"I don't like blacks because..."

[MikeK]

There is no such thing as ‘politically correct,’ it’s a myth contrived by the right.

[...]

I am not a right-winger. But I respectfully suggest we saw a textbook example of political correctness in the topic video occurring in the form of strong rebuke of a fellow for doing nothing more than honestly and openly expressing an ethnic bias. The proper response to that fellow's declaration would be to ask why he feels the way does. Instead he was pounced upon and derided for his honesty.

That kind of group behavior occurring repeatedly over time will have a conditioning (brainwash) effect on the retentively suggestible mentality, which includes the majority of Americans. Most people prefer to conform with rather than oppose what appears to be a majority.

You don’t understand.

There is no ‘political correctness’ because private citizens admonishing the inappropriate behavior of other private citizens, absent sanctions by the state or the courts, is neither ‘political’ nor legally ‘corrective.’

Before the advent of civilization human societies functioned in accordance with established and accepted norms of conduct, necessary because there indeed were no governments, courts, or religious institutions.

Members of human societies abiding by these established and accepted norms of conduct is the oldest form of governance, and the most desirable.

Ideally, the state and the courts should be the last venue of societal dispute; private citizens who engage in speech or behavior understood to be inappropriate by private society in general should be prepared to suffer the consequences of that inappropriate behavior.

Legally and Constitutionally the citizen is at liberty to express his racist attitudes free from punitive measures by the state or courts in the context of the public sector; in the private sector, however, no such ‘right’ exists, as Constitutional prohibitions apply only to government entities.

The irony of this, of course, is it reflects conservative jurisprudence, where disputes should first be resolved through the democratic process, as opposed to citizens dashing to the nearest Federal court to file a complaint whenever someone believes they’ve been ‘discriminated against.’ The conservative myth of ‘political correctness’ conflicts with this jurisprudence, where conservatives complain that private citizens admonishing those who engage in inappropriate speech amounts to ‘censorship,’ when in fact it does not.

You are free to rationalize this issue but the fact remains, political correctness is a widely acknowledged social phenomenon.

Here is what Merriam Webster has to say about it:

"Full Definition of POLITICALLY CORRECT:

conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated
Politically correct - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



And this is from Wikipedia:

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term that refers to language, ideas, or policies that address perceived or actual discrimination against or alienation of politically, socially or economically disadvantaged groups. The term usually implies that these social considerations are excessive or of a purely "political" nature. These groups most prominently include those defined by gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation and disability.

Historically, the term was a colloquialism used in the early-to-mid 20th century by Communists and Socialists in political debates, referring pejoratively to the Communist "party line", which provided for "correct" positions on many matters of politics. The term was adopted in the later 20th century by the New Left, applied with a certain humour to condemn sexist or racist conduct as "not politically correct". By the early 1990s, the term was adopted by US conservatives as a pejorative term for all manner of attempts to promote multiculturalism and identity politics, particularly in terms of attempts to introduce new terms that sought to leave behind discriminatory baggage attached to older ones, and conversely to try to make older ones taboo. This phenomenon was driven by a combination of the linguistic turn in academia and the rise of identity politics both inside and outside it. These led to attempts to change social reality by changing language, with attempts at making language more culturally inclusive and gender-neutral. These attempts (associated with the political left) led to a backlash from the right, partly against the attempts to change language, and partly against the underlying identity politics itself. "Political correctness" became a convenient rightwing label for both of these things it rejected. Political correctness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Pennywise]

A lot of American blacks should take heed of what that man was saying, get beyond the shock of someone having the balls to speak freely in this shit PC society, and hear his bone of contention because the attitude that he finds repugnant is pervasive. Even with otherwise friendly and seemingly intelligent blacks, there is often this undercurrent of payback.

I know a variety of minority races and they all will echo what the Islander said. South Americans have less use for American Blacks than they do for food poisoning. It's a shame too, I had the chance to work with a couple brothers recently (real brothers, siblings) and they are as dark as night (no caucasian blood in that line at all) and they were polite hard working men with not an ounce of that shit attitude and it was my pleasure to pay them for their work.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

In fact, it was indeed the business of the members of the panel to admonish him for his inappropriate speech,[...]

What exactly was "inappropriate" about his speech? He said he doesn't like Blacks.

So what?

 

[Mertex]

Gee. Why is he having so much trouble making eye contact.

Most Racist Moment On A Game Show! - YouTube

He was pegged correctly - stupid. He's bought into the generalization that is so prevalent. Claiming that all blacks want something for nothing. So biased and ill informed! Geez! And he's a minority himself, what a sorry ass excuse of a human being.

 

[Mertex]

I think the Polynesian guy really miscalculated. He's been living in an area of the country for a long time where saying, out loud, what he said is accepted, and before that he didn't live in on the mainland. He didn't realize he would be so censured for saying what he said. It isn't political correctness, I agree. As Clayton has pointed out, it is a matter of what is considered, by the majority, to be socially acceptable in our society. It is also, of course racist to say you don't like someone because of their skin color because other people who are also black have behaved badly. It's no different when a European who has mainly dealt with American tourists behaving like buffoons saying they don't like all Americans. It's stereotyping, and if that stereotyping is based on race, it's racist.

I think he said he was from Texas, and maybe in some parts of Texas that I'm not familiar with, it is acceptable to say something so racist, but no, not in metropolitan areas like SA, Dallas, Houston, it would not be acceptable and he would be criticized.

The only place I've ever heard people be openly racist has been Alabama (not saying that is the only place that does it, but that I've heard it) and then, it is only very yahoo people that stoop that low, most of the more educated only say it to people they think will agree with them. I didn't agree with them, but I'm sure they thought I would, and I heard many racist comments.

 

[Mertex]

Gee. Why is he having so much trouble making eye contact.

Most Racist Moment On A Game Show! - YouTube

Likely because he’s from Texas…

That's not true. I'm from Texas and most people know better. Texas is not like Ala, Miss or Louisiana.

 

[Mertex]

What did he say that wasn't true? What I find Offensive is the attack on him for stating his beliefs and defending them. He was asked a question and he answered it. That panel had no business ganging up on him.

Last I checked we are free to have our own opinions and free to express them. And the dude that went on about it being offensive, he did not refute anything that was said.

Yes, you are free to have your own opinions and free to express them, but to "hate" someone because of the color of their skin (which they had no choice in), is rather stupid. Why does the color of someone's skin cause you to hate them? That is ignorant and born from a lack of intelligence and self esteem in a person.

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is no such thing as ‘politically correct,’ it’s a myth contrived by the right.

[...]

I am not a right-winger. But I respectfully suggest we saw a textbook example of political correctness in the topic video occurring in the form of strong rebuke of a fellow for doing nothing more than honestly and openly expressing an ethnic bias. The proper response to that fellow's declaration would be to ask why he feels the way does. Instead he was pounced upon and derided for his honesty.

That kind of group behavior occurring repeatedly over time will have a conditioning (brainwash) effect on the retentively suggestible mentality, which includes the majority of Americans. Most people prefer to conform with rather than oppose what appears to be a majority.

You don’t understand.

There is no ‘political correctness’ because private citizens admonishing the inappropriate behavior of other private citizens, absent sanctions by the state or the courts, is neither ‘political’ nor legally ‘corrective.’

Before the advent of civilization human societies functioned in accordance with established and accepted norms of conduct, necessary because there indeed were no governments, courts, or religious institutions.

Members of human societies abiding by these established and accepted norms of conduct is the oldest form of governance, and the most desirable.

Ideally, the state and the courts should be the last venue of societal dispute; private citizens who engage in speech or behavior understood to be inappropriate by private society in general should be prepared to suffer the consequences of that inappropriate behavior.

Legally and Constitutionally the citizen is at liberty to express his racist attitudes free from punitive measures by the state or courts in the context of the public sector; in the private sector, however, no such ‘right’ exists, as Constitutional prohibitions apply only to government entities.

The irony of this, of course, is it reflects conservative jurisprudence, where disputes should first be resolved through the democratic process, as opposed to citizens dashing to the nearest Federal court to file a complaint whenever someone believes they’ve been ‘discriminated against.’ The conservative myth of ‘political correctness’ conflicts with this jurisprudence, where conservatives complain that private citizens admonishing those who engage in inappropriate speech amounts to ‘censorship,’ when in fact it does not.

there is no "Political Correctness?".....you are too far left to see it asshole....the Far Left were the group that started all that shit.....

 

[Mertex]

I didn't get that from his statement. I got that he has a problem with blacks in HIS personal experience. Judging the guy's pic on the wall and not wanting to vote for him or whatever that show was due to his being black...that was a bit unfair. However, he is entitled to vote however he wishes and it was not the panel's business to gang up on him due to his opinion. They ALL choose whomever for whatever the show is about. Were the other on the panel picked at due to their choices? Probably not.

Gracie, you need to go back and listen to the video again. He said, "I don't like him because he is black".

And most reasonable people will find it offensive that someone can be so shallow as to not like someone because of the color of their skin. He is entitled to his vote, and he is entitled to not like blacks, true, but so are the people on the panel entitled to call him on it and tell him what they think of people like him. They are racist and they need to own it.

 

[Synthaholic]

What did he say that wasn't true? What I find Offensive is the attack on him for stating his beliefs and defending them. He was asked a question and he answered it. That panel had no business ganging up on him.

Last I checked we are free to have our own opinions and free to express them.

But the other guests aren't free to express their own opinions?

Why do you wingnuts want to limit other people's freedom of speech?

And the dude that went on about it being offensive, he did not refute anything that was said.

You can't refute an opinion, but you can criticize it as being racist.

 

[MikeK]

Yes, you are free to have your own opinions and free to express them, but to "hate" someone because of the color of their skin (which they had no choice in), is rather stupid.

First, Black people aren't black. Nor are White people white. So skin color is not the primary determinant of ethnicity. Black and White when used in a social context are ethnic categories, not colors.

Why does the color of someone's skin cause you to hate them? That is ignorant and born from a lack of intelligence and self esteem in a person.

Did the Polynesian in the video say he hates Blacks, or did he say he doesn't like them? Do you acknowledge a difference in the two dispositions?

And do you suppose it might be more constructive to engage in Socratic dialogue with that fellow than to simply denounce him as you have done and to exaggerate the severity of his comments? If you believe you have sound, logical arguments you might be able to make him see things more clearly and possibly alter his thinking.

 

[Synthaholic]

The funny thing is that the wingnuts in this thread are the ones who hate foreigners coming into this country, taking the White Man's jobs, including brown Polynesians.

 

[Tank]

The guy dose not like the attitude that most blacks have, and if you don't know what that attitude is, then you don't know black people

 

[bodecea]

But the guy in the video is implying that skin color is the problem. And the world should be past that by now.

It's not skin color, it's the way the people with that skin color behave

Remember the story of 'the good Samaritan' in the Bible? Samaritans were half breeds, children of Jews who had married with slaves. They were separated and looked down upon because of their connection to the slave class. Having one of them do a good deed, might not have been out of the ordinary, but it would have been out of the ordinary for a member of the despised slave class to help a full blooded Jew.

That's not what Samaritans were.

 

[MonaGonna]

A lot of blacks simply hate whitey and his crackers. I think it's probably jealousy/they don't like being black.

 

[KissMy]

Gee. Why is he having so much trouble making eye contact.

Most Racist Moment On A Game Show! - YouTube

If you watch the entire show you will see that this "racist" man votes to give the black man the prize money. Your clip was his first impression. He is also right about affirmative action being a racist law. All the white guys were the first to get voted off.

Without Prejudice (part 1)
Without Prejudice (part 2)

 

[Gracie]

Most don't watch part two or part three, Kissmy. Shame, isn't it?

 

[Huey]

Wow you like low gravity,well I think he's a "douche bag".LOL

 

[BDBoop]

Uh, if he has a right to say what he thinks, the rest of the panel has a right to say what they think.

Of course they have an equal right to express their opinions. That right is not challenged. The issue is the manner in which they responded to the Polynesian's candid but calm and matter-of-fact declaration.

The one girl reacted as if he'd said he likes to molest children. And the Black fellow became almost ghetto confrontational. When all that was called for was a calm, civil, hopefully constructive Q&A on the Polynesian's disposition toward Blacks -- which he has a right to hold.

That there were more of them than him doesn't indicate they ganged up on him but that the majority of people in the US would not agree with him.

I think they did metaphorically gang up on him by offhandedly denouncing his position without the courtesy of examining its validity. What they said to him in effect was, you are wrong! Period.

As for the "majority of people in the U.S." not agreeing with him; do you mean openly or in the depth of their being? Because as an old White man who knows and has known many other White people, let me assure you that while a significant percentage of those Whites who will openly claim to be racially unbiased might have convinced themselves it's true, the fact is it isn't. They aren't lying. They simply have conformed with the current trend and have adopted a disposition which government policy, the media, and Madison Avenue have convinced them is politically correct.

They also believe in American Exceptionalism.

As if he molested children? No, she didn't. She reacted as most of us react when someone says something we perceive to be completely irrational, and that would be "I don't like him because he's black."

No, don't know him. Not at all. I just don't like him because of the color of his skin. It don't matter if he's a professional man, blue collar or a man of the cloth. He's black. End of conversation.

 

[BDBoop]

Gee. Why is he having so much trouble making eye contact.

Most Racist Moment On A Game Show! - YouTube

If you watch the entire show you will see that this "racist" man votes to give the black man the prize money. Your clip was his first impression. He is also right about affirmative action being a racist law. All the white guys were the first to get voted off.

Without Prejudice (part 1)
Without Prejudice (part 2)

Yeah. I posted that many, many posts ago.