I don't understand why republicans reject both a minimum wage hike and welfare for the poor

[thereisnospoon]

Mexico of the 1940's - 1980's is the perfect republican society. The one percent controlled most of the wealth.

Tax cuts for the rich have failed and have turned our country into what it is today...Huge poor and small super rich.

Face palm.....What is your problem?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Hell yes.

They stayed in school, got educated, got a marketable skill, didn't have a bunch of kids they couldn't afford and you want to reward those who did none of these things just because they breath. Bullshit.

You repubs have such one track minds. Yes obviously many single women have children that they shouldn't have had, but why don't you ever think of the kids? Should those kids grow up in poverty because of their irresponsible mother? They need public support if there aren't higher wages available.

Should we have had a welfare system that encouraged single women to have multiple children? That's what we've been doing for much of the last thirty years. How's that been working out? Are the kid's of the poor better off now than they were before our entitlement society?

What the fuck? Nothing about this system encourages women to have multiple children. Are you that dense? You're talking about $152 billion a year. A sum of money that mostly feeds kids who would starve otherwise you dip. The mother is not fucking profiting off of it Christ's sakes. What they actually get is fucking peanuts. They are dirt poor government help or none, It's madness the way you people bitch about this, Why dont you people freak out about the ridiculous amount we spend on defense?

Actually you're wrong. The system indeed does pay more per child.
Defense spending is a Constitutional requirement.
Paying able bodied people to sit on their asses and do nothing is not.
You are missing an opportunity here. That is to start writing checks.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I already explained this to you as well as in my OP. The price increase would be small in comparison to the boost in consumer spending, Something at McDoanld's would go up 15 cents while the customer would much more to spend on the menu because he makes a couple hundred more a month.. And like I said, the raise would be gradual over a few years. That gives the market time to respond to it.

Oldstyle

Right. Unless you have owned a business, you have no clue.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Its yet another troll thread from billy triple fail.
Hey, Billy. Min wage increases lock out those at the bottom of the job ladder from ever getting jobs. You cannot pay 10/hr to someone only worth 5/hr. Check unemployment rates for black teenagers compared to min wage increases. They rise in direct proportion. Min wage is racist and it keeps people poor. Like most liberal policies.

Billy argues for higher wages for low/no skill workers. But he won't pay up. He won't pay it forward. No. He just demands others pay up

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Its yet another troll thread from billy triple fail.
Hey, Billy. Min wage increases lock out those at the bottom of the job ladder from ever getting jobs. You cannot pay 10/hr to someone only worth 5/hr. Check unemployment rates for black teenagers compared to min wage increases. They rise in direct proportion. Min wage is racist and it keeps people poor. Like most liberal policies.

Billy argues for higher wages for low/no skill workers. But he won't pay up. He won't pay it forward. No. He just demands others pay up

The matter is inflation and productivity. The minimum wage has not kept up with either for decades now. That is why it is a problem.

 

[dblack]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Its yet another troll thread from billy triple fail.
Hey, Billy. Min wage increases lock out those at the bottom of the job ladder from ever getting jobs. You cannot pay 10/hr to someone only worth 5/hr. Check unemployment rates for black teenagers compared to min wage increases. They rise in direct proportion. Min wage is racist and it keeps people poor. Like most liberal policies.

Billy argues for higher wages for low/no skill workers. But he won't pay up. He won't pay it forward. No. He just demands others pay up

The matter is inflation and productivity. The minimum wage has not kept up with either for decades now. That is why it is a problem.

Billy, do you think there are any jobs that aren't worth a living wage?

 

[The Rabbi]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Oh yeah Dept of Labor in the Obozo Administration. There's an unbiased source.
In fact look at UE rates for teenagers. They have been climbing with every increase in MW. There's a reason for that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Typical liberal/progressive. Believes everything the government tells him is the gospel..
Once again, if you have not operated or owned a business you have no clue.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Typical liberal/progressive. Believes everything the government tells him is the gospel..
Once again, if you have not operated or owned a business you have no clue.

You do realize this site is citing independent studies and polls of actual business owners right?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Its yet another troll thread from billy triple fail.
Hey, Billy. Min wage increases lock out those at the bottom of the job ladder from ever getting jobs. You cannot pay 10/hr to someone only worth 5/hr. Check unemployment rates for black teenagers compared to min wage increases. They rise in direct proportion. Min wage is racist and it keeps people poor. Like most liberal policies.

Billy argues for higher wages for low/no skill workers. But he won't pay up. He won't pay it forward. No. He just demands others pay up

The matter is inflation and productivity. The minimum wage has not kept up with either for decades now. That is why it is a problem.

How is an increase in productivity a problem?
And you can forget about inflation. That argument just doesn't wash.
If you want to open that door, the fact is anytime the economy is flooded with additional cash, inflation results.
An artificial increase in wages would cause price hikes as business will pass the additional cost of labor to the end user.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Its yet another troll thread from billy triple fail.
Hey, Billy. Min wage increases lock out those at the bottom of the job ladder from ever getting jobs. You cannot pay 10/hr to someone only worth 5/hr. Check unemployment rates for black teenagers compared to min wage increases. They rise in direct proportion. Min wage is racist and it keeps people poor. Like most liberal policies.

Billy argues for higher wages for low/no skill workers. But he won't pay up. He won't pay it forward. No. He just demands others pay up

The matter is inflation and productivity. The minimum wage has not kept up with either for decades now. That is why it is a problem.

How is an increase in productivity a problem?
And you can forget about inflation. That argument just doesn't wash.
If you want to open that door, the fact is anytime the economy is flooded with additional cash, inflation results.
An artificial increase in wages would cause price hikes as business will pass the additional cost of labor to the end user.

How do you not understand inflation? The last time someone could live comfortably off 10 per hour was the 60s. I never said productivity was a problem. I am saying it has doubled in the last century yet wages have remained flat.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Oh yeah Dept of Labor in the Obozo Administration. There's an unbiased source.
In fact look at UE rates for teenagers. They have been climbing with every increase in MW. There's a reason for that.

You're a moron if you think Obama controls what this department releases. The sources of the article speak for themselves regardless. Man up and accept the truth.

 

[Andylusion]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Oh yeah Dept of Labor in the Obozo Administration. There's an unbiased source.
In fact look at UE rates for teenagers. They have been climbing with every increase in MW. There's a reason for that.

You're a moron if you think Obama controls what this department releases. The sources of the article speak for themselves regardless. Man up and accept the truth.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Lol first of all, no one is suggesting we raise the wage by $25, Second, you are comparing other nation's to ours on the subject which is fallacy.

 

[Billy000]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

 

[Andylusion]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

I would expect that. Why would it not? GDP grew in China, even while the average income was under $2 a day pre-78. Bad policies can screw over the lowest working people... and still have a growing GDP.

However, what you claim is not true.

GDP fell in 2008 and 2009. What happened in 2008? The minimum wage went up to $6.55. What happened in 2009? The minimum wage went up to $7.25.

So the fact is, you are wrong.

 

[The Rabbi]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

Oh yeah Dept of Labor in the Obozo Administration. There's an unbiased source.
In fact look at UE rates for teenagers. They have been climbing with every increase in MW. There's a reason for that.

You're a moron if you think Obama controls what this department releases. The sources of the article speak for themselves regardless. Man up and accept the truth.

You're a moron if you think Obama's positions are not reflected in the works of those subordinate to him
Actually you're a moron either way. Because you are "Billy Triple Fail" most failed poster on USMB.

 

[The Rabbi]

Believe it or not, both the left and the right want to end welfare for the poor. The left just has a realistic and humane way of doing it.

$153 billion of public assistance is spent on people because of their low wage jobs. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than $15? If the minimum was raised to $10.10, republicans are to stupid/immature to realize that far less people would be eligible for programs like food stamps. It would dramatically fix the fucking problem of the poor on welfare!

Like it or not, $15 as a minimum wage would be a base wage kept up with the rate of inflation. The last time someone could live comfortably off 10.10 per hour was the fucking 60s. Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs.

As long as it was gradually raised over a couple of years, the initial cost to the market would be minimized. Prices would go up, but not nearly enough to offset the consumer spending power created by it. Consumer spending would boom. The market would begin to create jobs. Way more than the jobs that would have been scrapped initially. Prices would also go down.

Look the only reason most (not all) CEOs are against raising wages is because it just easier to for them to keep the ridiculous money they make rather than invest in a strong labor force. The average CEO makes over 300x what the average worker makes. Sure we can all agree CEOs deserve a wealthy life for all their hard work, but do you really think they deserve 300x more?

Hell no.

Because 60% of the labor force is employed by small business, most of which operate as sole proprietorships and and limited partnerships, also operate on thin profit margins.
Such an increase would put many on the brink or even out of business. In either case, such an increase would cause the loss of many jobs.
Here is another aspect of this. As the base wage increases, so must other wages. Skilled people would not agree to being left out. Especially in lower wage regions of the country.
So if a person an electrician is making say $18 per hour in Florida has a couple helpers making $10 per hour. Suddenly those workers which were one making 55% of the top wage are now making 80% of the top wage. That with no appreciable increase in education or level of skill. Ask yourself how the top guy is going to react....Do you think he is going to accept the fact that he is now making barely above the min wage? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be demanding my pay be increased accordingly. And if you think that same scenario would not be repeated across the country, you're not thinking this through.
Here's the thing.. If you are not willing to open your own business and pay the wage you believe appropriate, then you have no say in the matter because you are not spending YOUR money. You are spending other people's money.
"Since the recession, low wage jobs out number higher wage jobs. That means MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have no choice but to accept low wage jobs."...
Genius.. Lower wage jobs have ALWAYS outnumbered higher wage jobs.
And non one is forced to remain in a low wage job. That's a choice made by each person.....Don't tell us there is nothing that can be done. That is not true.

As usual you are parroting myths about this subject. Please read the following:

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

It's amazing how much common sense is disregarded in favor of a government report.

If the minimum wage was applied directly to you, you would grasp this instinctively. You hire someone to mow your lawn for $25 a mow, and the government steps in and says the minimum lawn mowing wage is $50 a mow, you'd grasp that it's not worth it to pay someone to do that.

In every country with high minimum wages, people lose their jobs, and youth unemployment is nearly double what it is in the US.

Switzerland Strikes Down What Would Have Been World s Highest Minimum Wage - US News

Switzerland shot down the living wages, and ironically cited exactly that it would killl jobs.

Norway has no minimum wage at all.

Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation, and the job losses were so bad, they had to revoke the inflation adjustment, and cut the minimum wage down.

Over and over and over, every time the minimum wage is levied, people lose their jobs.

Imposed minimum wage hikes hurt economies in American Samoa Northern Mariana Islands - Washington Times

American Samoa was crippled, with drastically increased prices, and high unemployment, all thanks to 'do-gooders' pushing the minimum wage.

How many times does the truth have to be splashed all over this forum, before all your little reports, and meaningless papers, and government statements are shown false? At one point does reality trump intellectual non-sense?

Also, GDP grew steadily in all cases of the minimum wage being raised in this country's history.

So let's raise it to $50/hr and watch GDP soar!