Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Thread

[jc456]

Yes and they just all happen to now stand opposed to your freakish Trump cult fetishes. or whatever the hell is worming into your brain on this topic.

Can't even FATHOM any research scientist going public with an EXPRESSED POLITICAL HATRED clouding their objectivity.. I have no Trump fetish... I'm STAUNCHLY in favor of both existing political parties getting tarred/feather and boxcar-ed the HELL out of DC...

But here you are looking for the freakish scientists that want to toss their academic fat asses around to the public because "Fuck Trump"...

ALL Trump did here was try to offer hope and compassion to those suffering, scared or worried about older loved ones. And if it turns out -- this WAS one of better therapies, which I think IT MIGHT -- it's just gonna make your head explode -- isn't it???

I don't care if it only save 10,000 lives worldwide and the rest were coinkydinks.. It's NOT gonna hurt a lot of people that DONT have CHFailure or severe arrhythmia..

The problem is that Trump gave hydroxychloroquine a very inaccurate, generic miracle cure image, to a hysterically scared mob.
The truth is hydroxychloroquine will harm those who have not yet gotten a severe case, by suppressing their immune system, and making their infection worse. Hydroxychloroquine actually only helps on more advanced cases where pneumonia has set in.
And clearly Trump did cause the death of one person who overdosed and died from hydroxychloroquine.
What Trump forgot is that everyone can get all the hydroxychloroquine they want, through veterinary sources, so due to his inaccurate over statement, people will harm themselves.
Instead he should have left it in the hands of the doctors.

nope, thanks message board guy.

 

[jc456]

So you think every single one is lying.

Not one of the options I listed was "lying". So i can say I don't think any of them are lying at all, and my response still stands, in its entirety. Goddamn, you're like a child. This is pointless.

If you won't put on your big boy pants for me, put them on for yourself and read this:

“Miracle cure” testimonials aside, azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine probably do not work against COVID-19

Here we go again. Didier Raoult has published another uninformative study looking at the use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat COVID-19. Unfortunately, recent data examining these drugs

sciencebasedmedicine.org

So aside from 100s of testimonials? Again if your loved one was very ill with the COVID-19 would you ask the MD to use it. Yes or no? I 100% would.

No, the indications are that hydroxychloroquine will make it easier for COVID-19 to start an infection if you do not already have one. In fact, hydroxychloroquine is only good if you already have pneumonia, and your immune system is attacking your lungs.
So only a doctor can tell if it will be helpful or harmful in each case.

Ummm, no. Chloroquine inhibits the virus’ ability to replicate itself.

No, that is not true. That is a guess based on using hydroxychloroquine as a transport mechanism to carry zine or other things into cells, to make them more akaline or otherwise less conducive to virus replication. Nothing totally stops virus replication, and anything interfering with virus replication also is harmful to the human cells as well.

 

[MacTheKnife]

My best wishes to the participants in this study. I hope their hearts are working properly again soon and I hope we continue to try to find cures for this horrible coronavirus.

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications (Published 2020)

A research trial of coronavirus patients in Brazil ended after patients taking a higher dose of chloroquine, one of the drugs President Trump has promoted, developed irregular heart rates.

www.nytimes.com

Yes. If you take drugs at nearly TWICE the recommended dosage, bad things can happen.

It's breathtaking, how truly ghoulish you cretins are. I mean that.

Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine): Side Effects, Uses, Dosage, Interactions, Warnings

Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine) may treat, side effects, dosage, drug interactions, warnings, patient labeling, reviews, and related medications including drug comparison and health resources.

www.rxlist.com

that's not what my sister's doctor said. any amt would kill her.

No one claimed it was a cure or good for everyone. If it can only be used by a half or even a third of people as an effective treatment, then what is wrong with that?

It’s almost as if the far left don’t want any treatment to work and they want to prolong this whole thing out and have the maximum amount of deaths.

That is exactly what they want.

you're insane. & it's ironic as hell - when you can't stand the idea of wearing a mask to help keep those around you safe & cheerlead for those willing to buck the shelter in place to go to church because of 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you don't give a damn about possibly infecting someone's gramma or a pregger or a newborn.

you're pro life stance is just a farce.

You thugs just want an excuse to shut down churches.

^ um ... no.

Bishop who said 'God is larger than this dreaded virus' dies of Covid-19
CNN Profiles - Rebekah Riess - News Editor, National Content Center - CNN
By Rebekah Riess, CNN
Updated 5:44 AM ET, Tue April 14, 2020

Bishop who said 'God is larger than this dreaded virus' dies of Covid-19

And? People are dying of the virus with the shutdown in place. Can you prove he wouldn’t had gotten the virus if there was no church services?

Why is it okay for people to go to a grocery store or liquor store, but not a church?

Unbelievable the stupidity one encounters on this board....well first of all not all states have restricted church meetings .....any how people have to eat....and in such stressful times some need the comfort of a good drink not even to mention some claim whiskey helps with the virus.

Is there one essential reason for holding a church service where many could be exposed to the virus....btw what snake handler church do you belong to?

Most churches are voluntarily closing their doors for the time being.



claim whiskey helps repel the virus.

Man with coronavirus claims he overcame illness with ‘hot whiskey and honey’

A British man living in China claims he beat the new coronavirus by downing glass of “hot whiskey and honey.”

www.foxnews.com

 

[Rigby5]

So aside from 100s of testimonials?

Right, those are not informative.

These "scientists" Cum "activists in labcoats -- lose 100% of their credibility RIGHT HERE in the link..

Please, you are a nonsecientist and the biggest louodmouth of them all. You have less cred. And certainly none of them have less than this Raoult quack.

So again are you going to answer me? Or keep dodging? You’re such a coward.

There are no testimonials, much less 100% of them.
There are people who survived and believe hydroxychloroquine was responsible, when it likely was not.
Hydroxychloroquine by itself is not showing much promise at all.
The only way it is showing promise is as a transport mechanism for other things like zinc or antibiotics, and only seems to help with extreme cases where the harm it can cause no longer matters.

Just ask yourself why should anything be released to the public, when it is only the doctors who understand what and when anything like this can be helpful?

I disagree. It is likely that it WAS. So you're smarter than Dr. Stephen Smith who has treated over 100 with this medicine successfully and it has been released to the public. Millions of doses world wide. You are a consistent negative Nelly and a contrarian. Stop telling me my opinion is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong.

No, Dr. Smith ran no tests at all.
Here is what he did:
{...
Smith, who is treating 72 COVID-19 patients, said that he has been treating "everybody with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin [an antibiotic]. We’ve been doing so for a while.”
...}
Notice first of all he treated "everybody" the same.
That means he had no control group.
He then has no idea if anyone in such a small group would have died at all.
Remember it only has a 1.8% death rate, so one would not expect anyone to die in a group of only 72.
In order to tell what effect any particular drug has, you have to divide into 2 groups, one with and one without, and then compare. He did not do that. So has nothing to base anything on.

Second is that he is only treating people who are already in advances cases and have pneumonia, and it is then not at all surprising that giving antibiotics helps. Of course we should expect antibiotics to help with those who have advanced pneumonia. But that does not allow us to tell if hydroxychloroquine alone helps or not?

Of course opinions can be wrong when they are not based on fact, but instead on emotional reaction. Opinions based on emotions can be wrong but still useful before you have any facts. But once you have the facts, then you are supposed to re-evaluate your opinion to base it on fact instead of emotions.

And it is easy to show why it is wrong to be overly enthusiastic about hydroxychloroquine at this point. One is that already such over confidence has killed one person who over dosed on hydroxychloroquine. Second is that this over confidence is going to cause hoading of hydroxychloroquine, which will harm medical facilities that can actually use it. Third is that since it lowers the immune response of the person, it likely will increase spread if lots of uninfected people start taking it.

 

[jc456]

My best wishes to the participants in this study. I hope their hearts are working properly again soon and I hope we continue to try to find cures for this horrible coronavirus.

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications (Published 2020)

A research trial of coronavirus patients in Brazil ended after patients taking a higher dose of chloroquine, one of the drugs President Trump has promoted, developed irregular heart rates.

www.nytimes.com

Yes. If you take drugs at nearly TWICE the recommended dosage, bad things can happen.

It's breathtaking, how truly ghoulish you cretins are. I mean that.

Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine): Side Effects, Uses, Dosage, Interactions, Warnings

Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine) may treat, side effects, dosage, drug interactions, warnings, patient labeling, reviews, and related medications including drug comparison and health resources.

www.rxlist.com

that's not what my sister's doctor said. any amt would kill her.

No one claimed it was a cure or good for everyone. If it can only be used by a half or even a third of people as an effective treatment, then what is wrong with that?

It’s almost as if the far left don’t want any treatment to work and they want to prolong this whole thing out and have the maximum amount of deaths.

That is exactly what they want.

you're insane. & it's ironic as hell - when you can't stand the idea of wearing a mask to help keep those around you safe & cheerlead for those willing to buck the shelter in place to go to church because of 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you don't give a damn about possibly infecting someone's gramma or a pregger or a newborn.

you're pro life stance is just a farce.

You thugs just want an excuse to shut down churches.

^ um ... no.

Bishop who said 'God is larger than this dreaded virus' dies of Covid-19
CNN Profiles - Rebekah Riess - News Editor, National Content Center - CNN
By Rebekah Riess, CNN
Updated 5:44 AM ET, Tue April 14, 2020

Bishop who said 'God is larger than this dreaded virus' dies of Covid-19

And? People are dying of the virus with the shutdown in place. Can you prove he wouldn’t had gotten the virus if there was no church services?

Why is it okay for people to go to a grocery store or liquor store, but not a church?

Unbelievable the stupidity one encounters on this board....well first of all not all states have restricted church meetings .....any how people have to eat....and in such stressful times some need the comfort of a good drink not even to mention some claim whiskey helps repel the virus.

Man with coronavirus claims he overcame illness with ‘hot whiskey and honey’

A British man living in China claims he beat the new coronavirus by downing glass of “hot whiskey and honey.”

www.foxnews.com

so how does the need for food change the spread exactly? your post has to be the stupid statement on the board today.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So aside from 100s of testimonials?

Right, those are not informative.

These "scientists" Cum "activists in labcoats -- lose 100% of their credibility RIGHT HERE in the link..

Please, you are a nonsecientist and the biggest louodmouth of them all. You have less cred. And certainly none of them have less than this Raoult quack.

So again are you going to answer me? Or keep dodging? You’re such a coward.

There are no testimonials, much less 100% of them.
There are people who survived and believe hydroxychloroquine was responsible, when it likely was not.
Hydroxychloroquine by itself is not showing much promise at all.
The only way it is showing promise is as a transport mechanism for other things like zinc or antibiotics, and only seems to help with extreme cases where the harm it can cause no longer matters.

Just ask yourself why should anything be released to the public, when it is only the doctors who understand what and when anything like this can be helpful?

I disagree. It is likely that it WAS. So you're smarter than Dr. Stephen Smith who has treated over 100 with this medicine successfully and it has been released to the public. Millions of doses world wide. You are a consistent negative Nelly and a contrarian. Stop telling me my opinion is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong.

No, Dr. Smith ran no tests at all.
Here is what he did:
{...
Smith, who is treating 72 COVID-19 patients, said that he has been treating "everybody with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin [an antibiotic]. We’ve been doing so for a while.”
...}
Notice first of all he treated "everybody" the same.
That means he had no control group.
He then has no idea if anyone in such a small group would have died at all.
Remember it only has a 1.8% death rate, so one would not expect anyone to die in a group of only 72.
In order to tell what effect any particular drug has, you have to divide into 2 groups, one with and one without, and then compare. He did not do that. So has nothing to base anything on.

Second is that he is only treating people who are already in advances cases and have pneumonia, and it is then not at all surprising that giving antibiotics helps. Of course we should expect antibiotics to help with those who have advanced pneumonia. But that does not allow us to tell if hydroxychloroquine alone helps or not?

Of course opinions can be wrong when they are not based on fact, but instead on emotional reaction. Opinions based on emotions can be wrong but still useful before you have any facts. But once you have the facts, then you are supposed to re-evaluate your opinion to base it on fact instead of emotions.

And it is easy to show why it is wrong to be overly enthusiastic about hydroxychloroquine at this point. One is that already such over confidence has killed one person who over dosed on hydroxychloroquine. Second is that this over confidence is going to cause hoading of hydroxychloroquine, which will harm medical facilities that can actually use it. Third is that since it lowers the immune response of the person, it likely will increase spread if lots of uninfected people start taking it.

Why would he need a control group when it worked on 99% of his patients? He is not running an experiment, he is saving lives. Control group means you let people die.

 

[Rigby5]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

So it was the fish tank guy. LOL

You have lost all credibility. Please stop conversing with me. Thanks.

 

[jc456]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

so you think people are too stupid huh? just a typical leftist with their constant condescension. what a fking tool

 

[bripat9643]

So aside from 100s of testimonials?

Right, those are not informative.

These "scientists" Cum "activists in labcoats -- lose 100% of their credibility RIGHT HERE in the link..

Please, you are a nonsecientist and the biggest louodmouth of them all. You have less cred. And certainly none of them have less than this Raoult quack.

So again are you going to answer me? Or keep dodging? You’re such a coward.

There are no testimonials, much less 100% of them.
There are people who survived and believe hydroxychloroquine was responsible, when it likely was not.
Hydroxychloroquine by itself is not showing much promise at all.
The only way it is showing promise is as a transport mechanism for other things like zinc or antibiotics, and only seems to help with extreme cases where the harm it can cause no longer matters.

Just ask yourself why should anything be released to the public, when it is only the doctors who understand what and when anything like this can be helpful?

You're wrong, douchebag. We have a recent study of 1061 patients. 91% of them showed significant improvement in less than 24 hours. I don't know why you keep peddling your theory because it's obviously wrong.

 

[Rigby5]

So you think every single one is lying.

Not one of the options I listed was "lying". So i can say I don't think any of them are lying at all, and my response still stands, in its entirety. Goddamn, you're like a child. This is pointless.

If you won't put on your big boy pants for me, put them on for yourself and read this:

“Miracle cure” testimonials aside, azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine probably do not work against COVID-19

Here we go again. Didier Raoult has published another uninformative study looking at the use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat COVID-19. Unfortunately, recent data examining these drugs

sciencebasedmedicine.org

So aside from 100s of testimonials? Again if your loved one was very ill with the COVID-19 would you ask the MD to use it. Yes or no? I 100% would.

No, the indications are that hydroxychloroquine will make it easier for COVID-19 to start an infection if you do not already have one. In fact, hydroxychloroquine is only good if you already have pneumonia, and your immune system is attacking your lungs.
So only a doctor can tell if it will be helpful or harmful in each case.

Ummm, no. Chloroquine inhibits the virus’ ability to replicate itself.

No, that is not true. That is a guess based on using hydroxychloroquine as a transport mechanism to carry zine or other things into cells, to make them more akaline or otherwise less conducive to virus replication. Nothing totally stops virus replication, and anything interfering with virus replication also is harmful to the human cells as well.

Ok, the guy is knowledgeable, but he also clearly said he is running for the Senate.
He is correct that the main harm the COVID-19 does is cause an over reaction of the immune system, and it then starts to attack the lungs, killing the host.
But what he did not say, is that while hydroxychloroquine does effectively reduce the immune system response, that only helps in advanced cases, after the lungs already have been compromised. If you take hydroxychloroquine too early, then there is no need to reduce your immune system response, and by doing so you will actually encourage the COVID-infection to implant more quickly.

So the reality is that hydroxychloroquine can both help and harm, depending on the particular case. So then the public should not be told it is some miracle cure that always works, because then they will incorrectly self medicate, hoard, etc.

 

[bripat9643]

My best wishes to the participants in this study. I hope their hearts are working properly again soon and I hope we continue to try to find cures for this horrible coronavirus.

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications (Published 2020)

A research trial of coronavirus patients in Brazil ended after patients taking a higher dose of chloroquine, one of the drugs President Trump has promoted, developed irregular heart rates.

www.nytimes.com

Yes. If you take drugs at nearly TWICE the recommended dosage, bad things can happen.

It's breathtaking, how truly ghoulish you cretins are. I mean that.

Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine): Side Effects, Uses, Dosage, Interactions, Warnings

Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine) may treat, side effects, dosage, drug interactions, warnings, patient labeling, reviews, and related medications including drug comparison and health resources.

www.rxlist.com

that's not what my sister's doctor said. any amt would kill her.

So now you'll tell us what your sister's underlying medical conditions are. Right?

it wouldn't matter - but it sure seems some people are so desperate to get this thing over with - no matter the rush - so donny will not take any more heat for his total incompetent response we are now #1 in the world for infections & deaths.

And you are desperate to keep it going ??? I don't think that President Trump cares about what you think about him or about how this situation is being exploited by the left for political reason's, so don't be so vane as to think that he does.

lol... it should have never even gotten to this point if not for donny's incompetent handling & willful ignorance regarding this disease. oh & make no mistake - he cares all about ratings.

Spare us. No matter what Trump does, you will attack him for it. That's your election strategy.

spare US. no matter what yer chosen one does, you will praise him for it. that's YOUR election strategy.

Your modus operandi is known. No matter what Trump does, you will attack him. Everyone of your attacks is bogus. Why do you expect any Trump supporter to go along with them? They would have to be as sleazy of a douchebag as you to do that.

Since there is so much hysteria, hoarding, self medication, weirds beliefs, etc., it was dangerous for Trump to be so specific and emotional about hydroxychloroquine. He just should have encouraged with generic helpful things being worked on.

The hysteria is generated by douchebags like you. You can only get the drug by prescription, so self medication isn't an option. The only people "hoarding" it are politicians.

 

[Rigby5]

So aside from 100s of testimonials?

Right, those are not informative.

These "scientists" Cum "activists in labcoats -- lose 100% of their credibility RIGHT HERE in the link..

Please, you are a nonsecientist and the biggest louodmouth of them all. You have less cred. And certainly none of them have less than this Raoult quack.

So again are you going to answer me? Or keep dodging? You’re such a coward.

There are no testimonials, much less 100% of them.
There are people who survived and believe hydroxychloroquine was responsible, when it likely was not.
Hydroxychloroquine by itself is not showing much promise at all.
The only way it is showing promise is as a transport mechanism for other things like zinc or antibiotics, and only seems to help with extreme cases where the harm it can cause no longer matters.

Just ask yourself why should anything be released to the public, when it is only the doctors who understand what and when anything like this can be helpful?

I disagree. It is likely that it WAS. So you're smarter than Dr. Stephen Smith who has treated over 100 with this medicine successfully and it has been released to the public. Millions of doses world wide. You are a consistent negative Nelly and a contrarian. Stop telling me my opinion is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong.

No, Dr. Smith ran no tests at all.
Here is what he did:
{...
Smith, who is treating 72 COVID-19 patients, said that he has been treating "everybody with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin [an antibiotic]. We’ve been doing so for a while.”
...}
Notice first of all he treated "everybody" the same.
That means he had no control group.
He then has no idea if anyone in such a small group would have died at all.
Remember it only has a 1.8% death rate, so one would not expect anyone to die in a group of only 72.
In order to tell what effect any particular drug has, you have to divide into 2 groups, one with and one without, and then compare. He did not do that. So has nothing to base anything on.

Second is that he is only treating people who are already in advances cases and have pneumonia, and it is then not at all surprising that giving antibiotics helps. Of course we should expect antibiotics to help with those who have advanced pneumonia. But that does not allow us to tell if hydroxychloroquine alone helps or not?

Of course opinions can be wrong when they are not based on fact, but instead on emotional reaction. Opinions based on emotions can be wrong but still useful before you have any facts. But once you have the facts, then you are supposed to re-evaluate your opinion to base it on fact instead of emotions.

And it is easy to show why it is wrong to be overly enthusiastic about hydroxychloroquine at this point. One is that already such over confidence has killed one person who over dosed on hydroxychloroquine. Second is that this over confidence is going to cause hoading of hydroxychloroquine, which will harm medical facilities that can actually use it. Third is that since it lowers the immune response of the person, it likely will increase spread if lots of uninfected people start taking it.

Why would he need a control group when it worked on 99% of his patients? He is not running an experiment, he is saving lives. Control group means you let people die.

I already explained that.
The COVID-19 only has a mortality rate of 1.8%.
So working on 99% of his patients is pretty much identical to what you would expect if you gave them just a placebo instead.
It is true that with a control group, you are not doing everything for that small test group you use as a control, but then without a control group, you have no idea if anything you did had any effect at all. The total infection period is only about 2 weeks, and the sever risk period is only about 3 days, so these patients could all just have gotten over it on their own. He and we have no way of knowing.

 

[ding]

So you think every single one is lying.

Not one of the options I listed was "lying". So i can say I don't think any of them are lying at all, and my response still stands, in its entirety. Goddamn, you're like a child. This is pointless.

If you won't put on your big boy pants for me, put them on for yourself and read this:

“Miracle cure” testimonials aside, azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine probably do not work against COVID-19

Here we go again. Didier Raoult has published another uninformative study looking at the use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat COVID-19. Unfortunately, recent data examining these drugs

sciencebasedmedicine.org

So aside from 100s of testimonials? Again if your loved one was very ill with the COVID-19 would you ask the MD to use it. Yes or no? I 100% would.

No, the indications are that hydroxychloroquine will make it easier for COVID-19 to start an infection if you do not already have one. In fact, hydroxychloroquine is only good if you already have pneumonia, and your immune system is attacking your lungs.
So only a doctor can tell if it will be helpful or harmful in each case.

Ummm, no. Chloroquine inhibits the virus’ ability to replicate itself.

No, that is not true. That is a guess based on using hydroxychloroquine as a transport mechanism to carry zine or other things into cells, to make them more akaline or otherwise less conducive to virus replication. Nothing totally stops virus replication, and anything interfering with virus replication also is harmful to the human cells as well.

Didn’t say it totally stops it. It disrupts and inhibits it.

 

[Rigby5]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

so you think people are too stupid huh? just a typical leftist with their constant condescension. what a fking tool

Yes typical people are too stupid.
Because they do not understand the whole mechanisms, they are going to likely take hydroxychloroquine too soon, when it will actually make them sicker instead of healthier.
I think I am smart, but I still would not second guess my doctor, and would do just what he says to do.
So then why even mention hydroxychloroquine to the general public?
The general public has no need to know, because once you tell them, some are going to be harming themselves by self medicating, hoarding, etc.

 

[jc456]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

so you think people are too stupid huh? just a typical leftist with their constant condescension. what a fking tool

Yes typical people are too stupid.
Because they do not understand the whole mechanisms, they are going to likely take hydroxychloroquine too soon, when it will actually make them sicker instead of healthier.
I think I am smart, but I still would not second guess my doctor, and would do just what he says to do.
So then why even mention hydroxychloroquine to the general public?
The general public has no need to know, because once you tell them, some are going to be harming themselves by self medicating, hoarding, etc.

or not. I have faith in mankind and only the stupid like you are alone.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

so you think people are too stupid huh? just a typical leftist with their constant condescension. what a fking tool

Yes typical people are too stupid.
Because they do not understand the whole mechanisms, they are going to likely take hydroxychloroquine too soon, when it will actually make them sicker instead of healthier.
I think I am smart, but I still would not second guess my doctor, and would do just what he says to do.
So then why even mention hydroxychloroquine to the general public?
The general public has no need to know, because once you tell them, some are going to be harming themselves by self medicating, hoarding, etc.

You are long winded and all over the place. Be concise. Be relevant. Make your point. Hydrox works. Unless you have more impressive cred than Dr. Stephen Smith or Dr. Mehmet Oz.

 

[jc456]

So aside from 100s of testimonials?

Right, those are not informative.

These "scientists" Cum "activists in labcoats -- lose 100% of their credibility RIGHT HERE in the link..

Please, you are a nonsecientist and the biggest louodmouth of them all. You have less cred. And certainly none of them have less than this Raoult quack.

So again are you going to answer me? Or keep dodging? You’re such a coward.

There are no testimonials, much less 100% of them.
There are people who survived and believe hydroxychloroquine was responsible, when it likely was not.
Hydroxychloroquine by itself is not showing much promise at all.
The only way it is showing promise is as a transport mechanism for other things like zinc or antibiotics, and only seems to help with extreme cases where the harm it can cause no longer matters.

Just ask yourself why should anything be released to the public, when it is only the doctors who understand what and when anything like this can be helpful?

I disagree. It is likely that it WAS. So you're smarter than Dr. Stephen Smith who has treated over 100 with this medicine successfully and it has been released to the public. Millions of doses world wide. You are a consistent negative Nelly and a contrarian. Stop telling me my opinion is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong.

No, Dr. Smith ran no tests at all.
Here is what he did:
{...
Smith, who is treating 72 COVID-19 patients, said that he has been treating "everybody with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin [an antibiotic]. We’ve been doing so for a while.”
...}
Notice first of all he treated "everybody" the same.
That means he had no control group.
He then has no idea if anyone in such a small group would have died at all.
Remember it only has a 1.8% death rate, so one would not expect anyone to die in a group of only 72.
In order to tell what effect any particular drug has, you have to divide into 2 groups, one with and one without, and then compare. He did not do that. So has nothing to base anything on.

Second is that he is only treating people who are already in advances cases and have pneumonia, and it is then not at all surprising that giving antibiotics helps. Of course we should expect antibiotics to help with those who have advanced pneumonia. But that does not allow us to tell if hydroxychloroquine alone helps or not?

Of course opinions can be wrong when they are not based on fact, but instead on emotional reaction. Opinions based on emotions can be wrong but still useful before you have any facts. But once you have the facts, then you are supposed to re-evaluate your opinion to base it on fact instead of emotions.

And it is easy to show why it is wrong to be overly enthusiastic about hydroxychloroquine at this point. One is that already such over confidence has killed one person who over dosed on hydroxychloroquine. Second is that this over confidence is going to cause hoading of hydroxychloroquine, which will harm medical facilities that can actually use it. Third is that since it lowers the immune response of the person, it likely will increase spread if lots of uninfected people start taking it.

Why would he need a control group when it worked on 99% of his patients? He is not running an experiment, he is saving lives. Control group means you let people die.

I already explained that.
The COVID-19 only has a mortality rate of 1.8%.
So working on 99% of his patients is pretty much identical to what you would expect if you gave them just a placebo instead.
It is true that with a control group, you are not doing everything for that small test group you use as a control, but then without a control group, you have no idea if anything you did had any effect at all. The total infection period is only about 2 weeks, and the sever risk period is only about 3 days, so these patients could all just have gotten over it on their own. He and we have no way of knowing.

boring

 

[jc456]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

so you think people are too stupid huh? just a typical leftist with their constant condescension. what a fking tool

Yes typical people are too stupid.
Because they do not understand the whole mechanisms, they are going to likely take hydroxychloroquine too soon, when it will actually make them sicker instead of healthier.
I think I am smart, but I still would not second guess my doctor, and would do just what he says to do.
So then why even mention hydroxychloroquine to the general public?
The general public has no need to know, because once you tell them, some are going to be harming themselves by self medicating, hoarding, etc.

You are long winded and all over the place. Be concise. Be relevant. Make your point. Hydrox works. Unless you have more impressive cred than Dr. Stephen Smith or Dr. Mehmet Oz.

he thinks he smarter than anyone. it's very obvious.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

we dont have the time for sluggish red tape !

And pouring time and resources into an ineffective treatment, instead of better placing those resources, would be a huge mistake.

nope, makes all the sense in the world. you're just wrong, as usual.

But doing the research to decide if, when, how, and why something might be effective is for experts.
No good at all is done by an emotional release to a hysterical public.
Already one person died because of this, overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.

Who died. Link it! And not that stupid fish tank guy

Much worse than just a fish tank, the guy took enough for a whole fish pond.
That is about a gazillion times more than a body could handle.
But the point is that hydroxychloroquine is readily available to anyone right now, so if you spread rumor of success, then people will self medicate, and many will then die.

As a side interest, Clinton blew up the largest hydroxychloroquine plant in the world.
{...
In 1998, Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan. The country has yet to recover.
efore fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.
...}

so you think people are too stupid huh? just a typical leftist with their constant condescension. what a fking tool

Yes typical people are too stupid.
Because they do not understand the whole mechanisms, they are going to likely take hydroxychloroquine too soon, when it will actually make them sicker instead of healthier.
I think I am smart, but I still would not second guess my doctor, and would do just what he says to do.
So then why even mention hydroxychloroquine to the general public?
The general public has no need to know, because once you tell them, some are going to be harming themselves by self medicating, hoarding, etc.

You are long winded and all over the place. Be concise. Be relevant. Make your point. Hydrox works. Unless you have more impressive cred than Dr. Stephen Smith or Dr. Mehmet Oz.

he thinks he smarter than anyone. it's very obvious.

He is always the same dude that bores people to death. Super long winded and rarely correct.