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Nope, I just call 'em like i see 'em. Anyone who rolls into this thread with this kind of stuff has no interest in anything but trying to affect others negatively. He's a waste of flesh.
Oh shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch and PROVE where he is wrong.
But I know that actually reading through a post and trying to think about it and make sure you understand it is contrary to you libtards operating procedures, but you might want to do it at least occasionally.
You're welcome, libtard.
Your attacks made the two of you virtually interchangeable.
Thanks, it seems every day is hump day these days......
lol.
I hate being out of work.
Out of work like construction, temp layoff, or looking for a new job? Either way, not being productive sucks, squared.
Herniated disk at T7-T8
Painful and cant sit for too long or back cramps up.
Thanks for your concern. It is appreciated.
The things I say are 'rough and tumble'
No, I mean Obama's death panels. The same ones that REQUIRE end of life counseling.
Sweet Jebus but you are stupid. How can you stand being so dumb?
PROVE where he is wrong.
Where's your link?Sweet Jebus but you are stupid. How can you stand being so dumb?
PROVE where he is wrong.
Sure, Shortbus, I'll be glad to.
The "death panels" are for living wills. A living will is a document people are given to fill out and sign before major surgery, upon entering a nursing home, when making out a will at the attorney's office, on senior citizen and healthcare websites, et cetera.
The living will has a list of options on what should be done should the person suffer an illness or injury requiring life support and the person is unable to communicate their wishes.
The options of a living will are basically do not resuscitate, resuscitate but discontinue life support if brain dead, resuscitate and keep on life support for x period of time, resuscitate and keep on life support indefinately.
The choices are entirely up to the patient to make. In addition the person may designate a power of attorney (separate paperwork) and make out a regular will (more separate paperwork.)
NO ONE COUNSELS OLD PEOPLE ON WHAT WILL BE DONE TO KILL THEM.
Sarah Palin and company lied.
Interesting that the lying **** and her crew of ugly never told you that the insurance companies routinely denied coverage for certain procedures to persons over a certain age because it cut into the insurance companies' profits. Those were the real death panels.
Got any more red herrings to throw out there? Living wills have nothing to do with Obama's end of life counselling in his fucked up healthcare scam. Try again, hack.Link? Dude, it's common knowledge, right up there with the earth not being flat.
Here, try this:
What is a Living Will? - AllLaw.com
Good to know that you're a regressive willing to swallow any narrative, no matter how implausable, that comes from the extremists.
Got any more red herrings to throw out there? Living wills have nothing to do with Obama's end of life counselling in his fucked up healthcare scam. Try again, hack.Link? Dude, it's common knowledge, right up there with the earth not being flat.
Here, try this:
What is a Living Will? - AllLaw.com
Good to know that you're a regressive willing to swallow any narrative, no matter how implausable, that comes from the extremists.
I'll give you the same answer you gave me.Got any more red herrings to throw out there? Living wills have nothing to do with Obama's end of life counselling in his fucked up healthcare scam. Try again, hack.Link? Dude, it's common knowledge, right up there with the earth not being flat.
Here, try this:
What is a Living Will? - AllLaw.com
Good to know that you're a regressive willing to swallow any narrative, no matter how implausable, that comes from the extremists.
They have everything to do with it, liar. Living wills are what the wingnut pundits were referring to when they claimed "death panels."
I'll tell you what, YOU post a link that proves that there is a death panel.
No one has been able to since the bill was signed. Because there is no death panel.
Link to the death panel, SJ. Post it.
Link? Dude, it's common knowledge, right up there with the earth not being flat.
Great news, but it'll wreak havoc on Obama's death panels.
If it's true. Killing cancer cells and not killing a person are two different things.
Had you read the article, you might have observed that it stated the amount of healthy cells killed was not even close to the amount of cancer cells killed.
But I know that actually reading through a post and trying to think about it and make sure you understand it is contrary to you libtards operating procedures, but you might want to do it at least occasionally.
You're welcome, libtard.
Link? Dude, it's common knowledge, right up there with the earth not being flat.
Here, try this:
What is a Living Will? - AllLaw.com
Good to know that you're a regressive willing to swallow any narrative, no matter how implausable, that comes from the extremists.
Sweet Jebus but you are stupid. How can you stand being so dumb?
PROVE where he is wrong.
Sure, Shortbus, I'll be glad to.
The "death panels" are for living wills. A living will is a document people are given to fill out and sign before major surgery, upon entering a nursing home, when making out a will at the attorney's office, on senior citizen and healthcare websites, et cetera.
The living will has a list of options on what should be done should the person suffer an illness or injury requiring life support and the person is unable to communicate their wishes.
The options of a living will are basically do not resuscitate, resuscitate but discontinue life support if brain dead, resuscitate and keep on life support for x period of time, resuscitate and keep on life support indefinately.
The choices are entirely up to the patient to make. In addition the person may designate a power of attorney (separate paperwork) and make out a regular will (more separate paperwork.)
NO ONE COUNSELS OLD PEOPLE ON WHAT WILL BE DONE TO KILL THEM.
Sarah Palin and company lied.
Interesting that the lying **** and her crew of ugly never told you that the insurance companies routinely denied coverage for certain procedures to persons over a certain age because it cut into the insurance companies' profits. Those were the real death panels.
If it's true. Killing cancer cells and not killing a person are two different things.
Had you read the article, you might have observed that it stated the amount of healthy cells killed was not even close to the amount of cancer cells killed.
But I know that actually reading through a post and trying to think about it and make sure you understand it is contrary to you libtards operating procedures, but you might want to do it at least occasionally.
You're welcome, libtard.
I did read the article. Two years before you apparently and I still gave it some credence. That even makes you mad.
STEVE MALZBERG: I think they focused on the death panels which will be coming, call them what you will. Rationing is part of it.
MARK HALPERIN: I agree. Huge. It’s going to be a huge issue, and that’s something else about which the President was not fully forthcoming and straightforward.
MALZBERG: Alright, so you believe that there will be rationing, AKA death panels.
HALPERIN: It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled.
MALZBERG: Yeah, okay.
HALPERIN: But I’ll say something else about that issue which is we do need to do have some of that in this country because we can't afford to spend so much on end-of-life care. A very high percentage of our healthcare spending is for a very small number of people at the last stages of their life. I'm not saying the system shouldn't allow that, but there's too much cost. There are judgments have to be made. We have to decide…
MALZBERG: Made by who, Mark? Mark, made by who? The government?
HALPERIN: By individuals. No, by individuals. And health insurance companies.
MALZBERG: But it’s not going to be made by individuals if you say it’s included in the healthcare…
HALPERIN: It’s not now for many people who have insurance, their insurance companies make those decisions.
MALZBERG: But they don’t pull, it’s very rare that they, in other words, if someone needs a bypass, the insurance company doesn’t say put them in a hospice or give them a pill like Tom Daschle told that he would do. I mean…
HALPERIN: Sometimes, sometimes people run up against caps and costs with their insurance that make it impractical to get certain kind of coverage. But don’t, don’t draw me into a false argument here about what I’m saying. All I’m saying is as a society, we need to have this discussion in an honest and straightforward way because we can’t afford everything, every instance that people would like to have?
MALZBERG: And has, okay, and has the President been forthcoming that we need to have that argument? No.
HALPERIN: No he was not, and Democrats were not when the law passed.
ObamaCare’s cost-cutting board — memorably called a “death panel” by Sarah Palin — is facing growing opposition from Democrats who say it will harm people on Medicare.
Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean drew attention to the board designed to limit Medicare cost growth when he called for its repeal in an op-ed late last month.
Halperin agreed with the host that “death panels were coming.” Halperin told MSNBC he was referring to health care rationing that would be an inevitable consequence of the Affordable Care Act’s attempts at cost controls.
“I said something imprecisely,” Halperin said. “I was asked about rationing or ‘death panels’ in the Affordable Care Act…I didn’t use the phrase and I don’t think there death panels in the Affordable Care Act.”....
“The point I was trying to make—and which I did make—is that there is in the law something intended to lower health care costs, which will produce rationing, whether you think rationing is a good or bad idea,” Halperin said.
“However you want to call rationing, at some point we’re going to have a system that doesn’t allow people to have as many MRIs as they want to have,” host Joe Scarborough said. ...
“Let’s separate the two things out,” Steve Rattner said. “The death panel thing happened because there was something the original bill that said that people could get counseling near the end of life to make the best decisions. Sarah Palin found this, went crazy, started talking about death panels. So they did a 180, and now the law says you cannot change benefits, you cannot do anything to change people’s availabilities.”
“They say that, but the way markets work is if you restrict payments to providers, it’s going to have an impact on patients,” Halperin replied. “Whether we should have a system that has the government play a role in deciding how much care people can have at the end of life, my point is: Obamacare does that. That’s where we are headed. We’re going have to have a big national debate about it. Part of the political challenge for the president now is, every one of the things that wasn’t discussed on passage, wasn’t discussed in the context of the presidential campaign, is going to be controversial, and the president’s going to have to defend it.”
