Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

[thanatos144]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Did she kill her baby?

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[thanatos144]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

Don't want unwanted children? Don't have sex. Killing a innocent baby be CA use you have no self control is evil

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Why do you want all these irresponsible people raising babies?

Damn shame liberal teachers and parents made them this way

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[JOSweetHeart]

^^^ Yes there is. Its called abortion whether you think it is legalized murder or not. It is.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Are you planning on taking her baby by force? No one says she's has to keep the baby, but that is what most women do after they deliver a baby.

No, but if she doesn't want it, why does it have to be killed? Killing it would only make her go from a victim to a legalized murderer. Doing away with the child will not erase the rape from her past anyways, so why add another wrong doing to the picture?

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

She doesn't abort them because she knows that doing so would only add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.
Maybe she doesn't abort the kids because she knows that doing such a thing would add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.


Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

First comment is very arrogant. A rape or incest victim doesn't choose to have unprotected sex. Esp the poor girl in this story. If you want to make the argument that there should be no exception for simply an unplanned pregnancy the fine, but that argument doesn't fly for rape victims.

Why should the baby have to die no matter how it is created? Killing the baby only makes the rape victim go from a rape victim to a murderer. Killing the baby will not erase its conception from the past anyways. If anything, it just adds another wrong doing to the picture.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Even if no one has the right, one way or another abortion is just another form of murdering an innocent life no matter how you and your ilk try to say that it isn't.

God bless you three and the girl always!!!

Holly

The deformity and pain of her body from the pregnancy makes it worse. The sooner the fetus is aborted, the sonner she can heal and rebuild her life.
There is no benefit to having an unwanted infant out there or an infant the victims knows exists with his DNA somewhere.

It is not just the rape but the whole nine months that she is reminded of the rape an unable to move beyond what happened to her. Nine months of reliving the violation of her body by the rapist. Nine month of not being able to forget. Nine months of not having her own life back.

Rape is not something you easily forget if ever, but no rape victim should have to but not rape victim should have to be reminded every moment of every day for nine months what she experienced. You don't think it was bad enough the first time? Nine months is cruel punishment for a victim to go through.

Nine months doesn't last forever, but the memory of taking another life does and anyone who can go about their business as if they didn't do anything wrong after doing such a thing is a heartless person whether you believe that they are or not.

God bless you two and the girl always!!!

Holly

Spoken like a true religious extremist, and you are wrong on all counts.

Just because you think I am wrong doesn't mean that I really am.

^^^ Yes there is. Its called abortion whether you think it is legalized murder or not. It is.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Are you planning on taking her baby by force? No one says she's has to keep the baby, but that is what most women do after they deliver a baby.

No, but if she doesn't want it, why does it have to be killed? Killing it would only make her go from a victim to a legalized murderer. Doing away with the child will not erase the rape from her past anyways, so why add another wrong doing to the picture?

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

She doesn't abort them because she knows that doing so would only add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.
Maybe she doesn't abort the kids because she knows that doing such a thing would add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.


Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

First comment is very arrogant. A rape or incest victim doesn't choose to have unprotected sex. Esp the poor girl in this story. If you want to make the argument that there should be no exception for simply an unplanned pregnancy the fine, but that argument doesn't fly for rape victims.

Why should the baby have to die no matter how it is created? Killing the baby only makes the rape victim go from a rape victim to a murderer. Killing the baby will not erase its conception from the past anyways. If anything, it just adds another wrong doing to the picture.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Even if no one has the right, one way or another abortion is just another form of murdering an innocent life no matter how you and your ilk try to say that it isn't.

God bless you three and the girl always!!!

Holly

The deformity and pain of her body from the pregnancy makes it worse. The sooner the fetus is aborted, the sonner she can heal and rebuild her life.
There is no benefit to having an unwanted infant out there or an infant the victims knows exists with his DNA somewhere.

It is not just the rape but the whole nine months that she is reminded of the rape an unable to move beyond what happened to her. Nine months of reliving the violation of her body by the rapist. Nine month of not being able to forget. Nine months of not having her own life back.

Rape is not something you easily forget if ever, but no rape victim should have to but not rape victim should have to be reminded every moment of every day for nine months what she experienced. You don't think it was bad enough the first time? Nine months is cruel punishment for a victim to go through.

Nine months doesn't last forever, but the memory of taking another life does and anyone who can go about their business as if they didn't do anything wrong after doing such a thing is a heartless person whether you believe that they are or not.

God bless you two and the girl always!!!

Holly

What could you possibly understand about rape and especially rape of a child? If over a period of time the child would have been mentally coerced and probably others in the family threatened to make her comply. You want her to suffer nine months?
The fetus does not have a soul and is not a person in the first trimester. Bible does not recognize an infant till a month after birth. Nine month to a child is an eternity and nine months of a pregnancy is a hard thing to forget even for an adult. You expect a child to just get over it? It is not a life, it is not a person in the first trimester. It a reminder of the rape and abuse the victim suffered. Making her keep the pregnancy is heartless.

Killing an innocent child because of how it was conceived is heartless.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Are you planning on taking her baby by force? No one says she's has to keep the baby, but that is what most women do after they deliver a baby.

No, but if she doesn't want it, why does it have to be killed? Killing it would only make her go from a victim to a legalized murderer. Doing away with the child will not erase the rape from her past anyways, so why add another wrong doing to the picture?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

She doesn't abort them because she knows that doing so would only add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

Maybe she doesn't abort the kids because she knows that doing such a thing would add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

First comment is very arrogant. A rape or incest victim doesn't choose to have unprotected sex. Esp the poor girl in this story. If you want to make the argument that there should be no exception for simply an unplanned pregnancy the fine, but that argument doesn't fly for rape victims.

Why should the baby have to die no matter how it is created? Killing the baby only makes the rape victim go from a rape victim to a murderer. Killing the baby will not erase its conception from the past anyways. If anything, it just adds another wrong doing to the picture.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Even if no one has the right, one way or another abortion is just another form of murdering an innocent life no matter how you and your ilk try to say that it isn't.

God bless you three and the girl always!!!

Holly

The point is we're talking about a 10 year old girl, who belongs in a Pediatricians office, not an OBGYN clinic.

The grandmother of this little girl, and obviously the only one that loved her feared for her life--(as is normal) and wanted her to have an abortion, versus risking her life.

Now for all you nay-sayers I want you to put yourselves in this grandmother's position. If it was YOUR 9 or 10 year old daughter--would you risk her life (your daughter's or grand daughter's LIFE) so she could give birth? I think your answer would not only be NO but HELL NO. It's always easier to sit back and judge when crap happens to someone else.

Again--for you Huckabee supporters--why don't you take him to Paraguay--and leave the rest of us the hell alone. He could run for President over there--and everyone would agree with your extreme abortion stance.

As it is--91% of this nation would have agreed with the grandmothers decision. If this little girl had died giving birth, be assured that Huckabee would have never reported this story. This story was only to light up the candles on his no exception stance. And has he did in 2012 with having Senator Akin on his program--he has slammed dunked the Republican party again.

Killing that baby only makes it even more of a victim than the girl who was raped and it you never do realize that, then there is no hope for you either.

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

 

[Esmeralda]

You people are myoptic. This discussion is not about the general concept of abortion. IT IS ABOUT A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD WHO WAS RAPED BY HER STEPFATHER, BECAME PREGNANT FROM THAT RAPE, AND WAS FORCED BY HER GOVERNMENT TO BRING THE FETUS TO TERM AND GIVE BIRTH TO IT.

This IS A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD! Not a mature woman, not even a woman. Not a married woman and not a woman who is pregnant through a consentual sexual act. This CHILD was raped. She was raped by a parent. She has already been abused, seriously abused. Having to carry the fetus to term is more abuse. She should not be punished for being raped: to think it is okay to punish this child who was raped is inhumane in the extreme. In addition, her body is not capable of carrying the fetus to term w/o it being life threatening and permanently damaging her body, much less her spirit.

Anyone who advocates that a 10 year old rape victim is required to carry a fetus resulting from that rape to term and give birth to it is inhumane. I'll bet the farm that if it was your child, unless you are a monster, you would not want such a sentence of inhumanity to be visited upon your child. The only decent, loving person in that poor child's life seems to be her grandmother.

 

[playtime]

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

9 months or 19 yrs.........the choice of becoming a mother is up to the woman.

Everyone else can stick their opinions up their respective @$$

The woman has to decide what is best for her, not anyone else.

No child should be born unwanted. No woman should be forced to become a mother, till she is ready to take on that responsibility. Certainly no victim of rape should have to suffer with the burden of carrying the rapist spawn.

Whatever the reasons, it is up to the woman to decide her own future.

It is now but hopefully that will change one day. Those of us that care about the preborn should try to continue to fight for their lives.

You are pro birth. If you were truly pro life, then you would care about their little lives past the delivery room door & not continually vote for people that want to take food out of their mouths, take away their health care, housing & education that is so lovingly called "entitlements" .

 

[playtime]

A little bit off topic but has Planned Parenthood ever delivered a baby without killing it?

Moot point.

They don't deliver babies.

Do they kill babies?
I thought they aborted fetus'.

They kill preborn babies. Would it really shock you if they killed some after their birth? They have no feeling and it would not shock me at all.

Someone makes the final decision over that uterus. Not You. Not the Government. Smaller less intrusive Government is what is always desired by the right, except when it comes to the bedroom, marriage, & a woman's body. Then Big Brother is your buddy.

 

[playtime]

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Are you planning on taking her baby by force? No one says she's has to keep the baby, but that is what most women do after they deliver a baby.

No, but if she doesn't want it, why does it have to be killed? Killing it would only make her go from a victim to a legalized murderer. Doing away with the child will not erase the rape from her past anyways, so why add another wrong doing to the picture?

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

She doesn't abort them because she knows that doing so would only add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

Maybe she doesn't abort the kids because she knows that doing such a thing would add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

First comment is very arrogant. A rape or incest victim doesn't choose to have unprotected sex. Esp the poor girl in this story. If you want to make the argument that there should be no exception for simply an unplanned pregnancy the fine, but that argument doesn't fly for rape victims.

Why should the baby have to die no matter how it is created? Killing the baby only makes the rape victim go from a rape victim to a murderer. Killing the baby will not erase its conception from the past anyways. If anything, it just adds another wrong doing to the picture.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Even if no one has the right, one way or another abortion is just another form of murdering an innocent life no matter how you and your ilk try to say that it isn't.

God bless you three and the girl always!!!

Holly

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

 

[playtime]

^^^ Yes there is. Its called abortion whether you think it is legalized murder or not. It is.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Are you planning on taking her baby by force? No one says she's has to keep the baby, but that is what most women do after they deliver a baby.

No, but if she doesn't want it, why does it have to be killed? Killing it would only make her go from a victim to a legalized murderer. Doing away with the child will not erase the rape from her past anyways, so why add another wrong doing to the picture?

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Do you seeing her getting rid of her babies? No.

God bless you and her and family always!!!

Holly

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

She doesn't abort them because she knows that doing so would only add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Right, 'cause THAT would be against her religious beliefs.

Maybe she doesn't abort the kids because she knows that doing such a thing would add to her list of wrong doings. Instead she takes responsibility for her premarital sex.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

First comment is very arrogant. A rape or incest victim doesn't choose to have unprotected sex. Esp the poor girl in this story. If you want to make the argument that there should be no exception for simply an unplanned pregnancy the fine, but that argument doesn't fly for rape victims.

Why should the baby have to die no matter how it is created? Killing the baby only makes the rape victim go from a rape victim to a murderer. Killing the baby will not erase its conception from the past anyways. If anything, it just adds another wrong doing to the picture.

^^^ Abortion is still the doing away of another life, no matter why that life is not wanted.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

If people do not want pregnancy on their plate, they should learn not to spread certain things until their feelings are different. If they don't want the responsibility that comes with having sex, then don't have any until they want it.

Does it matter whether or not they were rape victims? The subject of the OP, who those here are a saying she should be forced to carry the child to term, is 10 yr old girl impregnated through sexual molestation.

Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Where is it written that she has to keep the baby? Oh yeah, that's right! No where!

God bless you three always!!!

Holly

Giving birth means becoming a mother - regardless of whether you keep the baby or not, you become a mother.

So, I'll ask again, the questions you DID NOT answer: Who has the right to tell a woman she must become a mother against her will? Does that same right include a right to tell her she must have an abortion against her will?

Even if no one has the right, one way or another abortion is just another form of murdering an innocent life no matter how you and your ilk try to say that it isn't.

God bless you three and the girl always!!!

Holly

The deformity and pain of her body from the pregnancy makes it worse. The sooner the fetus is aborted, the sonner she can heal and rebuild her life.
There is no benefit to having an unwanted infant out there or an infant the victims knows exists with his DNA somewhere.

It is not just the rape but the whole nine months that she is reminded of the rape an unable to move beyond what happened to her. Nine months of reliving the violation of her body by the rapist. Nine month of not being able to forget. Nine months of not having her own life back.

Rape is not something you easily forget if ever, but no rape victim should have to but not rape victim should have to be reminded every moment of every day for nine months what she experienced. You don't think it was bad enough the first time? Nine months is cruel punishment for a victim to go through.

Nine months doesn't last forever, but the memory of taking another life does and anyone who can go about their business as if they didn't do anything wrong after doing such a thing is a heartless person whether you believe that they are or not.

God bless you two and the girl always!!!

Holly

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

 

[playtime]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

If only a few women have abortions who had been raped, then why be so against this exception? What is it less than 5%? So why support such an irrelevant amount? I know the bullshit excuse that all life is precious. It's hypocritical when most pro-lifers support the death penalty (as they should), they support our involvement in wars (to which there are many wars worth fighting), they support one's right to self-defense etc, yet all life is precious. I digress.

If the GOP wants support and possibly get through abortion reforms, then they need to stop with the no abortions ever theme! It's a losing battle, as it should be. It doesn't show compassion for the unborn, it shows heartless indifference to a woman caught in one of the worst situations imaginable.

I believe the vast majority of Americans do not support late term abortions, but they also don't support banning abortion for rape or incest victims. They fear, as I do, their mother, sister, daughter, spouse, cousin, friend etc get put in that situation. I also think the majority support abortion for teenagers and when there are birth defects.

This extremist view gets the base all warm and fuzzy, but it loses them the independents. That is why they never want to talk about it yet the Democrats always like to bring it up.


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Why should the baby die for a crime it didn't commit?

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If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

Bristol Palin knew the word "abstinence"

Twice.

Did she kill her baby?

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It was HER choice not to. However. why didn't she use birth control the first time? Why didn't she use it the 2nd time, especially after being paid for lecturing on the ills of her bad decision the first time & 'abstinence' was the way to go? Because birth control & abortion is against her religion, but not fornicating? What a screwed up hypocritical way of thinking. Hence the ROTFL emoji I included in my reply to the 'God bless you' poster.

 

[playtime]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

There are millions of children in need of safe secure homes out there. Care for them before bringing more unwanted children in to the world.
A women has a right in the bible and under the law to decide when they want to be a mother.

Don't want unwanted children? Don't have sex. Killing a innocent baby be CA use you have no self control is evil

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Why do you want all these irresponsible people raising babies?

Damn shame liberal teachers and parents made them this way

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Then I suppose Bristol took money to lecture about single motherhood, & abstinence only is the only way to make sure you don't get pregnant & then she got pregnant again the same way she did the first time was a direct result of how her parents' made her that way. Right? Must be.

 

[aris2chat]

A little bit off topic but has Planned Parenthood ever delivered a baby without killing it?

Moot point.

They don't deliver babies.

Do they kill babies?
I thought they aborted fetus'.

They kill preborn babies. Would it really shock you if they killed some after their birth? They have no feeling and it would not shock me at all.

Someone makes the final decision over that uterus. Not You. Not the Government. Smaller less intrusive Government is what is always desired by the right, except when it comes to the bedroom, marriage, & a woman's body. Then Big Brother is your buddy.

^^^ Yes there is. Its called abortion whether you think it is legalized murder or not. It is.

Nine months doesn't last forever, but the memory of taking another life does and anyone who can go about their business as if they didn't do anything wrong after doing such a thing is a heartless person whether you believe that they are or not.

God bless you two and the girl always!!!

Holly

What could you possibly understand about rape and especially rape of a child? If over a period of time the child would have been mentally coerced and probably others in the family threatened to make her comply. You want her to suffer nine months?
The fetus does not have a soul and is not a person in the first trimester. Bible does not recognize an infant till a month after birth. Nine month to a child is an eternity and nine months of a pregnancy is a hard thing to forget even for an adult. You expect a child to just get over it? It is not a life, it is not a person in the first trimester. It a reminder of the rape and abuse the victim suffered. Making her keep the pregnancy is heartless.

You are talking to a rock. She knows that 70,000 young girls die each year due to pregnancies and she does not care for anything but the fetus.

I've seen girls who were raped married off to their rapists. I've seen rape used as weapon of war. I've seen children abused and mutilated by rapists. I've seen them abused in the name of religion. There is nothing moral in rape or holy in a child living through a pregnancy. Anyone that thinks otherwise is sick. Children die far more often in childbirth than adults. How is it moral for a baby to be having a baby? If the child doe snot die, most suffer internal damage that often make it impossible for them to have children later in life.

The child is more important that a fetus of rape. The child is more important than an unwanted infant. There is no moral justification for a child to be forced to be a mother. She needs a mother, she is too young to be having a child of her own.

We don't allow children to decide to gt married. Why in the name of anything holy would anyone consider it right for a child to be having a child? They have not finished school, can't vote, can't drive, can't hold a full time job, can't rent an apartment, can't buy medicine, can't sign for medical treatment for herself or the child, can't even be expected to responsibly care for the child.

No child's body should be put through abuse of any kind, let alone a nine month pregnancy.

A 10 year old child isn't even old enough to babysit another child in my state. In my state you must be at least 12.

Well, according to Huckabee & his fans, it's O.K. for a 10 year old to give birth, and risk her own life in the process at the same time. If he finds an even younger little girl that gives birth and actually survives--he'll report on that too. He won't discuss the ones that have died though, that's out of the question.

There are too many kids of 10 and up that are giving birth.

 

[kaz]

GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee supports Paraguay's decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim, he revealed in an interview Sunday.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," the former Arkansas governor argued that the Paraguayan government's refusal to allow an abortion for the now-11-year-old, who gave birth last week after being raped by her stepfather, prevented a second tragedy.

"Let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible, but does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child?" he asked. He added later, "When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist and I just don't want to think that somehow we discounted a human life ... Let's not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life."

Paraguay law allows abortion only “in very rare cases when it’s deemed necessary to save a woman’s life,” ThinkProgress noted.

Huckabee Backs Denying Abortion To 10-Year-Old Raped By Stepfather

Wow, a 10-year-old raped by her stepfather doesn't even qualify for an abortion in Huckabee's mind. That is barbaric! I can't imagine someone like him as president.

Wow, that's as sick as partial birth abortions

 

[JOSweetHeart]

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[bornright]

A little bit off topic but has Planned Parenthood ever delivered a baby without killing it?

Moot point.

They don't deliver babies.

Do they kill babies?
I thought they aborted fetus'.

They kill preborn babies. Would it really shock you if they killed some after their birth? They have no feeling and it would not shock me at all.

There is no such thing as a 'pre-born baby.'

An embryo/fetus is not a 'baby.'

Abortion is legal and not 'murder.'

There is such a thing as preborn babies. It is alive with a heartbeat and if someone does not murder this baby it will continue to grow and live.

 

[bornright]

A little bit off topic but has Planned Parenthood ever delivered a baby without killing it?

Moot point.

They don't deliver babies.

Do they kill babies?
I thought they aborted fetus'.

They kill preborn babies. Would it really shock you if they killed some after their birth? They have no feeling and it would not shock me at all.

Someone makes the final decision over that uterus. Not You. Not the Government. Smaller less intrusive Government is what is always desired by the right, except when it comes to the bedroom, marriage, & a woman's body. Then Big Brother is your buddy.

What could you possibly understand about rape and especially rape of a child? If over a period of time the child would have been mentally coerced and probably others in the family threatened to make her comply. You want her to suffer nine months?
The fetus does not have a soul and is not a person in the first trimester. Bible does not recognize an infant till a month after birth. Nine month to a child is an eternity and nine months of a pregnancy is a hard thing to forget even for an adult. You expect a child to just get over it? It is not a life, it is not a person in the first trimester. It a reminder of the rape and abuse the victim suffered. Making her keep the pregnancy is heartless.

You are talking to a rock. She knows that 70,000 young girls die each year due to pregnancies and she does not care for anything but the fetus.

I've seen girls who were raped married off to their rapists. I've seen rape used as weapon of war. I've seen children abused and mutilated by rapists. I've seen them abused in the name of religion. There is nothing moral in rape or holy in a child living through a pregnancy. Anyone that thinks otherwise is sick. Children die far more often in childbirth than adults. How is it moral for a baby to be having a baby? If the child doe snot die, most suffer internal damage that often make it impossible for them to have children later in life.

The child is more important that a fetus of rape. The child is more important than an unwanted infant. There is no moral justification for a child to be forced to be a mother. She needs a mother, she is too young to be having a child of her own.

We don't allow children to decide to gt married. Why in the name of anything holy would anyone consider it right for a child to be having a child? They have not finished school, can't vote, can't drive, can't hold a full time job, can't rent an apartment, can't buy medicine, can't sign for medical treatment for herself or the child, can't even be expected to responsibly care for the child.

No child's body should be put through abuse of any kind, let alone a nine month pregnancy.

A 10 year old child isn't even old enough to babysit another child in my state. In my state you must be at least 12.

Well, according to Huckabee & his fans, it's O.K. for a 10 year old to give birth, and risk her own life in the process at the same time. If he finds an even younger little girl that gives birth and actually survives--he'll report on that too. He won't discuss the ones that have died though, that's out of the question.

There are too many kids of 10 and up that are giving birth.

I agree there are too many kids having babies. Only responsible adults should have children. I disagree with your view on controlling this by killing the babies.

 

[Coyote]

You people are pathetic, simply pathetic. There is NO reason for the sheer numbers of abortions taking place in this nation. None.

Poor education and fewer constructive activities to support the mental and physical needs for children and young women

They don't understand investing in our future, they only want to reserve the right to bitch and moan.

How do you invest in the future when you are killing them?

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You take care of the ones already born first.

You don't think we do?:what bullshit.

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I see little evidence of it.

 

[Coyote]

If a woman, has no right to decide whether she is ready to be a mother - who then has that right?

Who has the right to tell a 10 yr old child, who was raped, she has no choice?

My question is how many females who have abortions done when they get pregnant were actually rape victims? My guess is not many, that the major of those who get abortions either were not ready to be a mom or did not want children at all period. To me, they need to learn the meaning of the word abstinence if they do not have the money to get their tubes tied up either.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Yes there is a chance that every child who is put up for adoption may not ever get parents, but at least they will be alive in order to get a family of their own once they are old enough to get married. Also being alive means that they will have the ability to give something to the world. In my opinion, children who have been done away with could have grown up to be anything.

If only a few women have abortions who had been raped, then why be so against this exception? What is it less than 5%? So why support such an irrelevant amount? I know the bullshit excuse that all life is precious. It's hypocritical when most pro-lifers support the death penalty (as they should), they support our involvement in wars (to which there are many wars worth fighting), they support one's right to self-defense etc, yet all life is precious. I digress.

If the GOP wants support and possibly get through abortion reforms, then they need to stop with the no abortions ever theme! It's a losing battle, as it should be. It doesn't show compassion for the unborn, it shows heartless indifference to a woman caught in one of the worst situations imaginable.

I believe the vast majority of Americans do not support late term abortions, but they also don't support banning abortion for rape or incest victims. They fear, as I do, their mother, sister, daughter, spouse, cousin, friend etc get put in that situation. I also think the majority support abortion for teenagers and when there are birth defects.

This extremist view gets the base all warm and fuzzy, but it loses them the independents. That is why they never want to talk about it yet the Democrats always like to bring it up.


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Why should the baby die for a crime it didn't commit?

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What crime did the 10 year old girl commit?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Thoughts and questions on abortion:

WHY…..Do you people insist on pushing for an end to ALL legal abortion? Logic and common sense should tell you that it will not actually end abortion. I have to really wonder what you really believe in and what your true motives are. Is it to be able to claim moral superiority by saying that you are unequivocally against abortion, while being able to avoid responsibility for damage caused by illegal abortions as well as the suffering that results for having children who are unwanted? Or, is it about the control of women and their bodies? I have to suspect that it is, at least in part the later as evidenced by the degree of indifference and even hostility towards women’s needs including but not limited to birth control. You make no sense to me what so ever!
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I can understand that you believe in the sanctity of human life and that you believe that life begins at conception. You are certainly entitled to that belief, but others do not believe that it is a human life at conception, and they too are equally entitled to that belief. Here is a though. Don’t religious people also believe in the human soul? A spirit that comes from god and returns the heavens upon death? If so, then there really is no death. Can you look at abortion as a means of delaying the transformation of that soul into the physical body until it can make the transition into the world at a better time and in a better place

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Let’s be clear about something. Ending or overly restricting legal abortion will not end abortion and may not even significantly reduce the number of abortions. Rather, it will force the practice back under ground to be performed by the back ally butchers who will endanger women’s health and even their lives, and escape any restrictions on late term abortions which may well increase in numbers

Please understand this. Most people who are pro-choice are not callously pro-abortion. Regardless of ones beliefs about when life begins, we recognize that abortion is not a pleasant or desirable thing. I for one have no problem with overall policies that are aimed at making abortion rare-although I am adamant that they should still be available.

How do we do that? By supporting meaningful sex education and the availability of contraception for starters. Then, by ensuring that women and families are confident that they will have the help and support that they need if they choose to carry the child to term. That would include nutritional and financial assistance, affordable day care, early child hood education, and health care coverage for starters. How about we throw in tax policies that strengthen the middle class and promote job growth. The problem is that too many pro-life conservatives are against all or most of these things and there for they are really just pro fetus and pro birth.

I believe that most pro-choice people would, in turn agree to a ban on late term abortions that are not medically necessary and ensure that the woman is fully aware of all alternatives including adoption. And speaking of adoption, they need to get over the hysteria about allowing gays and lesbians to adopt. They are a valuable resource for children who might otherwise suffer at the hands of a parent who was not prepared to care for them, or languish in the foster care system.

Is it possible for conservative to get smart about this, or will they insist on clinging to absurd positions of just wanting abortion stopped, even in cases of rape, incest or a danger to the mother’s life.? Are you will to come out right now as being truly pro-life, pro women, pro-family and pro children ? If you cannot or will not, but continue to b staunchly anti abortion, you are displaying the very height of hypocrisy.

 

[playtime]

It's a pregnancy that never should have happened in the first place. Punishing a female for a rape, by forcing her to carry a rapist's offspring in her body, for 9 months, eventually feeling it move inside her- going thru the pain of giving birth all against her will is cruel & is torturous. Failed responsible birth control is no different... it's a conception that never should have occurred.

Just because a person is raped does not give them the right to do something wrong as well by doing away with the baby. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean that you have to follow their lead. If you saw someone jump off a bridge, would you jump as well?

Do you have children? Grown children? I bet you remember being pregnant. I bet you remember how it felt when they moved inside you. I bet you remember giving birth. Getting that cord cut. No matter how many years later. Now add in how you were forced to remember all that, because you will not be able to forget. A woman will have had her memory & her mind violated just the same as her body. But apparently all that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

I don't have kids and I've never been pregnant because I have yet to jump off of a certain bench, but if my behind was pride loose from it in any way, I would not make the baby pay as well if one were to soon appear. Someone doing something wrong to me would not give me the right to do something wrong to someone else!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

" Just because" <---- right there says it all. You have no real concern. And saying "God Bless" with every post means nothing when it's just automatic. People say that when someone sneezes.... no real intent behind it. And you can talk the talk of a Christian, but when it comes to walking that walk, you sound so very very selfish. LOL, Try reading a little Matthew 6: 5-6.

 

[thanatos144]

You people are myoptic. This discussion is not about the general concept of abortion. IT IS ABOUT A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD WHO WAS RAPED BY HER STEPFATHER, BECAME PREGNANT FROM THAT RAPE, AND WAS FORCED BY HER GOVERNMENT TO BRING THE FETUS TO TERM AND GIVE BIRTH TO IT.

This IS A 10 YEAR OLD CHILD! Not a mature woman, not even a woman. Not a married woman and not a woman who is pregnant through a consentual sexual act. This CHILD was raped. She was raped by a parent. She has already been abused, seriously abused. Having to carry the fetus to term is more abuse. She should not be punished for being raped: to think it is okay to punish this child who was raped is inhumane in the extreme. In addition, her body is not capable of carrying the fetus to term w/o it being life threatening and permanently damaging her body, much less her spirit.

Anyone who advocates that a 10 year old rape victim is required to carry a fetus resulting from that rape to term and give birth to it is inhumane. I'll bet the farm that if it was your child, unless you are a monster, you would not want such a sentence of inhumanity to be visited upon your child. The only decent, loving person in that poor child's life seems to be her grandmother.

So age of mother should automatically mean death to the innocent baby? If you don't like the laws in her country move there and try and change it. It is a good thing a innocent baby was not killed

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