortions which may well increase in numbers

Please understand this. Most people who are pro-choice are not callously pro-abortion. Regardless of ones beliefs about when life begins, we recognize that abortion is not a pleasant or desirable thing. I for one have no problem with overall policies that are aimed at making abortion rare-although I am adamant that they should still be available.

How do we do that? By supporting meaningful sex education and the availability of contraception for starters. Then, by ensuring that women and families are confident that they will have the help and support that they need if they choose to carry the child to term. That would include nutritional and financial assistance, affordable day care, early child hood education, and health care coverage for starters. How about we throw in tax policies that strengthen the middle class and promote job growth. The problem is that too many pro-life conservatives are against all or most of these things and there for they are really just pro fetus and pro birth.

I believe that most pro-choice people would, in turn agree to a ban on late term abortions that are not medically necessary and ensure that the woman is fully aware of all alternatives including adoption. And speaking of adoption, they need to get over the hysteria about allowing gays and lesbians to adopt. They are a valuable resource for children who might otherwise suffer at the hands of a parent who was not prepared to care for them, or languish in the foster care system.

Is it possible for conservative to get smart about this, or will they insist on clinging to absurd positions of just wanting abortion stopped, even in cases of rape, incest or a danger to the mother’s life.? Are you will to come out right now as being truly pro-life, pro women, pro-family and pro children ? If you cannot or will not, but continue to b staunchly anti abortion, you are displaying the very height of hypocrisy.

Another reason why I am not for abortion is because of the Lord's involvement every time that a baby is created. I believe that he had a hand in that baby's creation and I for one am not about to cheer lead the destroying of something that he himself had a hand in making. How would you like it if something that you made was completely destroyed by another person?

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

" Just because" <---- right there says it all. You have no real concern. And saying "God Bless" with every post means nothing when it's just automatic. People say that when someone sneezes.... no real intent behind it. And you can talk the talk of a Christian, but when it comes to walking that walk, you sound so very very selfish. LOL, Try reading a little Matthew 6: 5-6.

If anyone is selfish, it is you people who think that its okay to do away with a baby so that no one has to deal with it in any way as if its nothing but an inconvenience to everyone. If that isn't a sheer and severe act of selfishness, I have zero idea what is!

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. And one more thing, playtime. I mean the phrase "God bless you always!!!" every time that I say no matter how you look at it. Why do I say it? Because to me people like you for example only make it as clear as crystal glass that it needs to be said.

Interesting how you can pretty much ignore all of the points that others make and feel no obligation to respond to them at all.

I am just telling y'all what I can say and nothing more. What I have put out here is where I stand on the issue just like what the rest of y'all have put out here is where y'all stand. What we can and can not accept is our own decision no matter what situation it is that we're in. We do and we say whatever makes sense to us no matter where that places us in the bigger picture.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Lonestar_logic]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Yes let's condemn Huckabee and give a pass to the man that impregnated the child.

Who the fuck is saying that we should be giving him a pass?!!

It's apparent that more are concerned about what Huckabee says than the fact that a young child was raped. His opinion is just that, and it holds no weight. The hero is the Paraguayan government and the villain is the person that raped the child. Some people choose the dumbest things to be upset about.

What makes the government a hero?

If you all feel a ten year old child giving birth is just fine then why bother to oppose child marriages?

A ten year old child should not be getting pregnant. But why kill an innocent life when it does happen? The government saved a life, therefore they are heroes. Metaphorically speaking of course.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

^^^ Amen to this. Why should any child have to die because of the way that it was conceived? Pregnancies do not last forever anyways and any child that can be saved should be saved.

God bless you always!!!

Holly