I don't understand why republicans reject both a minimum wage hike and welfare for the poor

[Andylusion]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

 

[Andylusion]

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER. Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it doesn't. Why are you repeating yourself, when it doesn't make a point? Is this forest gump on here??? "But no one is claiming that!" Doesn't matter! "But no one said $25/hr" So what???

DOES THE MINIMUM WAGE HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR NOT? Can you grasp that? Is this concept too hard? You need a middle school remedial class or what???

YES.... OR NO..... ? If "NO" then why not make the minimum wage $25/hr? Are you against people earning more money??

Can you figure this out? Do you need help?

And NO, the increase in consumer spending would not create any jobs lost. It hasn't!!! Did you miss 2009? Why didn't the increase in consumer spending from the higher minimum wage fix all the job loss?

Greece didn't have a huge increase in consumer spending that created jobs that were lost. France didn't. American Samoa didn't. NEVER! It has NEVER HAPPENED.

You are just flat out wrong. YOU ARE WRONG. >>WRONG<< The facts are not on your side. You spewing more anti-intellectual bull crap. Just make up the leftard myths. "Magically all the extra spending will create jobs".... Doesn't happen.

 

[Andylusion]

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

Just stop the BS. You said that GDP increased every time the minimum wage went up. I proved you WRONG. YOU ARE WRONG.

>WRONG< You are wrong, and have proven to be wrong. If you can't admit that, then you are too childish to talk to.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Typical liberal/progressive. Believes everything the government tells him is the gospel..
Once again, if you have not operated or owned a business you have no clue.

You do realize this site is citing independent studies and polls of actual business owners right?

which ones?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

Incorrect

 

[thereisnospoon]

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

Just a minute. You are claiming the min wage increases GDP..So why not increase to $50?
Because.......you are wrong

 

[BluesLegend]

Because they want the super rich to have it all.

That's not possible, inheritance tax heard of it? Duh! Even with the trillions in wealth redistribution already going on you leftist socialist pukes want to steal even more from the people worked to earn it.

You are so thick. You live in a fantasy land. All i am talking about is raising the minimum wage. THAT'S IT. The wealthy will still be wealthy. The world will keep turning. Capitalism will thrive you ass.

LIke I said..Open a business...Pay your wage. Otherwise, you don't get to have a say

These airhead libs don't have a clue. I guess stock holders should just eat the cost, in the interest of fairness. /sarcasm

 

[Billy000]

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER. Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it doesn't. Why are you repeating yourself, when it doesn't make a point? Is this forest gump on here??? "But no one is claiming that!" Doesn't matter! "But no one said $25/hr" So what???

DOES THE MINIMUM WAGE HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR NOT? Can you grasp that? Is this concept too hard? You need a middle school remedial class or what???

YES.... OR NO..... ? If "NO" then why not make the minimum wage $25/hr? Are you against people earning more money??

Can you figure this out? Do you need help?

And NO, the increase in consumer spending would not create any jobs lost. It hasn't!!! Did you miss 2009? Why didn't the increase in consumer spending from the higher minimum wage fix all the job loss?

Greece didn't have a huge increase in consumer spending that created jobs that were lost. France didn't. American Samoa didn't. NEVER! It has NEVER HAPPENED.

You are just flat out wrong. YOU ARE WRONG. >>WRONG<< The facts are not on your side. You spewing more anti-intellectual bull crap. Just make up the leftard myths. "Magically all the extra spending will create jobs".... Doesn't happen.

Lol so the fact that 200 economists, 7 of which are Nobel Prize winners, think raising the minmumum wage would be beneficial to the economy makes no never mind to you?

In 2009 we had consistent job growth. I have no idea what you are talking about. Ever since June of 2009, job growth steadily increased and is still increasing. Obama's stimulus alone increased GDP by 2%. However, I don't think the raising the wage had much to do with this. This was due to other factors. The truth is that the minumum wage has not been significantly raised during those times. 10.10 would raise the wages of 18 million people. This isn't hard to grasp: bigger paychecks means more consumer spending which means more economic growth.

 

[Billy000]

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

Just stop the BS. You said that GDP increased every time the minimum wage went up. I proved you WRONG. YOU ARE WRONG.

>WRONG< You are wrong, and have proven to be wrong. If you can't admit that, then you are too childish to talk to.

No you did nothing to prove me wrong. I was simply stating correlation. I don't believe the previous increases did much for the economy. They were too small. I am simply pointing out that the raises did not harm the economy. You are very much wrong about 2009. From June 2009 on, job growth steadily increased. It still is.

 

[ScienceRocks]

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

Just stop the BS. You said that GDP increased every time the minimum wage went up. I proved you WRONG. YOU ARE WRONG.

>WRONG< You are wrong, and have proven to be wrong. If you can't admit that, then you are too childish to talk to.

No you did nothing to prove me wrong. I was simply stating correlation. I don't believe the previous increases did much for the economy. They were too small. I am simply pointing out that the raises did not harm the economy. You are very much wrong about 2009. From June 2009 on, job growth steadily increased. It still is.

Most of the money want to pay for the tax breaks. Most of the rest went to unemployment! Very little went to infrastructure, science, r&d and education.

Why are those 4 always getting fucked?

 

[Andylusion]

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER. Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it doesn't. Why are you repeating yourself, when it doesn't make a point? Is this forest gump on here??? "But no one is claiming that!" Doesn't matter! "But no one said $25/hr" So what???

DOES THE MINIMUM WAGE HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR NOT? Can you grasp that? Is this concept too hard? You need a middle school remedial class or what???

YES.... OR NO..... ? If "NO" then why not make the minimum wage $25/hr? Are you against people earning more money??

Can you figure this out? Do you need help?

And NO, the increase in consumer spending would not create any jobs lost. It hasn't!!! Did you miss 2009? Why didn't the increase in consumer spending from the higher minimum wage fix all the job loss?

Greece didn't have a huge increase in consumer spending that created jobs that were lost. France didn't. American Samoa didn't. NEVER! It has NEVER HAPPENED.

You are just flat out wrong. YOU ARE WRONG. >>WRONG<< The facts are not on your side. You spewing more anti-intellectual bull crap. Just make up the leftard myths. "Magically all the extra spending will create jobs".... Doesn't happen.

Lol so the fact that 200 economists, 7 of which are Nobel Prize winners, think raising the minmumum wage would be beneficial to the economy makes no never mind to you?

In 2009 we had consistent job growth. I have no idea what you are talking about. Ever since June of 2009, job growth steadily increased and is still increasing. Obama's stimulus alone increased GDP by 2%. However, I don't think the raising the wage had much to do with this. This was due to other factors. The truth is that the minumum wage has not been significantly raised during those times. 10.10 would raise the wages of 18 million people. This isn't hard to grasp: bigger paychecks means more consumer spending which means more economic growth.

You keep repeating that.... but it hasn't. I'll take the facts over your pointy headed economists any day. All the economists in Greece said the minimum wage would spur the economy. Instead, it killed jobs, and led to a crisis.

All the economists said it would spur the economy of American Samoa, and instead it led to high unemployment and damaged their economy.

All the economists said it would help the entire country, and in 2008-2009, it damaged the country.

Your economists have been wrong consistently for decades. Yes, all the 'words' and 'papers' you can cough up, lose out to reality.

 

[The Rabbi]

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

If it only affects 3% of the population then what possible benefit could there be raising it?
Again, if 10/hr is good, why is 50/hr not better? You cannot answer this so you deflect. Because you are Billy Triple Fail.

 

[The Rabbi]

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER. Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it doesn't. Why are you repeating yourself, when it doesn't make a point? Is this forest gump on here??? "But no one is claiming that!" Doesn't matter! "But no one said $25/hr" So what???

DOES THE MINIMUM WAGE HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR NOT? Can you grasp that? Is this concept too hard? You need a middle school remedial class or what???

YES.... OR NO..... ? If "NO" then why not make the minimum wage $25/hr? Are you against people earning more money??

Can you figure this out? Do you need help?

And NO, the increase in consumer spending would not create any jobs lost. It hasn't!!! Did you miss 2009? Why didn't the increase in consumer spending from the higher minimum wage fix all the job loss?

Greece didn't have a huge increase in consumer spending that created jobs that were lost. France didn't. American Samoa didn't. NEVER! It has NEVER HAPPENED.

You are just flat out wrong. YOU ARE WRONG. >>WRONG<< The facts are not on your side. You spewing more anti-intellectual bull crap. Just make up the leftard myths. "Magically all the extra spending will create jobs".... Doesn't happen.

Lol so the fact that 200 economists, 7 of which are Nobel Prize winners, think raising the minmumum wage would be beneficial to the economy makes no never mind to you?

In 2009 we had consistent job growth. I have no idea what you are talking about. Ever since June of 2009, job growth steadily increased and is still increasing. Obama's stimulus alone increased GDP by 2%. However, I don't think the raising the wage had much to do with this. This was due to other factors. The truth is that the minumum wage has not been significantly raised during those times. 10.10 would raise the wages of 18 million people. This isn't hard to grasp: bigger paychecks means more consumer spending which means more economic growth.

You keep repeating that.... but it hasn't. I'll take the facts over your pointy headed economists any day. All the economists in Greece said the minimum wage would spur the economy. Instead, it killed jobs, and led to a crisis.

All the economists said it would spur the economy of American Samoa, and instead it led to high unemployment and damaged their economy.

All the economists said it would help the entire country, and in 2008-2009, it damaged the country.

Your economists have been wrong consistently for decades. Yes, all the 'words' and 'papers' you can cough up, lose out to reality.

The advantage of economists is that they make fortune tellers look good. -Warren Buffet

 

[Andylusion]

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

Just stop the BS. You said that GDP increased every time the minimum wage went up. I proved you WRONG. YOU ARE WRONG.

>WRONG< You are wrong, and have proven to be wrong. If you can't admit that, then you are too childish to talk to.

No you did nothing to prove me wrong. I was simply stating correlation. I don't believe the previous increases did much for the economy. They were too small. I am simply pointing out that the raises did not harm the economy. You are very much wrong about 2009. From June 2009 on, job growth steadily increased. It still is.

Most of the money want to pay for the tax breaks. Most of the rest went to unemployment! Very little went to infrastructure, science, r&d and education.

Why are those 4 always getting fucked?

Greece spent billions on infrastructure..... they had a great public transportation system which allowed people to leave the country.

Infrastructure spending doesn't fix the economy. Never has, never will.

We spend more on education than nearly any other country IN THE WORLD. Blow more money on bad education will solve nothing. And having educated people with no jobs, is not a solution.

You take money away from the people who create jobs, and think that not having a job is going to be solved by education? Prior to the 1990s, India spent billions on education, and so they had highly educated engineers running around working at food shops, because there were no jobs. That's why we had engineering departments all over America filled with Indian Engineers.

R&D and Science..... I worked for a company that canceled their R&D project, because we found out we could have the government fund it.... and they did. My former CEO thanks you. You keep paying your taxes, and making him wealthy. He loves his new sports car very much. So thank you very much.

 

[The Rabbi]

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

Just stop the BS. You said that GDP increased every time the minimum wage went up. I proved you WRONG. YOU ARE WRONG.

>WRONG< You are wrong, and have proven to be wrong. If you can't admit that, then you are too childish to talk to.

No you did nothing to prove me wrong. I was simply stating correlation. I don't believe the previous increases did much for the economy. They were too small. I am simply pointing out that the raises did not harm the economy. You are very much wrong about 2009. From June 2009 on, job growth steadily increased. It still is.

Most of the money want to pay for the tax breaks. Most of the rest went to unemployment! Very little went to infrastructure, science, r&d and education.

Why are those 4 always getting fucked?

Greece spent billions on infrastructure..... they had a great public transportation system which allowed people to leave the country.

Infrastructure spending doesn't fix the economy. Never has, never will.

We spend more on education than nearly any other country IN THE WORLD. Blow more money on bad education will solve nothing. And having educated people with no jobs, is not a solution.

You take money away from the people who create jobs, and think that not having a job is going to be solved by education? Prior to the 1990s, India spent billions on education, and so they had highly educated engineers running around working at food shops, because there were no jobs. That's why we had engineering departments all over America filled with Indian Engineers.

R&D and Science..... I worked for a company that canceled their R&D project, because we found out we could have the government fund it.... and they did. My former CEO thanks you. You keep paying your taxes, and making him wealthy. He loves his new sports car very much. So thank you very much.

Matthew is an odious little troll. I figure about 17 years old, so he knows everything.
Yes, the Soviet Union (which he doesnt remember) spent huge amounts on R&D. They're dead.
The Japanese have rolled out infrastructure after infrastructure project for 20 years. All they've gotten are bridges to nowhere and high government debt.
And as you point out, we spend plenty on education. Yet the results suck.

 

[Billy000]

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

If it only affects 3% of the population then what possible benefit could there be raising it?
Again, if 10/hr is good, why is 50/hr not better? You cannot answer this so you deflect. Because you are Billy Triple Fail.

You moron. 18 million people make less than 10.10. It would obviously benefit more than just the 3% on the federal.

 

[Billy000]

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

But see you are being intellectually inconsistent.

Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it does not. That's all there is to it. Either it has no negative effect, or it does.

So if, as all these screwballs on here claim, we have all these reports and they don't show a negative effect.... then why stop at $10? Or $11? Or $15 or $20? I want to earn $25/hr. I'd love to earn some real money. Are you saying working people don't deserve fair compensation? Are you an elitist left-winger who looks down on the working class? Snob!!!!!

So let's have a $25/hr minimum wage. Of course the key is, you know there is a negative effect. You know it, all these leftards know it, the people who wrote those government reports know it. Everyone knows it.

Again, I was there. I was at McDonald when the minimum wage went up, and I watched them lay people off.

Lol you are such an idiot. No one is suggesting we raise the minimum wage that high. In fact, raising wage is based on a timeline. Obama's plan would have raised it over two years. This would give the market time to respond. Not only that, but the increase in consumer spending would create any jobs lost and more.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER. Either the minimum wage has a negative effect, or it doesn't. Why are you repeating yourself, when it doesn't make a point? Is this forest gump on here??? "But no one is claiming that!" Doesn't matter! "But no one said $25/hr" So what???

DOES THE MINIMUM WAGE HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT OR NOT? Can you grasp that? Is this concept too hard? You need a middle school remedial class or what???

YES.... OR NO..... ? If "NO" then why not make the minimum wage $25/hr? Are you against people earning more money??

Can you figure this out? Do you need help?

And NO, the increase in consumer spending would not create any jobs lost. It hasn't!!! Did you miss 2009? Why didn't the increase in consumer spending from the higher minimum wage fix all the job loss?

Greece didn't have a huge increase in consumer spending that created jobs that were lost. France didn't. American Samoa didn't. NEVER! It has NEVER HAPPENED.

You are just flat out wrong. YOU ARE WRONG. >>WRONG<< The facts are not on your side. You spewing more anti-intellectual bull crap. Just make up the leftard myths. "Magically all the extra spending will create jobs".... Doesn't happen.

Lol so the fact that 200 economists, 7 of which are Nobel Prize winners, think raising the minmumum wage would be beneficial to the economy makes no never mind to you?

In 2009 we had consistent job growth. I have no idea what you are talking about. Ever since June of 2009, job growth steadily increased and is still increasing. Obama's stimulus alone increased GDP by 2%. However, I don't think the raising the wage had much to do with this. This was due to other factors. The truth is that the minumum wage has not been significantly raised during those times. 10.10 would raise the wages of 18 million people. This isn't hard to grasp: bigger paychecks means more consumer spending which means more economic growth.

You keep repeating that.... but it hasn't. I'll take the facts over your pointy headed economists any day. All the economists in Greece said the minimum wage would spur the economy. Instead, it killed jobs, and led to a crisis.

All the economists said it would spur the economy of American Samoa, and instead it led to high unemployment and damaged their economy.

All the economists said it would help the entire country, and in 2008-2009, it damaged the country.

Your economists have been wrong consistently for decades. Yes, all the 'words' and 'papers' you can cough up, lose out to reality.

Lol "all the economists"? Your source is rightwing bullshit website citing minimum wage increases outside of the US that don't actually give any real wage amounts and provide a quote from one person.

 

[The Rabbi]

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

Lol you're talking about federal minimum wage which affects 3% of the population. There is no way that would have been the reason for the change in GDP.

If it only affects 3% of the population then what possible benefit could there be raising it?
Again, if 10/hr is good, why is 50/hr not better? You cannot answer this so you deflect. Because you are Billy Triple Fail.

You moron. 18 million people make less than 10.10. It would obviously benefit more than just the 3% on the federal.

So it is mroe than 3% of the population making min wage, which contradicts your earlier statement.
OR
It is only a small number who are affected, which contradicts your second statement.
Which is it, Billy Triple Fail? Did you lie the first time or the second time? OR are you trying for "Billy Quadruple Fail"?